first, on the nato russia-council. actually, i think we struck the right balance in what we have done so far. because you're right. during a crisis, it is important to keep open a channel for dialogue. so that's why we have suspended practical cooperation with russia, while we have kept the nato-russia council as such open for dialogue. and actually, we have had a meeting already at ambassadors' level within the nato-russia council. i can tell you, it was not a pleasant meeting with 28 allies conveying a very clear message to the russian ambassador. but i think it was a useful meeting. so that underlines your point, that during a crisis, we need to keep open these channels for dialogue. and that's exactly what we have done. but on the other hand, i also think the russian behavior must have consequences. i mean, when i study the founding documents that create the framework for our partnership with russia, i can see russia, of all the fundamental principles. among those principles, we have stated that we will not use for

and finally, on nato's role. well, daily i witness statements that reflect nato's success. every day right now during this crisis, i see expressions of gratitude among eastern allies. gratitude that they are actually members of our alliance. i don't think they see a strong need for redefining the role of nato. they became members of nato, to ensure effective defense and protection. they've got it. they're grateful for that. as we draw down our operation in afghanistan, we open new opportunities to actually address emerging security challenges in a much more efficient manner, in modern abilities, enhanced cyber defense, development at nato missile defense. so no need to reinvent or redefine the role of nato. our core task remains the same, namely to provide effective defense of our populations and our territories, and actually the most effective defense is a strong and determined deterrent. that has been the essence of nato since it was established in 1949 and it will remain the core task. >> well, secretary-general, that seems a fitting end to the time, which has unfortunat

there has been a lot of discussion about nato and how this finally brings nato back to having a purpose i'm curious whether you think the initial response on behalf of nato and the united states sending up a half-dozen planes to poland, that sort of thing, if that is muscular enough to make an impression. >> roger? >> i was not surprised in the endgame, if you like. i think the germans have very good antenna in russia, and i spoke to a senior guy at the foreign ministry there, i guess, two weeks before the annexation. he is a fairly prudent guy and he said, our impression -- and the foreign minister had just been to moscow. his impression was, he's going to go all the way. i don't think we can stop him. and i was surprised then. i said, really? and then i saw these moves that reminded me very much of belgrade and what i witnessed in belgrade. of course, the parallel is not exact. i was not surprised right at the end. in terms of the same question about the nato response, president obama is about to go to europe. he is going to brussels, i believe, for the first time very soon, this mont

one man who knows nato very well former supreme allied commander of nato retired army general who joinsttle rock, arkansas. lets talk about the connection with nato. is this just about the european union or is this about all of nato as we were sort of discussing during the break. >> right at the heart of nato. when the soviet union fell apart and nato began to reach out through the partnership for peace, one of the things we established with all the nations in eastern europe that wanted to be affiliated with united states and nato was that they could consult with nato. nato would serve to extend the security umbrella of the atlantic alliance eastward. so romania, bulgaria, slovakia, estonia, have all joined nato. georgia was interested in joining. ukraine was ambivalent and that was okay because we knew russia was highly sensitive about ukraine joining and that was fine. but ukraine is a member of partnership for peace. so they have every right to come to nate and ask for this. this is really the fundamental purpose of nato, to provide the bedrock of stability in europe. >> when you loo

but again, nato and the e.u. don't act, and this is a nice little story which has the advance of being true, the foreign policy representative was asked henry kissinger asked 40 years ago what's the phone number of the e.u.? she says we have a phone number, it's mine. dial the phone number, and then you get the computer and it says for germany, press one, for france, press two. of. [laughter] so the repivot is one word i would use. cue what is -- cuba is interesting because it was the reverse. it was when the soviet union challenged the united states on its turf. with the balance of strategic power, the balance of regional power and the balance of enters was clearly on the side of the -- of interest was cleary on the side of the united states. you don't want to challenge the other guy on your periphery. you want him to have to dislodge you from your center or which is what putin has done with the crimea. that's why it's going to be very difficult to dislodge. now, in the long run, yes, i think in the long run his

