seems to me when a nationstate does something that damages or disrupt a network, so if a nationstate to another nations work and turns off the electric our bread, causes trains to derail, causes a real-world damage, that can be a race in the databanks. i mean, if someone came in and erased the data banks of the trust corp. in lower manhattan, that's not physical damage. but boy would it benefit the country. so it seems to me the criteria are a nationstate that there and doing damage or disruption, that's war. that cyberwar. a nationstate going in to the same site, hacking its way in and collecting information, that's not war. as espionage. and it turns out in many cases the difference between a penetration to do cyberespionage and a penetration to do cyberwar is a few keystrokes. and once you're in, you're in. if you go into that networking expo trade copy all the data, that's espionage. if you go into that network and cause the database to crash and erased or caused the train to derail, those few more keystrokes have made it work. yes, ma'am. >> with your argument, though, and i thi

it seems to me when a nationstate does something that damages or disrupts a network, a nationstate cybercommand comes into another nations not work and turns out the electric power grid, causes strains to derail, causes a real-world damage, that can be erased in the database. if someone came in and erase the database in the deposit trust corporation in lower manhattan, that is not physical damage, but boy would it mess up this country. so it seems to me that criteria are a nationstate actor, and doing damage or disruption. that is war. that is cyberwar. a nationstate going in to the same site, making its way and in collecting information, that is not war. that is espionage. it turns out, in many cases the difference between a penetration to do cyberespionage and a penetration to do cyberwar is a few keystrokes. once you are end, you are in. if you go into that network and you ask filtrate copy all the data, ask filtrate it, that is espionage. if you go into that network and cause the database to crash and erase or cause the trains to derail, those few more keystrokes have been-- have made it wa

but now they are a people and now that they are the people they have to have a nationstate of their own war you will never know peace there. so i believe then that the palestinians need a nation. when i came out of that i was considered anti-semitic. but now the israelis are at war. and i still believe that. in front i think what the israelis did in gaza was excessive. they had 1400 dead. they had the right to go in and clean up those rockets there was to of the gaza strip. but what they did was excessive. and i do believe this. i'm an american. this is my country. and i look out for what is best for the united states of america, and uncritical support for israel and total support for israel, and everything she does is a terrible mistake because there's also 300 million arabs there. and the arabs are not always wrong. and so i think the united states should have an independent policy which declares where -- you're not going to destroy is will there. we have a moral commitment to them, but our interest dictates is and where we agree we follow our interest, and we are no longer being -- t

each one of the boundaries of those nationstates was defined by europeans for the benefit of europeansemony. on top of that, nationalism is based in fact up on symbolically, putting a flag to claim, or to put it a better way, putting a dick in a whole. nationalism is about systematic oppression limit. you cannot own land, you cannot own women. and until we deal with that, we're not going to move forward. we're going to go in circles and think we are moving forward. this is a black writers conference and we don't even know what black as it took one of the hallmarks of blackness, i ain't black. so as soon as you see a dark skinned% say i ain't black, you know that person is what? black. recently we've had two major pollsters make the transition. one was lucio clifton. some would say the quintessential black poet of this era. the other was i, who did not claim to be a black poet. our blackness must define and embrace them both. and if they cannot do that it's not really blackness. because our blackness has been about the result of the encounter with others. and unfortunately, being here i