are the implications when part of your own possession, part of your own scripture is taken by the nationstateand used for its own purposes. that's part of our civil debate in america. >> host: did you have been a cover showing washington d.c. landmarks on a power fan? >> i have more input on this than any previous pope. that's a very perceptive question. i'm glad you asked that. at this point i will admit there was another proposal out there that i pleaded with the publisher primarily in britain. we talked a lot about the title of the book and that would connect with the british audience as well as american ideas. their first proposal was brilliant. it was a recognizable image delivering the sermon on the mound with the head of ronald reagan in an american flag. i saw this to me as a pdf and i said this is -- you are marketing people understand about perfectly. this is genius, but i can't possibly. this is so irreverent. this even seems to be unpatriotic. i can't possibly go at this cover. so we went back and forth and i said a hill, holding a sand castle. could we use this metaphor, this ima

and other nationstates as well as multinational organizations. south africa is just one region of the world where such turmoil is present. nearly everywhere, we can point out the potential for failures or collapse. we certainly cannot anticipate thispecifics, but unpredictable instability has been a const and for certainly this administration and will be, i think, for the next 1, 2, no our president is. in the coming decades, and underlying meta-driver of unpredictable instability will be, i believe, climate change. major population centers will compete for ever diminishing food and water resources and governments will have an increasingly difficult time controlling their territory. so because of all these factors, we cansil is gone, expect some other terrorist entity to arise in the aggregate -- and the cycle of extremism will continue. by the way, our more traditional adversaries like russia and china and iran and north korea will continue to challenge us, and, of course, technology will continue to be disruptive. think about the fact that over

for years, turning it into the islamic winter, nationstates are collapsing all around. results of official .orld war i collapsing a dictator. libya, any other place, the interruption of all of the ages old conflicts are coming back to life. it might take time. but, israel is there. for joining me and sharing your memories of shimon peres. thank you. >> thank you. jane: a quick look at other news. two children and a teacher were injured by a teenager with a gun at a primary school in south carolina. the suspect has been taken into custody. he is reported to have fatally shot his father before the incident at the school. the rest were evacuated to a nearby church and are safe. an entire state in australia left without electricity following powerful storms. he'll force wind and more than 21,000 lightning strikes were reported in 12 hours as the state ofnt swept the south australia. one point 6 million people are left without power. the canadian firm that pioneered withmart phone market blackberry will stop making them. the design and production would be outsourced to an in

. >> the commission does not intend to get rid of the nationstate, although this is often claimed.e do not want to destroy, we do not want to undermine. we want to construct a better europe. reporter: he went on to explain how that could be accomplished. he unveiled a raft of economic proposals including a plane to raise the european investment fund to a total of at least 500 billion euros by 2020. >> first of all, he took the commitment to dabble the investment plan. second, because he he took the position to apply the flexibility inside the package. reporter: the creation of a common military force is another key proposal he put forward, but eurosceptics claim that shows to -- >> people are saying we asked for a better deal, you did not give it to us, so we voted to leave. my sense is across europe, people are saying, can we have a decentralization of hours? -- of powers? >> our responsibility is to make from brexit a success for europe , for all the citizens of europe. reporter: the most passionate speeches in favor of europe came from the mp's themselves, a message they will ca

. >> reporter: -- >> clinton is expected to talk tomorrow about her plans to keep the nationstate. the rally will start at noon you can go to our website to watch it, wncn.com. >>> governor pat mccrory focused on -- released a new ad today. >> when we were creating new a folks were pushing to make our schools allow boys to use the girls locker rooms and showers. are we really talking about this? does the desire to be politically correct out to rate -- outweigh our children's privacy and safety? not on my watch. this is north carolina. let's do what is right. >> democrat roy cooper's campaign pointed out how the millions of dollars of revenue because of this law. >>> new tonight, the woman who shot and killed to restrained -- estranged husband after he shot her new boyfriend will not face charges. nonny -- they decided that monica smith was acting in self- defense. he lured the new boyfriend to the home by taking a picture of his ex-wife tied up. she was able to get his gun and shoot him. >>> good news for divers across the state work those looking to renew driver's license will no

