for determining attacks against the nationstate here? >> yes. you are starting to see increased cooperation, law-enforcement to law enforcement channels, prosecutor to prosecutor channels. >> can we down the line, from all of your vantage points, what is the cyber threat to the nation? who keeps you up that night? -- who keeps you up at night? >> in particular, iran and north korea. there are new vulnerabilities that come out that have an impact on the industrial control systems. undeterrable or difficult to deter countries. i worry about that. >> given my portfolio, if i was not a sound sleeper, i would never get sleep. the top threat are those who would not be deterred. if they had the capability, they would use it. that is the terrorist organizations who have declared their intent to cause maximum harm and are actively seeking to acquire the capability and that is where each day, i feel all of us working together need to do more working with our private partners, so that we are not having an ugly 9/11 commission, that we are not havin

nationstates are developing it as part of their strategies.ere was a recent estimate from 300 -- they said estimated the economic loss to be in the range of $300 million of lost intellectual property, which equals our foreign exports to asia. that chairman rogers put out, looking out one attack, someone wanted to do something destructive with a not particularly sophisticated, was able to wipe 30,000 computers out. there was a good criminal take down. an infection infected hundreds of thousands of people's computers. the criminals were using it for profit. they would lock you out of your files, you want to get them back and you pay them to get them back. it does not take imagination to put out a videotape, saying what the intent is, to cause harm, if they get access they are going to use it to destroy as much information as they can. >> you are inside. you see these. yes, we are seeing an increase. >> by how much? how do you quantify it? >> you see an increase in the number of reported incidents. >> this is an invisible threat to most people. a

i think for too long when it came to the nationstate actors there was a lot of good work being done on the intelligent side of the house to find out what was going on. but for too long on the criminal side of the house, we were not working day in and day out to see whether or not it involved the nationstate actor that we could bring appropriate criminal charges and that's why in 2012 we started the national security network and how the prosecutors trained all throughout the country on both have a handle on the one hand and the complexities of the electronic evidence and on the other hand how to deal with the sensitive choices and methods and expertise the prosecutors have been bringing to bear. now that people are looking at the cases in that manner and the fbi is regularly sharing intelligence with the specially trained prosecutors, the case will be brought and we proved that was the case by bringing the case against the members of the liberation army 6198 earlier this spring. the prosecutors and agents continue to work and we will see additional cases because the crime continues of s

we have seen five individuals from in nationstate being indicted. we have a legal framework for how we as a nation address criminal activity. i often get asked this question about cyber mercenaries. should we go out as a private sector and hire individuals to conduct with the military calls offensive operations to try to stop through the use of nationstates, groups or individuals from conducting these attacks against us? that ishat is something a broader policy issue so we will work our way through it. be very careful about going down that road. you can potentially open you up for a whole new range of obligations -- cop location -- omplications. thing about the legal implications. i will be the first to admit i am not the smartest one about it. i will learn you to be very careful about going down that road. >> how to the so-called bad actors? >> that is when this partnership becomes very powerful because that information sharing between us about who is the attribution? based on our confidence and knowledge of that, is there options that is available

the experience of being a nationstate and pursuing normal or traditional nationstates which is more orless what they did. the second model they have is that of an empire. iran was a great empire extending from the borders today and well into what we cover the middle east extending to the end of africa and you have correctly described which is the view of the present which is that of the islamic face and it should be the governing guide and therefore it is permanent and the view i expressed here is that iran has to make a choice. it doesn't have to announce the choice but it has to make a perceptible choice which of these three models it follows. one other thing iran is the only one that is in the middle east nor its culture and that it maintains the culture and language so it's always a distinct feeling of something special about iran so at the end of november we are going to be confronting the end of the culmination of the negotiations about the nuclear weapons. and they have to be judged by the settlement and about what the alternate purpose of the air indian government. >> here's an