do, what can nato do?arles outlined the same kind of things you can do -- could have done to maybe hold them out of crimea or the things you do to keep them from approaching nato countries. i'm beginning to wonder, though, president bush misjudged putin over georgia. president obama misjudged him here. i'm wondering if we have misjudged how far he would go. is it possible he would take on nato, and if he does, what is our response? does he have doubts whether we would invoke article 5? >> you would start it in the stealthy way of ukraine, in estonia which is 40% russian. you have demonstrations, agents in the area that demonstrate they want a referendum. >> as you know, they have done that. >> but it's not a part of nato. we're talking about nato. >> on nato's doorstep. >> yeah, but there's a difference. one is a treaty obligation. that's so, but only the article in the nato treaty which is an attack on one is an attack on all only applies to an attack on a nato country, an associated country, which is why

the baltic states into nato. so this was the last of the major jigsaw puzzles which they wanted to complete in my view but if you put aside three of the power struggle between the west and russia and also put aside the crimean instance we're talking about ukraine and what's left of it right now there's still a deep divide between the west and the east what do you think could be the best solution for the country to stay together. what i see there has to be a recognition. that you have. created or to the minute you create. the east. which is a russian tradition and of religion and folklore. trade and so on which is not being represented today in this interim set up. the only statement that i have seen probably the interim prime minister is that you know telling the people in the east. that gave you the way disappointed me but basically they are not true presented to all fifty one knob of the country as they'd stand today. but they're saying we're going take a short break now and when we come back we'll continue tal

and nato?t: nato provides political legitimacy for euro it -- euro atlantic honors to take action, but what divides international legitimacy is the united nations. nato is 28 nations. the united nations is much larger. if the nato alliance needs to take action and it wants political legitimacy from major players such as india, brazil, china, you have to get you and sanctions. just the other day, the united nations agreed to renew the u.n. resolutions that authorize international actors such as nato to continue operations in afghanistan. so, there is a political relationship, but think of the u.n. as the conscious of the world, if you will, providing legitimacy, whereas nato is one particular alliance focus on collective security, but often asked to take action on behalf of the united nations. host: katarina. virginia. republican line. caller: i am a russian-american, and by no means do i want a ipeat of the cold war, but agree with previous callers, and i am glad to see the american population,

outside nato headquarters. erin, do we know what's going on in these meetings, what meaningful action russia is considering taking? >> reporter: hi, deb. we're waiting to hear some sort of statement from this morning's meeting. so far officials here in brussels looking to calm things down, to ease some of these tensions. the north atlantic council, which is the primary decision making body for nato met for over four hours today comprised of 28 ambassadors. ukraine was the topic of discussion. we're still, as i mentioned, waiting for a statement out of that the nato secretary-general had this to say before those meetings began. take a listen. >> what russia is doing now in ukraine violates the principles of the united states charter. it threatens peace and security in europe. russia must stop its military activities and its threats. today we will discuss their implications for european peace and security and for nato's relationship with russia. >>> currently under way a meeting of the nato ukraine commission. th

nato durin.hould reopen negotiation agrees with georgia, ukraine, make clear that they meet the criteria and can be part of europe. that would send a strong signal to these countries, but also by moving them into the western framework, it would bring stability to the region and avoid presenting russia with targets of opportunity to do sort of operation georgia and crimea again in other places. >> back to the question of obama and whether it his credibility is on the line and how he must act. he suggested he is acting. on the other hand, do you believe resident putin -- president putin has made a calculated decision on the president? >> i think the president feels like he has lost ukraine. that was humiliating for president putin. it was humiliating to see ninkovich -- yankovic flee the way he did. this is his response. he is captivating that it is more important to him what happens in crimea than it is to the u.s. in all of ukraine. that is his copulation. it doesn't mean -- this is my personal r

