nationstate was not a very visible image. union was the new idea that was supported for a host of reasons with the european powers and as i said as part of the empire i believe the american nationstate instructed afterwards from all of these conflicts developed later the question is how do we get back to the madisonian system? and so many of these that we talk about with the administrative state the financial power these were not in play. if you would like the foundation or the pillar of the administrative system we have today what makes it run? there are probably a lot of things but the one thing that is fundamental is that the united states dollar is the reserve currency that means the national government can print the dollars to pay the debts with all these little countries have to earn that. they cannot resort to the printing press. and then to balance out the accounts and the budget and those politics that goes on today where politicians continue to promise. and people could suggest that is a good thing. people talk about how do we get back to the old system? >> so to encourage copula so. >> how do you say that encourages? maybe i have a littl

. >> capital research center, i have a question for jim pearson, talking about madison, nationstate, empire, union. if you tell us, paint a deeper picture of what madison did once, are there any things that can be done now to bring us closer to that? >> the second one is very difficult. as i said in 1787 the idea of a nationstate was not a very visible image to the founding fathers. union was the new idea and union was supported for host of reasons some of them having to do with national defense against european powers. the union and states being necessary to that. jefferson thought in terms of empire. so i believe the american nationstate was constructed afterwards from all these conflicts are developed in the 19th and 20th century's. how do we get back to a madisonian kind of system? i have no idea because madison never envisioned a huge government. many things we are talking about, huge administrative state, financial power of the national government, none of these things were implied in the 19th century. if you were to ask the foundation, the pillar of the administrative system we have today,