when i found that we do not have a partner on the palestinian side, why organize a nationstate of theewish people within any boundaries? i realized we should find another way, not just talking about a palestinian state. they enjoy political independence. there are already two political entities. one in gaza and one in the west bank. >> but it is changing. >> nevertheless, they enjoy political independence. we don't want to government. -- governor them. >> you seem to be saying that you no longer believe in a two-state solution. they have their independence already so they do not need a state. are you saying that? >> you might call it a state. you might call it the palestinian empire. is going to be an autonomy. it is going to be demilitarized. in order to encourage them -- we do not want to govern them -- they should be competent to govern themselves. >> your prime minister says he believes in a two-state solution. >> i believe in the palestinian empire. what does it mean? it is going to be an autonomy. >> but why can't you call it a state? >> are they ready to recognize our right to

the experience of being a nationstate pursuing the normal or the traditional nationstates and actions such as more or less with bated and for a hundred years. the second model they have in history is that of an empire because for a great part of history byron was a great empire extending from the borders of what is today india and well into what we covered today and call the middle east extending to the edge of africa and which you have correctly described as the view of the present theocracy which is the islamic face and the governing guide of the iranian policy and therefore that the united states is implemented and the view that i express here is that iran has to make a choice. it doesn't have to announce the choice but it has to make a respectable choice which of these three models is following. and we have to remember one other thing about iran of all of the countries, iran is the only one, in the middle east anyway that does not give up its language or its culture and that has maintained the culture and language so it is always a distinct feeling of something special so at the e

government against nationstate hacking? what is the threshold for us to see more of the tools in the toolbox being deployed? , when itk for too long came to nationstate actors, there was a lot of good work being done on the intelligence side to figure out who they were and what was going on. but for too long on the criminal side, they weren't working day in and day out to sea whether or not it involved an actor that we could bring appropriate criminal charges. network we started the and had prosecutors trained all throughout the country on both how to handle the bits and bytes and complexities of electronic evidence, and how to deal with sensitive sources and methods, the expertise that prosecutors can bring to bear in national security cases. people are looking at the cases in that manner and the fbi is sharing intelligence with those prosecutors, a case will be brought. we proved that was the case by bringing the case against the five members of the people's liberation army earlier this spring. cases, see additional becau

in other words those posed by terrorists and nationstates. i will talk a little bit later about how we have restructured the division to focus on bringing all tools to bear against these threats. likewise, chamber members have an important role to play in our strategy. you've are looking for the consequences living through the consequences with alarming frequency. according to brookings and 97% of the fortune 500 companies have been hacked. price water cooper house released a report that found the number of detected cyber attacks in 2014 increased 48% over 2013. as fbi director james comey noted there are two companies in america those that have been hacked and those that don't know that they have been hacked. so we are on notice and we are all targets. i would venture to say that everyone in this room has been affected by a cyber security breach. at best a minor inconvenience, reissued credit card, at worst a devastation to the company's reputation, loss of customer trust and injury to your bottom line. without taking proper steps it is a qu

a europe where powers flow from parcels to make nationstates and not the other way around.urope of the free movement not freeloading, a europe of cooperating nations not a european -- a europe of open markets and free trade agreements with the world and beyond. europe that can outcompete the best in the world without red tape and regulation is weighing it down but most of all, most of all a europe on which the british people have had their say. [applause] because when it comes to the election next year there will be a clear choice and in a referendum in 2017 with david cameron were no say under ed miliband and labor. we conservatives trust the people and only leave the conservatives will deliver that referendum. no if's, buts. [applause] so whether it's european bureaucracy, russian aggression islamist extremism or syrian civil war we have a plan in place to deal with the threats to our competitiveness, our security and our sovereignty today and to build a better future for britain tomorrow. after four years of conservative government we have a success story which we should