nato.f you tried something like that say with one area that has a significant russian popularity -- population, he would be attacking nato. that would be an entirely different set of circumstances. i have no illusions that in the short term, we will be able to curb mr. putin's ambitions. in the long term, we can curb those ambitions in many ways, but we are becoming more energy independent. the only thing that is putin putin happening up mr.'s is his energy resources -- john thing that is -- the only thing that is putting up mr. putin's -- is his energy resources. >> do you believe canada and romney had it right? >> i'm not sure, but i would point out in 2008 that he is an unreconstructed kgb colonel whose actions is where he finds weakness and he can take advantage of. the restoration is his ambition. we have to be listed and treat it accordingly. -- see it as that and treat it accordingly. we establish alliances. the greatest alliance in my view in history was the nato alliance that was f

of nato.georgia ought to be given an action plan to put them on the road to nato membership. we ought to affirm what was said in 2008 that nato believes ukraine, if it wants, should become part of nato. the eu similarly should begin anand reopen association agreements with georgia, with ukraine, with moldova and make clear that ultimately when they meet the criteria, they can be part of europe. that will send a strong signal to these countries, but also by moving them into the western framework, it will bring stability to the region and avoid presenting russia with targets of opportunity to do sort of operations in georgia and crimea and again in other places. >> charlie: michael, back to the question of obama and whether his credibility is on the line and how he must act and you suggested he's already acted. on the other hand, do you believe that president putin has made a calculated decision about the president? >> i think that president putin feels he lost ukraine a few weeks ago. in fact,

the table was that there's no junior nato members versus senior nato members. obviously there are big and small countries in nato, but when it comes to the commitment to collective defense, everybody is in the same footing. it does mean that we have to make sure that we have put together very real contingency plans for every one of these members, including those who came in out of central and eastern europe, and over the last several years we have worked up a number of these contingency plans. when we meet -- when the ministers meet in april, one of the things that i have suggested to the heads of state and government who are nato members, is that we examine those plans to make sure they are updated; that we do more to ensure that a regular nato presence among some of these states that may feel vulnerable is executed. i think there are ways that we can do that that can be accommodated by our existing assets, but one of the things that i have also said in the past and will repeat again, and i think secretary general rasmussen agrees with me here, is that if we h

and nato may use military force.wing isolation tendency in the united states, isn't there? >> yeah, i think there is. you don't have to be an isolationist to think that nato is not the right vehicle. i disagree with your last guess on that issue. you know, i think that our first issue here is try to avoid a deterioration and there is fighting in crimea and that russian troops will push into eastern ukraine and i think the nato is not going to be helpful in that sphere. we can talk about banking sanctions and other things. i don't know that we have a lot of leverage but nato is not the right thing here. >> what do you think putin would do about pulling his troops out of crimea and into eastern ukraine? >> i'm not sure that much would deter him aside from military force. he's not a man who responds well to diplomacy. sanctions don't seem to be much of a threat in the short term so i don't think there is much that can be done. >> so do we just stand by and watch what happens? is that what you're saying? >> i'm not sure

nato i'm sure will think about it. it's very important to nato. a lot of the nato members were part of the old soviet empire, warsaw pact, baltic states. they are very worried when they see putin absolutely ride rough shot over solemn commitments that he made. that the government of russia made like the budapest memorandum when russia, u.s., britain, guaranteed the borders of ukraine in return for them giving up nuclear weapons. putin is going right through it. people begin to wonder if his word good for anything. >> rose: that's the question. do you believe that president putin believes that president obama is weak and will pass through his red line there for he should be tested? >> no. i don't know whether he believes he should be tested i think there's no question. he has seen so-called reset policy that's led to giving up on the ballistic missile defense, for example. we have created an image around the world not just for the russians of weakness, of indecisiveness. we got already to do something, a lot of the allies sign on, obama backs off.

many of the nato countries want to have the same goal certainly the nato countries the united states england and other european nations have the same goals they've been backing the rebel forces in syria they've been trying to use this civil war as an instrument of regime change which in some ways simply for hundreds of thousands of people did just so they can change the government and so there's no space between turkey and other countries on this so if in fact there was a faction of forces that were looking for a provocation it would also wind up with force in the united states and also in europe who are increasingly warlike and who would like to see more of the western and nato intervention inside of syria and we know that these warmongering forces have been continually agitating all across the united states and in europe and certainly there are forces in turkey that feel the same way. it's not the first time on camera has trying to rally nato against syria and she's more in a port now has a collection of takesh attempts to spark a full blown war with its neighbor with the backing o