damian: nationstates have been trying to hack the united states for years. the leaking of information that we have seen since april, but can we make of these websites that seem to be two of the main operations in addition to wikileaks? congressman schiff: there are a bunch of different categories. some use cyber for the purpose of theft. we have had some progress with china. you don't steal for economic benefit. then you have theft for the purpose of foreign intelligence entering. then you have dumping that information to disrupt. that does not mean it has to be accurate information. we have seen the russians do that in europe. what i think is very concerning here is that these activities go beyond simply hacking. that is simply gaining intelligence. i can only discuss the public reports. if they are accurate, they have been alerted by the federal government that a foreign government hacked into their databases. that's not for the purpose of intelligence gathering. why would you hack a database of registered voters? that something to do if you're laying the

nationstates are easier to deter than non-nationstate groups or individuals. this is what we have confront it with here. the other thing is that deterrence is hard in the absence of international norms. at some point, in order to make the rule of law, and as a part of that deterrence and work in the cyber domain, there has to be international understanding of what is acceptable behavior and what isn't. then you will be in a much better position to generate deterrence. but deterrence in the absence of that is hard to do unilaterally. david: in the real world that we all grew up in, on the playground, you learn that if somebody bumps you, you should probably bump them back or you will get picked on. does that establish how people will behave? does that apply in the cyber world? mr. clapper: it could if you think that the way to respond to a cyber assault is by cyber meetings. what we have actually done is to react in other ways. again, this is why deterrence is hard to conjure up when, in fact, the exchange may be in a completely different mode. cyber attack of

they've looked at what some of the nationstate groups have done, the way they've organized themselves, they have formalized hacking systems, they have walls they erect between the people who are the keyboard on the keyboard and the people who are financing it over here, the rise of digital currency, big coin is the one everyone knows about and has made this wildly profitable enterprise. it's kind of interesting that a lot of the big claims, mining and storage goes on in china so that's another issue for the government and they need to figure out why we need to keep control over currency. people are doing a lot of crime over there, china has china has largest internet market by far, plenty of opportunity for stealing peoples payments accounts from whoever and bind whatever you want. i think you are right in saying that the nationstate actors get more press, in terms of total volume of damage criminals are probably doing more. >> other questions? >> i have a question about the supply chain. there was an issue with the routers that had to do with china and i know that like you said the h

why does any nationstates >> i spenttelligence. i spent a little time and thoughthought on that question i think we conduct intelligence in the most basic level to reduce uncertainty for the decision-makers and that could be president in the oval office or the metaphor. we can't eliminate uncertainty for any decision-maker. for the decision-makers to make educated decisions with an understanding of the risk involved so we our friends and allies can operate on the facts and situations. it helps the uncertainty for the president whoever it is. so he or she will step into the oval office with his good and understanding as we could help provide. i thought about our work in a historical lens and maybe that's because i lived through a lot of the history. i was deployed at the time, so i missed the ceremony. it's what they are doing during this transition which is unlike anything that we have seen before. wanted to share a little light on what we are giving. first, to dispel the myth, we are not getting president obama or anybody product

is, thereality nationstates of the eu, those countries are fought -- thought to be put in charge of their own tax law. and they are being told they are not. why fightingnie: this case on behalf of sovereign nations in europe? >> the sovereign nation makes the law and it is u.s. companies and we have 200 of those companies that were part of the business roundtable. if i go to any country in the eu and i follow their law, do i have certainty that is where it stops? or do i have the exposure at a later date. someone could come in and say, we disagree with the interpretation and we are assessing you liability that you did not plan on. and frankly, never thought you were going to be subject to. >> you must have a lot of anecdotal information. the meeting this week, a lot of concern about when rates will rise. i wonder what they are saying. >> we don't try to do the fed's job for them but there is a sense that we have this time of low interest rates and it hasn't been stimulative to the u.s. economy the way that some of the policymakers would have hoped. look at is the overall economic growth a