for determining attacks against the nationstate here? >> yes. you are starting to see increased cooperation, law-enforcement to law enforcement channels, prosecutor to prosecutor channels. can we down the line, from all of your vantage points, what is the cyber threat to the nation? who keeps you up that night? night?keeps you up at and northicular, iran korea. there are new vulnerabilities that come out that have an impact on the industrial control systems. will or difficult -- or difficult to deter countries. i worry about that. , if i wasy portfolio not a sound sleeper, i would never get sleep. are those who would not be deterred. if they had the capability, they would use it. that is the terrorist organizations who have declared their intent to cause maximum harm and are actively seeking to acquire the capability and that day, i feel all of us working together need to do more working with our private partners, so that we are not commission,ly 9/11 that we are not having a post-9/11-like moment. i have learned to get sleep at night. a

the traditional nationstate all over the world is under stress, which is driving some people to supportauthoritarian governments. we don't want that in america. it's not like you can't have a meaningful life outside of politics, but it's not like politics is not still really important. it's just for the rest of the life of everybody in this room, you will live in a period where power is more dispersed and the competition to exercise it in positive and negative ways will probably go to people who are most effective in recognizing the new realities and organizing and deploying according to it. whatever she decides to do, she's going to do good. >> what does that mean about you? in other words, you have spent more than a decade out of office devoting your life, creating this extraordinary foundation to the public good. what would a return to the white house for your family mean for the foundation, and for cgi, and for the work you are engaged in that is so meaningful today? >> i hope that we would be able to continue to do that with what we do, but that we would set up certain rules and ha

for decades, but the "atlantic" carries out this thought experiment -- if black america were a nationstatew would it compare to other countries? how would a fair on standard measures of national power and weakness? "the atlantic" has done calculations graphs, charts, very interesting, and the results are fascinating. for instance, like america's gdp would be 46th richest country in the world, so how to you compare these results and what did they tell us? according to the "atlantic," statistics reveal that black america is a fragile state that is embedded within the greatest superpower the will has ever known, so basically a brings to light a lot of inequalities in america. >> over to france, papers are focusing here on the government's 2015 budget. >> that is recommend that budget was sent to the european commission this week, and the european commission even before it received the budget said it was probably going to reject the budget and fine france unless the government carries out some serious spending cuts in other tightening reforms. the right-leaning magazine here in france wonders

but when i found that we do not have a partner on the , we organize -- why organize a nationstate of the jewish people within any boundaries? they enjoy political independence. wo political entities. one in gaza and one in the west bank. >> but it is changing. --nevertheless just nevertheless, they enjoy political independence. >> you seem to be saying that you no longer believe in a two-s tate solution. they have their independence already so they do not need a state. the syrian empire is going to be an autonomy. it is going to be demilitarized. --order to encourage them they are not competent to govern themselves. >> your prime minister says he solutionin a two-state . >> what does it mean? it is going to be an autonomy. >> but why can't you call it a state? >> not talking about hamas, they 67 lines are just a .tate plansn. partition proposal, they rejected all of it because their aim is not to have a palestinian state, it is to destruct the jewish state. that is why we do not say to states for two people. >> do you believe that is the decision of hamas? >> absolutely. we considere

the experience of being a nationstate and pursuing normal or traditional nationstates which is more orless what they did. the second model they have is that of an empire. iran was a great empire extending from the borders today and well into what we cover the middle east extending to the end of africa and you have correctly described which is the view of the present which is that of the islamic face and it should be the governing guide and therefore it is permanent and the view i expressed here is that iran has to make a choice. it doesn't have to announce the choice but it has to make a perceptible choice which of these three models it follows. one other thing iran is the only one that is in the middle east nor its culture and that it maintains the culture and language so it's always a distinct feeling of something special about iran so at the end of november we are going to be confronting the end of the culmination of the negotiations about the nuclear weapons. and they have to be judged by the settlement and about what the alternate purpose of the air indian government. >> here's an