does this repurpose nato? in some ways, putin i think, this is all about nato in some ways. this is all about nato getting too close to russia. there is lot of commentary. we've caused crimea. we've caused crimea. we've done this. we pushed too far. we pushed too close to his interests. how does nato have to respond to this? and we're also going to select a new secretary-general of nato. what does that individual need to do? those are some thoughts for you to consider. and now please, colleagues, if you have a question, raise your hand. please identify yourself. speak very loudly in that microphone. because sometimes it's a little hard to hear. keep the questions short so we can get a few in. we're start here, carolyn, with mike. thank you. >> mike musetta, pbs online news hour. do you think these events will fores the e.u. into more strategic thinking? in washington their lack of strategic thinking in kissinger's columns and scowcroft's comments yesterday, the e.u. is a pinata to bash on. if not full strategic thinking, will it at least increase communications which are for

ukraine is not a member of nato, but a partner nation, so it's unclear what nato would do if russia movesof crimea and into eastern ukraine. i'm joined by a senior lecturer at kings college london. thank you so much for being with us here on the show. if this escalates any further what is the next move? are we likely to see nato move on russian forces? >> i think it's highly unlikely that nato will [ inaudible ] anyway ukraine. because there is still a window for diplomacy, and also nato understands that what is at stake is basically world peace, global security, so i doubt if nato really finds it a proper way [ inaudible ]. i think it's more likely nato to declare [ inaudible ] towards the ukrainian government, but nothing more than justice towards the ukrainian government. >> we have been hearing from the west and eu side of it, and they tend to paint rush as the big bad neighbor. is this justified? >> in that part of the world [ inaudible ] russia is a country that has been invaded many, many times by neighboring countries, so that means that the country is suffering from what i call s

this is a big challenge for nato, a big challenge for the u.s., who is the leader of nato.ot to go to war with russia over ukraine. george w. bush decided not togo to war with russia over georgia, a similar thing. ukraine is a bigger, more important country, but nato has to make it clear that this can't go any further. >> charles? >> it's not enough to say it makes no sense. obviously, obama is thinking something. and i think steve is absolutely right. he is simply completely unserious about the gravity of the situation. he says our role is to use our diplomatic resources so we've got a strong international coalition that sends a clear message. the united states is not western union. the united states is the leader of the western alliance. he doesn't seem to understand that. while he's working on the brackets for the ncaa, things are not stable. the russians today, as you reported, took over essentially the headquarters of the ukrainian navy. the ukrainians have tossed in the towel. they're going to withdraw their forces. they have given up on crimea. the question is, will

nato countries want to last and certainly the nato countries the united states england and other conditions. the single back in the rebel forces in syria to try to use this civil war as an instrument of regime change which didn't stop was the one hundred thousand people dead. just so they can change the government and so there's no space between turkey and other nato countries on this so it did back there was a patch of forces that were looking for new proposition but also whether it was in the united states and also in europe who are increasingly worldwide who would like to see more of the day of the west and nato intervention inside syria. we know that the sport. it was as it continually agitating all across the united states and europe and certainly their forces in turkey that feel the same one. this time on car was trying to run in a saturday scenery at auntie's rampart not have a collection of technician at times to spot a full blown war with the state that within the camp and nine. turkey has one of syria's fiercest critics has led calls for an international intervention not only that

nato nations never standalone.atrol theplanes skies over the baltics and we have reinforced our presence in poland. we are prepared to do more. every member state of nato must step up and carry its share of the burden. willst show the political in our defense. just a portion of what was a 40 minute address in brussels. you can dial in at -- if you are watching this program outside the united states -- should the u.s. expect more from europe and nato? we are getting your comments on our facebook page. this is from richard smith -- lee is joining us from windsor, new york. welcome to our conversation. when they try to create a bill that you don't know who wrote it, most likely lobbyists, to push through natural gas has thewhen the ukraine abilities to develop it, is this relief ukraine or doesn't bypass environmental laws in the united states where the epa and dep are not providing the task -- the tests necessary to test the impact. i think this is disaster politics. you can declare a disaster and then push through l