people familiar with the investigation said the link to a nationstate is not ironclad.y are blaming the hack on a government,a former seen as a get out of jail free card. invested $7 billion in its india unit. we understand vodafone india will use the funds to expand its network and participate in an auction for 4g spectrum. threef the investment, billion dollars, was conversion of debt into equity. it gives vodafone india more firepower in a crowded market and comes weeks after india's riches man began operating his mobile phone carrier by offering free calls. indicatedndia has not when it will go public, but we hear it helps to raise as much as $3 billion. andts, camera, action, sony dalian wanda have reached an agreement. 's production group will invest in sony pictures. largest owner of movie theaters, continues its expansion. it snapped up legendary entertainment for $3.5 billion. it is a huge win for the japanese company, winning the backing of wanda will help sony gain greater access to china's restricted movie market. thanks for that. coming up later, policing s

a colorless this was the case the commission does not intend to get rid of the nationstate. we don't destroy we don't want to undermine we want to construct europe is not going down the path of nationalization. the aspects it exists. and that leaving that. we have to be aware of that. [applause]. it was really high time more than ever that we really take a look at the situation. it is currently rising. social injustice continues and that's why very quickly we have to get to work on the basis of this equity. it is not social enough we with to make that here. they continue to be at a higher level. a drop in deficits rate. and so we don't want to see the flexibility act. we need to show intelligence in the flexibility there. so we don't break or hinder growth. i think we also need to look into the eyes of those who are observing us from afar our friends and partners worldwide who deeply regret brexit and they are wondering whether it is the beginning of this process. allowing you here and today that we respect and at the same time regret. we would be happy if the request could

the perpetrators of cyber attacks range from nationstates to cut outs to hackers to criminal gangs andit's quite a variety and that's why our highest priority and cyber including our cyber command is defense of our own network. >> right, it has been widely reported that russian hackers are responsible for the penetration that we've seen at the democratic national committee, those computer systems so when we look at leaks of the dnc e-mails and documents , i guess the questions continue to persist regarding the strength of that connection between the hackers and russian officials and it is generally accepted that the affiliation exists. if this is true, that there is this connection out there, what is clear is that it's another very public instance, this time using cyber where russia continues their aggression toward this country and towards her interest and when we have an adversary who so brazenly strikes at the heart of our democratic process, i think that indicates how low they believe the cost of that behavior is going to be. in other words, i think we possibly lost the deterrence

they've looked at what the nationstate groups have done. their farm life tasking systems.they have walls that they between the people on the keyboard and the people who are financing over here. the rise of digital currencies. the one that everybody knows about has made this wildly profitable enterprise to be undergoing and it's actually interesting about the big point mining and storage goes on in china. so that is all another issue for the government to figure out we want to keep control of currency but is digital currency as well. people are doing a lot of crime over there. china is the largest market by far. funny up opportunity for stealing people's payment account for whoever and buying whatever you want. i think you are right in saying that the nationstate act or skip or press in terms of total volume in damage, criminals are probably doing more. >> other questions? >> i am sharing. i have a question about the supply chain. there is an issue at the routers that had to deal with china. like you said, the hacker could be in cooperation for 500 days. that's why they are

. >> we often have this phrase advanced persistent threat to talk about the nationstate adversaries that have patience and skills and take the time to do something years in advance and it's often the case they are very secure for months at a time before they are detected so trying to rank these vulnerabilities i'm going to rank them relative to access. i think the systems are most accessible. i am secondarily concerned about the tabulation systems independent of voting systems themselves particularly. it's very hard to overwrite printed paper. >> final quick question what more should the administration be doing to protect us in the systems? >> i think the short answer is providing available expertise to go into the network monitoring and other tasks to go looking for it. >> any other response to what the administration can be doing? spinnaker we should be looking more long term to improve the state's machinery of equipment at this time. i do want to make one comment as far as homeland security we already have that through the fbi and homeland security and ask you don't have to be a criti