they probably have had 20 plus rounds of trade discussion so far including 12 nationstates of the pacific40% of the world's gdp. it is a big, big deal. that is probably number one. i would say number two, at least i hope, is a bilateral investment treaty between the u.s. and china, which would make ther and warned her stood rules of the road -- and more understood the rules of the road here in the u.s. and certainly improve our ability to make investments longer-term in china. chinese central committee, the ruling party of the commonest party, is holding its plenary session in beijing. are these sessions geared toward change, perhaps giving local jurisdictions more say? or do the talks reinforce the status quo? >> they started the fourth plenary of the 18th party congress today and that will play out over the next many days. it will be part of the leadership's broad-based and ambitious attempt at reform. there's an economic reform and a political reform part, which is sort of less apparent to most people. he is going to talk about rule of law over the next couple of days. what that means

spectrum the marines and army in the state department and usaid are generally designed to fight nationstates or work with capitals and national governments. the problem set about cutting the insurgency aspects of that which is predominantly outside the capitol. it's frequently tribal. it's a date -- very dangerous area so force protection and personnel frequently trumps accomplishing the mission sometimes. the problem is the exact opposite and how we are organized for success. part of it is trying to catch in book form that there's a different way of doing this and is it's not always about killing people and breaking things. it's about empowering them at the local level in the same things you typically hear from marines were naval officers. it's very different from a career path but you want to capture that at least at one point. the bias in publishing is towards combat. there are plenty of books with junior officers that are directly involved with complex. i like those books that i buy them too. >> again going back to my comments from the beginning there are a lot of folks in the military d

smaller business and justice seeking generically that lack the resources to really fund against the nationstate. are they at least in the context of liability is there any kind of distinction to say i've done my best but i can't go toe to toe with the nationstate. >> i think the framework is a good vehicle for doing that. it is adaptive, it's not one-size-fits-all so it would be a more usable vehicle so that is one of the challenges we face as an economy and as a country where there would be huge resources directed at an individual small company and that could be a big challenge for the small company. that's just the reality. on the other hand if you are a smaller company, you are less likely than j.p. morgan chase to be a target. you are less likely to have huge damages when you go out to buy a cyber insurance it's not going to cost you as much. so i think there are normal mark -- mechanisms where on the one hand it may not have resources to put up the defenses of j.p. morgan chase or wells fargo. but on the other hand, in many respects the risks are smaller. >> do you want to pick up on that?

it is really going on on an unprecedented scale. >> when you say this is nationstate, how can you tell? it's not always that simple to know whether this is a government sanctioned, government approves, government organized job for someone working on that country. >> this is one of the big misconceptions about the industry that a lot of people say it's so hard. it's so hard, but not impossible in every major cyberattack with that in the last 30 years has been attributed definitively. not all the attributions done publicly, but we know very well who's behind the attack and in fact, it's a lot easier these days to even do attribution of the private sector. we envelop attribution of one particular group in china that's been going after the satellite industry which are beaded directly to building in shanghai that is the headquarters of the 12 year by the people's liberation army that focuses on guesswork on the satellite signal, which makes sense because that is the comp and you're going after. >> is always clear what they are going after once they get inside the network? sometimes they see

tell me how you economic sanctions against a non-nationstate. letter? should write a the issue is isis is a danger. you have to have a read wrong approach read shut down our southern border. it is no longer an immigration issue. it is a security and immigration threat. can build the panama for now can build a fence on the 21st. unfortunately it is going to call for america to lead. you cannot control isis by air alone. conwaywords of general there is a snowball's chance in hell the air operations will work. to limit our ground forces to special forces, to supply and some warts, we make sure our coalition's that we choose our watched and trained. we limit our involvement, that make sure that isis is destroyed. >> a quick follow up. no one answered how we are paying for this. we have put two wars on the credit card. would you support a war tax to support perpetual war? two clearly different approaches to this situation. i am saying we need to be thoughtful and responsible. a letter is not going to get the job done. this is somebody who called for invading