for nato with the us president as saying that there are two sizes going on. the us senate expected later in the day to approve sanctions and eight for ukraine. they dropped provisions that would tie the package to imf reforms with so much to the delight of republican hawks. and i also speak again. in the strongest terms that we need to send military assistance to this country we need to help them defend themselves. russian troops are massed on the border of eastern ukraine as we speak i don't know whether vladimir who will go in eastern ukraine. i get predicted he would go in the crimea. now i believe he is watching carefully. but the reaction. the west led by the united states of america mr carr one of our discussion we still she said that six percent of americans support military intervention to make john mccain a one man army. why is there remains that day he's got a very small choir behind. that and only about a quarter of the would support even a strong economic siege over half the eye does not want to get involved in ukraine. so one of the time that cha

there are things we can do to strengthen nato in the east where nato is. that would be to strengthen our forward defendantses in latvia, estonia, lithuania and go back to the missile defense agreement in poland. i agree with that. on the clip you just played, i don't think it's fair to blame president obama for what's happening in ukraine. it's not his fault that putin has committed an act of violation of international law, but i do think it's an opportunity for the president now to be the leader of nato, to rally nato to defend itself, the nato countries and to try to get effective assistance into ukraine and leave the opposition politically to putin around the world. we ought to be asking our allies in asia and partners in the middle east to stand up and be critical of the russian government. the nato alliance is the united states and this is an opportunity for president obama to do that. >> ambassador burns, governor richardson, good to have you both on the show. appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you, thank you. >> for more on ukraine an

of patriot missile batteries along the border with syria and what could lead to nato action article five of the alliances charter says an attack on any member shall be considered an attack on all well it's a conservative policy on the part of the north atlantic treaty organization nato which turkey is a part of has been a part of the us since the early one nine hundred fifty s. it appears that was the strategy was to provoke an attack from syrian territory on to turkey therefore providing a rationale to draw in the support of the united states and perhaps israel as well as britain and other states that are part of the nato alliance certainly nato members share turkey's sentiments about the syrian government both openly support the rebels in their fight against damascus and as for how far turkey will go a new leak on you tube seems to offer some insight on that it's a great peek into the way governments operate and how they join up wars that they would like to have happen and blame them on somebody else a lot of these insurgents were trained in american military bases and air force b

nato nations never stand alone. today, nato plains patrol the skies over the baltics and we've reinforced our presence in poland and we're prepared to do more. going forward, every nato member state must step up and carry its share of the burden by showing the political will to invest in our collective defense. and by developing the capabilities to serve as a source of international peace and security. of course, ukraine is not a member of nato. in part because of its close and complex history with russia. nor will russia be dislodged from crimea or deterred from further escalation by military force. but with time, so long as we remain united, the russian people will recognize that they cannot achieve a security, prosperity, and the status that they seek through brute force. that's why throughout this crisis, we will combine our substantial pressure on russia with an open door for diplomacy. i believe that for both ukraine and russia, a stable peace will come through deescalation, direct dialogue between russia and

does this repurpose nato? in some ways, putin i think, this is all about nato in some ways. this is all about nato getting too close to russia. there is lot of commentary. we've caused crimea. we've caused crimea. we've done this. we pushed too far. we pushed too close to his interests. how does nato have to respond to this? and we're also going to select a new secretary-general of nato. what does that individual need to do? those are some thoughts for you to consider. and now please, colleagues, if you have a question, raise your hand. please identify yourself. speak very loudly in that microphone. because sometimes it's a little hard to hear. keep the questions short so we can get a few in. we're start here, carolyn, with mike. thank you. >> mike musetta, pbs online news hour. do you think these events will fores the e.u. into more strategic thinking? in washington their lack of strategic thinking in kissinger's columns and scowcroft's comments yesterday, the e.u. is a pinata to bash on. if not full strategic thinking, will it at least increase communications which are for