. >> the issue of the cyber attacks broadly speaking is a well-known problem and nationstate actors will pretend to be others for the purpose of trying to throw off the attribution so i'm not privy to how we have this attribution. i have to assume the people who said that know what they are doing. >> and then one more for you, considering the arrangement of the vulnerabilities and this is what you said a second ago, the range of the vulnerabilities that exist from electronic systems do you think that more states will return to the paper ballots and can you explain how it's the more secure option? >> there seems to be a trend if you consider the four states in five states now and in many cases it's not for the cost reasons. you have to factor that in. i will say this, you have to have some other protections and i think that oregon and some of the others do but i've also said the best and easiest way is right here on my hand. when i mail out a paper ballot, i have no idea who votes that the ballot. i may be able to verify the signature that i can tell you that we are there and a couple cas

there's plenty of opportunity i think you're right in saying that the nationstate actors get more press in terms of total volume of damage, criminals are probably doing more. >> other questions? >> i have a question about the supply chain. there was an issue with the routers. i know the hacker could get a corporation for 100 days for their cause. i will bet you there is a lot of routers that have been compromised. has that been addressed? i don't even think we know what is compromised. how has that been resolved because there were so many of those routers? thank you. >> i'll pick that one up. >> so the national counterintelligence and security center is the organization in the united states government that handles supply chain security. i don't know if anybody has read go sleep, it's a book that's making its way around the beltway. basically it has to do with compromising digital technology that goes into fighter jets and destroyers and then summary can turn it off whenever they wanted to. suddenly the missile system is a giant paperweight. so it is an issue, the amount of technological

even defy slotted anywhere on the spectrum, but they all stand for more power to the individual nationstateagain,ht be desirable that is a completely different discussion, but it is quite clear that the european union leadership is not thinking in those terms. in fact, it seems to me that one of the biggest risks for europe is exactly this. this got reaction that the answer to the crisis is more europe, when in fact that peoples of europe are saying there is too much europe. less europe ore a looser europe is the answer? do you see that view getting any traction? some countries have been making that case. that's not what you hear from german chancellor angela merkel and others. >> of course ultimately what can they do if the smaller countries the marchagree to towards the european integration? you can integrate in the eurozone, but there you have -- i don't want to call them -- what are you going to do if say poland are hungry -- hungry -- , say they don't want to participate. there is no way to force them. you can say to some countries that we will integrate in whatever way we want and the

although it doesn't seem this is the case the commission does not intend to get rid of the nationstates. we don't destroy, we don't want to undermine. we want to construct. we want a better europe. europe is not going down the path of nationalization. it can never become that type of nationalized area. but there are splits out there and often fragmentation exists where we need further effort from the union. that is leaving scope for populism and we cannot accept that. populism does not -- on the contrary, populism creates problems and we have to be aware of that and protect ourselves against it. [applause]. it is really high time, more than never that we really take a look at the situation. unemployment continues to be far too high in europe. although between 2013 it today 8 million new jobs are created. employment on a employment is constantly rising. but social injustice continues, that is why we have to get to work on the the basis of social equity. we have to work on the energy side as well. europe is not social enough. we have to make that clear. [laughter] in europe continues also

groups andethnic nationstates have very often found that it is most convenient to define themselves bywhat they hate and not just those ideas that bind them together. time and again, human beings have believed they have finally arrived at a period of allotment only to repeat the cycles of conflict and suffering. perhaps that is our fate. we have to remember that the choices of individual human wargs led to repeated world . but we also have to remove or the choices of individual human beings created a united nations so that a war like that will never happen again. leaders, each nation can choose to reject those who appealed to our worst and embrace those who appeal to our best. for we have shown we can choose a better history. sitting in a prison cell, the young martin luther king jr. wrote that human progress ever roles on the wheels of inevitability. it comes to the tireless efforts of men willing to be coworkers with god. and in the course of the eight years, as i have try it rolled -- travel through many of your nations, i have seen that spirit in our young people, who are more educ