tell me how you economic sanctions against a non-nationstate. maybe we should write a letter? the issue is isis is a danger. you have to have a read wrong approach read shut down our southern border. it is no longer an immigration issue. it is a security and immigration threat. a nation that can build the panama canal can build a fence on the 21st. unfortunately it is going to call for america to lead. you cannot control isis by air alone. in the words of general conway there is a snowball's chance in hell the air operations will work. to limit our ground forces to special forces, to supply and support, we make sure our coalition's that we choose our watched and trained. we limit our involvement, that make sure that isis is destroyed. >> a quick follow up. no one answered how we are paying for this. we have put two wars on the credit card. would you support a war tax to support perpetual war? >> two clearly different approaches to this situation. i am saying we need to be thoughtful and responsible. a letter is not going to get the job done. this is somebody who called for inv

the desire to have a government that is capable of meeting the needs of the modern nationstate, which is going to have to compete in the world of nations with powers like france and britain and spain. then in a state of decline. for the americans to compete, we need to have an effective government. certainly the people around george washington felt this very acutely. americans are deeply committed to print tables of liberty. this is a great lesson to have in mind for our own times as we think about the constitution since 9/11. we think about the debates we have about how to balance liberty and security. we do not want another 9/11. but we're not sure how far we want nsa to go. in terms of how much information they are going to collect. the very enterprise of constitution making involves reconciling principles that are not themselves compatible. that pull us in different directions. we are committed to both. if you are a member of the aclu, as i have been. though i wax and wane. i'm not crazy about having snowden as one of aclu's current mascots. i have mixed feelings. we are committed

>> yes, they are trying to take -- to create a nationstate, one that is run by the islamic state. problem in the middle east. >> what could secretary kerry ?earn from secretary kissinger >> he could learn a little bit of the humility that, perhaps, took kissinger 90 years to learn. he -- not always that that humble. but he did understand his limits when it comes to changing history. was it five years ago you wrote it? >> o, no. >> i'm joking. 20 years ago. how would you write it today? >> i think he was able to create a balance of power coming out of the abn on -- out of the vietnam time and the cold war. we won the cold war because the balance of power works. broade to look at the view and look at russia, china, and the united states coming keep them in balance in a realistic way, unlike what we are doing now in my opinion. >> very quickly, you look back at the kissinger era and forward to where we are now, and now you look at the change media, a speed of the gap. could kissinger work in -- a speed of media. could kissinger work in today's world? absolutely. one of the problems w

andfornia is a nationstate the eighth largest economy in the world, we promote that. we just surprised russia and italy's economy. we will surpass france and the u.k.. everybody has the opportunity for that economic disparity. that steve ision a former state michigan state legislature. he brings a second layer to the conversation. can you tell us a little bit about global detroit and what your role is in interacting with the city? >> i want to thank the sponsors for inviting us and having a voice from the midwest. a very different demographic makeup than either of our coast. i think a critical and important lace where i think we are trailblazing new concepts and new ideas about immigration. global detroit is an economic initiative. we are not an immigrant rights or advocacy organization. we came together at the height of michigan and detroit's economic crisis in 2009. there were some woeful statistics. no state has ever had a decade as bad relative to the other states as michigan had in the 2000's. at the height of this economic detroit chamber of commerce foundation

tell me how you economic sanctions against a non-nationstate. maybe we should write a letter? [laughter] the issue is isis is a danger. you have to have a read wrong approach read shut down our southern border. it is no longer an immigration issue. it is a security and immigration threat. a nation that can build the panama for now can build a fence on the 21st. unfortunately it is going to call for america to lead. you cannot control isis by air alone. in the words of general conway , four-star, there is a snowball's chance in hell the air operations will work. to limit our ground forces to special forces, to supply and support, we make sure our coalition's that we choose our watched and trained. we limit our involvement, that make sure that isis is destroyed. >> a quick follow up. no one answered how we are paying for this. we have put two wars on the credit card. would you support a war tax to support perpetual war? >> two clearly different approaches to this situation. i am saying we need to be thoughtful and responsible. a letter is not going to get the job done. this is s