her stand on the world lead nato. say sorry. welcome bond this is that we can all see international this week barack obama insisted most reunification with crimea is one less than america's invasion of iraq he also denies the you honestly europe influence the recent ukrainian crew describing it as a triumph of democracy and then chicken takes a look at the inconsistences from the white house. in president obama's view while protesters at my dung did have a right to overthrow a democratically elected leader each of us has the right to live as we choose the people of crimea did not have the right to vote on their future together we've condemned russia's invasion of ukraine and rejected the legitimacy of the crimean referendum according to president obama the u.s. was a mere observer to the revolution in kiev make no mistake neither the united states nor europe has any interest in controlling ukraine one wonders if u.s. officials got the same message when they descended on the streets of kiev to cheer on the revolution and when mem

but ukraine is not part of nato. you have 30,000 russian troops on the eastern border of ukraine, this crisis expanding and getting worse. a lot of people here in europe are very, very nervous about the security situation. the president is trying to calm some of those nerves, elizabeth. >> we'll bring you the president's speech and our ambassador john bolton. >>> in the moan time 36 so far to date delay. monday's dead line is pushed back for two weeks for people needing to finish the application due to problems with the website. verifying the information will be based on the honor system. dave is a adviser for u.s. news and world report. what is the white house intent here,troing to get close to the 7 million? what is behind this? >> this is not the first time the obama administration moved the goal post. it was on the rolling out of the spanish language website. and in 2015 it is pushed back beyond the 2014 midterm election. and not a surprise. and frankly i think they are trying to be practical and trying to accomm

dined with nato bombs. washington says it was faulty information that led to the targeting of the building it was a tragic mistake a tragic mistake it was a mistake but no more than that despite its most like an attack on the chinese embassy in belgrade night zero says it will continue its air war against yugoslavia . to be a bombing. concert began i don't it means no cd there concerts everything many people carried strong banners condemning the military action against yugoslavia thousands of people there with and from the beginning of the bridge to the end then it's more than one kilometer long. yeah and they would just hold hands and sing and just say like their old guy get it not just the great it's all of us and they thought that they would stop nato from bombing. the bridges . that you had experience with put a strain being bombed when it was crossing a brace and then a bus and then kids playing on a bridge it's time i missed the target because to them these were legitimate targets infrastructure becau

nato countries will soon learn how to go to the nato countries the u states england and other conditions. the single statement that the rebel forces in syria to try to use this civil war as an instrument of regime change which it ends up with something. that just make it to the government. so there's no space between turkey and other nato countries on this so it back there was a patch of forces that were looking for a provocation. it would also wonder what was in the united states and also in europe who are increasingly worldwide who would like to see more of a the west and nato intervention inside syria. we know that the four hundred forces have been continually agitating the united states and in europe and certainly other forces in turkey that you'll be saying what. the sign on the ground trying to run a nation again serie a team and prepare to take his previous attempts to spark a full blown war but did say that but the blocking of that line turkey has one of syria's fiercest critics has led calls for an international intervention not only that it's persistently providing the reasons

there was a nato meeting yesterday. another nato meeting today.d it is sending 35 observers to ukraine. the other forums that the united states is part of, they are also meeting. the u.n. has had one security council meeting. i suspect there will be more and other activities along the diplomatic and economic front. earlier this week, i directed the department of defense to suspend all military to military engagements and exercises with russia. in particular, that includes two tri-lateral exercises that we had scheduled with the russians, one canadians and the russians, the other with the norwegians and the russians. also this morning, the defense department is pursuing measures to support our allies, including stepping up joint training through our aviation detachment in poland. it is an area that i visited a few weeks ago. augmenting our participation in nato's air policing mission on the baltic peninsula. our yukon commander is convenienting central and eastern european chiefs of defense. mr. chairman, i think everyone on this committee knows, a

so for example nato russia council was established the nato national founding act they always c e o was beefed up and finally we agreed on a common strategy for upon european security space was all dividing lines and was geopolitical zero sum games we also agreed on an adapted see if you treaty so that was well and try and up to two thousand and one something after two years of thousand and one went wrong ok jeffrey i'd like to go back to you in london is nato really at the heart of this conflict that some people call a new cold war because it is the auld remembers what we had before nato and then what was packed it dissolved itself and now russia is on the other side is nato the problem. i think the problem is on both sides i think both the west and russia have made very serious mistakes during the twenty years since the end of the cold war and i can't agree with you that russia didn't invade crimea it organized a military occupation of crimea of course some of the soldiers were there already but the fact is they took over in military manner well to the light by treaty by treaty ar