a colorless this was the case the commission does not intend to get rid of the nationstate. we don't destroy we don't want to undermine we want to construct europe is not going down the path of nationalization. the aspects it exists. and that leaving that. we have to be aware of that. [applause]. it was really high time more than ever that we really take a look at the situation. it is currently rising. social injustice continues and that's why very quickly we have to get to work on the basis of this equity. it is not social enough we with to make that here. they continue to be at a higher level. a drop in deficits rate. and so we don't want to see the flexibility act. we need to show intelligence in the flexibility there. so we don't break or hinder growth. i think we also need to look into the eyes of those who are observing us from afar our friends and partners worldwide who deeply regret brexit and they are wondering whether it is the beginning of this process. allowing you here and today that we respect and at the same time regret. we would be happy if the request could

it's something that we as a government and i hope as a people take very seriously theel nationstate actor is messing with the process whether that's to disrupt, influence, show discord, to create doubt. .. our policymakers and the president with the information needed to decide what to do about it, and so i'm not going to comment on the work we're doing now except we're working very hard on it to try to understand if there is such a thing and what are the dimensions of it, and what are the intentions and motivations and tools they use, but for ropeses i hope you understand i'm. no going to talk about a pending matter. >> as far as you know, have the state election systems been tested to see how they would hold up to so much an intruder or skills of a foreign state? >> i'm not an expert in general but especially with respect to those systems, my understanding is that we have in a way a wonderfully resilient, because it is incredibly disseparate and dispersed and run at the state local level, system for voter registration for voting, and i know that the fbi and the dhs have been making shee

more broadly, we have nationstate actors and activists and so forth. we have been out there saying to state election officials if you need help just ask us for it. they are getting into the databases and changing, is that what they're doing? >> no, that's not it. the matters are under active investigation. i think there's a limited amount that we can say but what we are seeing our efforts to get into voter registration rolls, the identity of registered voters, things of that nature, changing ballot counts. >> not the change votes. >> no but so person who is normally registered would not be registered. is that what we are talking about. >> i cannot say that, no. >> okay. >> is this coming from one particular country? >> i don't believe that we have reached a determination of that nature to that extent. >> okay. >> we talk about the southern border and i was talk about the northern border. i do want to talk about that for the second in the arena of medications. we have been told by folks who work under you on the ground in the northern border that there

from the nationstates and the terrorists would use a sequestration is a threat to the military? >> scheuer. >> would you agree that the congress is going to shake down more in an enemy than we can think of in the near-term? do you agree with people park more marines and take them out of the fight to ban any that we can take out the sequestration? >> we are going to go fight and be at risk. >> what is your budget in terms of personnel costs? >> weepy about 61% for the personnel. >> 60% of the budget person out if sequestration goes into effect, are you going to lose marines? >> yes, sir we will. >> how many ships will money be have come admiral? >> they say 278. is that about right? so the congress is going to think how many? >> how many brigades are we going to wipe out? >> would you agree you have to put them in ethnic if you don't fix the sequestration? >> i'm not required to answer that question. >> i'm not judging. >> i will abstain. >> there are certain questions you are not required to answer. >> i was about to say i was going to re- ask the question. i want to say how muc

whole spectrum of possible and actual perpetrators ranging from criminals and kids right up to nationstates and you're right, the defense department shares this responsibility with law enforcement and homeland security and intelligence, but we aim to play a big supporting role. our first job is the defense of our own networks. that is our highest priority within the dod cyber system because we defend depend so objectively on those systems for the performance of our military. all are soldiers in salmon's, with their network together, in order to function as well as they do, those networks networks need to be secure. that's our first job. we also do develop cyber offense, we've acknowledged that in the last year to. >> i deeply appreciate the work you're doing that you started and has now expanded is really exciting and i would actually like to look at your next site because we have so many venture capital developing their. >> i appreciate that and the committee's support. it is one of many things we're trying to do to continue to connect our defense department to the most innovative parts of