tell me how you put sanctions against a non-nationstate. letter. should write a the issue is that isis is a danger. it is a danger here. you have to have a three-pronged approach. shut down our southern border. security and immigration thread. a nation that can build in can build a fence in the 21st century. unfortunately it is going to call for america to lead. .ou cannot control isis there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that air operations will work. i agree. limit ground forces to special forces to supplying support. make sure coalitions that we choose our watched and efficiently trained to read and limit our involvement but make sure that isis is destroyed. >> a quick follow up. no one answered how we are paying for this. we have put two wars on the credit card. would you support a war tax to support perpetual war? >> two clearly different approaches to this situation. i am saying we need to be thoughtful and responsible. a letter is not going to get the job done. this is somebody who called for invading mexico a few weeks ago because we hav

so independent of who is attempting to gain access, whether it's criminal, a cyber vigilante, a nationstate, we want to take control of our system. that's what a proactive security model is all about. >> vern, thank you so much. it's fascinating to have a potential more agile response to defending cyberattacks and we appreciate your thoughts and mentally today. thank you. the ground of applause. >> thank you. [applause] >> were not going to move to the next phase of today's discussi discussion. a veteran tech a business correspondent who shared in "the boston globe"'s recent pulitzer prize. we're delighted to bring mike from the globe back to the monitor where he was reporting from our san francisco bureau and was one time our mideast editor. we are thrilled to have him leaving our past cocaine. mike is going to introduce you to our next speaker. >> [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible conversations] >> everyone can hear us? okay, great. i mike farrell, editor at the "christian science monitor," and i'm pleased to introduce michael daniel, probably in this crowd needs little introduction

point if blood -- you can't expect them to be prepared enough to basically counter and advanced nationstate to make sure all the mechanisms are in place through congressional, legislative, legal, regulatory, so that we know exactly how to do that in place that i would sleep better at night and i think a lot of people in the energy sector would feel better if they knew that that was locked down and the eu could rely on it. >> i would say more of the same. i will strike the optimistic view today. i would like to see that legislation passed. i don't know if that is going to happen or not. but if you pass that information it's helpful as i mentioned earlier the key part that isn't discussed is the authorization part of the bill that would allow for the network monitoring and the countermeasures so we would like to see that move forward and i think they changed the paradigm that we will see if the congress does anything outside of that issue. we are going to continue to see the same things happen and i think nst will do the workshop tomorrow. and in the one just released today talk about the est

how do you do economic patients against a non-nationstate?aybe you should write a tersely worded letter. the issue is, ice is a danger. you have to have a three-pronged approach. you have to shut down the northern border. -- the southern border is no longer an immigration issue. it is a threat. a nation that can build a panama canal in the 20th century certainly can build a fence in the 21st. by airnot control isis alone. in the words of general conway, four-star, former commander in number and core -- there is not a snowball chance in hell at air operations will work. and i agree. secondly, limit our ground forces to special forces to supply and support. we make sure that our coalitions that we choose are watched and efficiently trained. and make sure that isis is destroyed. up because nolow one answered how we are paying for this. we've already put two wars on the credit card. would you be willing to support ther tax to support perpetual war that we seem to be in? -- two clearly different approaches on this issue. i'm saying thoughtful and

tell me how you put economic sanctions against a non-nationstate?aybe we should perhaps write a curtly worded letter. the issue is, isis is a danger we need a three-pronged approach. we have to shut down our southern border. it is no longer an immigration issue. it is a security and immigration threat. a nation that can build a panama canal in the 19th century certainly can build a name for the 21st. secondly, and fortunately, it is going to call america to lead, and you cannot control isis by air alone. in the words of a four-star general in the marine corps, there's not a snowball chance in air operation will work. i agree. and we have to limit ground forces to special forces. wemake sure coalitions choose are watched and efficient lee-trained. we have to limit our involvement but make sure that isis is destroyed. host: bonnie, hello. caller: i was calling about the ebola. thatw there are people caught ebola over in africa or wherever. we should have let them ride it out over there instead of endangering our whole country. i mean, that is a very,