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bam ba ambassador to nato. i don't really see any military role and i certainly don't see any united nations' security council role. so are these two elements, nato and the u.n. security council, really relevant right now? >> well, the security council, wolf, as you say correctly, it can't be effective because the russians would veto anything that is not in their interest. nato is important because putin does need to realize they can strengthen that alliance to protect the current members. >> but there's no real military -- nato military option. the nato allies are not going to send troops into crimea or into ukraine? >> no. no. none whatsoever. and i think, again, president obama has made the right decision here. we do not have a formal, as you know, security obligation to ukraine and it doesn't make sense to add fuel to the fire here. we have to be the more mature party. the nato countries looking at the reckless aggressive behavior of putin and we've got to be smarter in using our economic and political leve

the nato countries want to let a single certainly the nato countries the united states england and other conditions. the single statement backing the rebel forces in syria to try to use this civil war as an instrument of regime change which in itself was unbelievable. they're just so they can change the government and so there's no space between turkey and other nato countries on this so it back there was a batch of forces that were looking for a provocation. it would also wonder what was in the united states and also in europe or decrease in the world i would like to see more of a b westerns and n syre know that these moral forces have been continually agitating all across the united states and in europe and certainly other forces in turkey that feel the same way. se is not using a un probe into taking sen as planned provocation and cut has always been supportive of the intervention and syria to help the rebels then topple the government of the shah said. i would not be the first time it's tried to justify possible manage the action. he's going to put my imports. turkey has one of syria

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with nato, russia and the ukraine are partners with nato. point for these partnerships are to build confidence and to help the countries to have transparency, get their militaries to get to know each other and work with nato so everyone is aware of what's going on and don't feel threatened by one another. these relations, this is how to describe them the way they were before russian troops seized their territory. >> a lot has changed. do you feel like nato the next step should be? >> poont says it has received his personal priority. the russians initiated exercise in the baltics and in koliningrad. i think president obama and the other heads of state of nato should have an emergency nato summit in warsaw to show the rest of the allies in the region they are standing by them during this crisis. i think nato should deploy a few hundred members of the nato response force to eastern poland to make sure that the borders are defended. >> do you not worry that could further escalate this crisis when you talk about deploying soldiers to boarders? >>

the tried to engage russia more closely with nato through the nato plus one talks with russia. has brought russia the wto will stop the argument goes -- we did not choose the kremlin should stand down on free expression and take actions against its political opponents. why did not create the oligarchs and russia -- russians did that. it is a great healthy debate, and looking back is useful so we do not get things wrong in the future. but we are where we are, and we are in a situation where the west would still like to engage with nato. nato is not as defensive an alliance as putin would like to paint it otherwise. now we have to do with the russia that we haven't over the short term, we have a situation that is quite dangerous, but in the medium term, we have a country that is written resources, and like, and capabilities, which would be a wonderful partnership to the west and in many respects a natural partner for the west going forward, so it is quite important that we navigate this for a dangerous moment in the right way because ultimately it strikes me if you look at where

the nato eastern numbers -- i can't even say the word on tv. let me say this about the fact that this government and all of the european leaders as well, certain members of nato. they had the opportunity to act decisively and to the russian government about intervening in the ukraine. people forget that back on february's next, the kremlin said they may be forced to intervene because of what they described as u.s. motivated demonstrations and unrest in tm. but the reality is that none of those authorities paid attention to you, that it's soon as these games are ended lattimer koon will invade the ukraine. you are right. and we don't even hear the discussion at what intelligence was available to the administration why they are showing cassady rather than action. >> i can tell you that we have very good intelligence on us. i can't tell you it made it to the president. because the gate keepers don't want them here anything that is uncomfortable. but i don't want to blame the intelligence committee because i know for fact they were doing their jobs