but and what nato should be doing i thought nato is primary purposes of defense of nato i think out a very missions are a bit of a distraction and i particularly think if you look at the contributions of the nato states and what they bring to the table out of area missions are are actually just practically unrealistic so we might actually agree that that the moving out of area missions was a mistake for nato and i would agree with you but to say that that fundamentally nato is purpose is different than it was when it was formed i don't actually believe that's a debatable point i'm sorry ok but it is different because it's because they too was formed to confront the documents than from the warsaw pact. pact no longer exists what is nato protecting europe against soviet tanks not about to roll into the streets of paris they'd never get to the traffic. there is no meaningful threat russia threatens no one except herself occasionally and if you're going to confront a threat going forward it's not going to be from russia it'll probably be from china at some point but i don't think nato i

as nato turns sixty five. his recent operations into its defense mission and ask whether the crisis in ukraine is being used to pave the way to further expansion. the presidential elections looming afghanistan's shattered economy faces an uphill struggle against rampant corruption the swallowing the vast majority of foreign aid and the i.m.f. warns that the economic troubles for crisis hit be crying with skyrocketing prices and harsh policies. that it's good to have you company you watching.

i think economic speaks louder than military might at this point frankly nato the use of nato forces has been almost ineffective. like the interesting five candles on his birthday cake the most time to look at head we can look back we can see what's called right what's gone wrong let's look ahead what should we be doing for the next sixty five years maybe. well i think nato needs to basically phase out. its usefulness has over the years since the end of the cold war has shown that it is ineffective if you take yugoslavia for example it was it was. here was an episode that occurred right in the europe's backyard they couldn't deal with it they couldn't handle it until the united states finally came in did some bombing and all of a sudden it became an american war and we've the united states has got to avoid that kind of thing and it's just it shows that nato is not effective at all in this current day and age former pentagon official thanks for bringing our to international pleasure to see you thank you for nato has been using the ongoing crisis in ukraine isn't mentioned before is ju

position has been started the western vision of been a bit of a fear that this could weaken nato nato has a lot of other functions besides dealing with russia and they're concerned about or hurting those there is. in a way there are of course members of nato some of them are countries had a bad experience of russia on the oh they're very very eager to develop close relations with russia and so i mean i see the russian objection and it's true but i don't see an easy way to solve this and i don't think what we've seen the last few months is going to make any easier to solve well what is love i would agree with richard it's going to actually be a lot harder now and this is one of the things i find very interesting the self-determination issue of crimea for me it's a red herring it's should have been part of russia all along the process there's many many arguments that can be made in. i would listen to those arguments here but what is left is are we in a new era now has its things really changed because i think we could say georgia two thousand and eight was a warning and this time when t

nato has played a critical role. president obama reaffirmed during his recent trip to europe that our commitment to nato is -- more simple it -- forced is the most important element to national security. this alliance is the organizing framework for allies to work together to manage crises. it provides an integrated military structure to support alliance political decisions to take actions and it represents our common values. collective defense remains the essential glue that holds the alliance together. keeping nato strong is critical to ensuring the alliance is prepared to meet the nearly continuous crises it has responded to over the past two decades. ukraine incursion into underscores this point, and it comes at a critical time. allies will have to balance multiple competing issues and priorities. we must transition the alliance from its combat mission in afghanistan, nato's largest and most complicated mission ever. we must work to strengthen the relationship between nato and its most capable partners who have c

treaty 4 of the nato treaty because they felt threatened. they are looking at this in a way that directly affects security, and they are looking to all their nato allies to assure them that if it comes to it, they will be defended here you >> there is an informal agreement between nato and moscow that there would not be permanent nato bases on some of those warmer soviet satellites satellites.viet could that change now? >> i think one of the issues that must be looked at, and i hope the military commanders will look at, was to change that status. it is really not any longer in our interest or nato's interest to permanently ban the stationing of troops. >> that would be highly controversial with moscow, would it not? pick ofps moscow should that before they invade other countries and take part of their territory and annex them. >> thank you for joining us. little sympathy for moscow it seems at the moment. in washington, the new ceo of general motors was called before congress to answer for her companies long delay before it recalled cars wit

some analysts claim nato has become merely a branch of u.s. foreign policy with washington's economic interests ultimately determining the course the alliance takes i am all for international law i think we badly need it if we want to live in a world of peaceful coexistence but the question is what is left of international law after sixty five years of interventions dozens of interventions of the internal affairs of other countries. and of a series of illegal wars what united states needs is a world where its national corporations have privileged access to the world's markets rather than couple exports. there is also. control of the world's energy resources and raw materials. war and the threat of war has always been one of the means true which the united states. secured this access to markets resources and nato has always been one of the tools. of this policy so let's have a look at how much money is being poured into the alliance despite limited cuts in recent years nato defense spending accounts for more than half of the global total at ove

within nato and forces around. and this is completely within nato's right to do this. i do not think that this would be overly provocative to russia. what it would do is it would reinforce to the nato allies and to russia itself is that nato is very can committed to its article 5 protections to nato members. now as far as providing assistance of any kind to ukraine, ukraine is outside of nato, of course but the united states, and other countries on a bilateral basis have told ukraine that they support ukraine at this time. the united states and russia and ukraine signed a budapest agreement back in 1984 which also commiteach country to not only respect the borders of ukraine but also to support ukraine if it needed that help. now the question is: what form will that help take? it is almost guaranteed that that form will not be military forces from the united states or from the west going into ukraine but there are other forms of military assistance we could provide. >> making the noise about this is all about nato

nato has played a huge role. president obama said it is the most important commit: and this alliance that celebrated their 56th anniversary last week represents our common values. whatever other missions nato al lies agree to, collective defense, the article five commandment remains the glue that holds the alliance together. keeping them strong means they can respond to the issues over the last decades. russia is underlining this point very well. at this summit, allies have to balance priorities. we must transition the alliance from the combat in afghanistan to the train advice and submission. we must work to strengthen the relationship between nato and capable partners from libya to afghanistan. and we must reenergy the polit will of our allies to invest. this goal is complicated by the evolving threat picture and the european economic crisis that has forced too many allies to cut spending. but the ukraine prices is a clear proof point of why we need nato to step up. russia's action in ukraine are reminding us o

so just how much money is poured into nato. as we can see here is more than hoff of the planet's defense spending that's more than a trillion dollars a year nato expenditure dwarfs out of the powers most often betrayed as potential threats washington's not can turn though and if its european allies to spend much more on the militaries charlier from the school of international affairs says that washington is using ukraine to justify demanding great to catch. americans want the europeans to foot more of the bill and they're trying to feed the europeans the western europeans and the central europeans with the fear of russia in order to go over them and push them into spending more on the military and taking more of the burden tearing of metal but the reality has asserted before is that since the cold war has ended twenty five years ago it's impossible to try and scare the europeans to the point where they're all fall in line as well the american. in one nato has been using the ongoing crisis in ukraine as a justification for those

what we need is a clear sign of nato's unity and we need to make sure that all individual nato member states feel at ease. >> new nato military plans will now be devise. officials say they could be completed in weeks. >> this is nato's first meeting since the crimean crisis began. let's bring in our correspondent who is following the summit for us. what new deterrent could nato put in place in eastern europe? >> the statement tonight from nato says they will implement immediate and longer-term measures to strengthen ukraine's ability to provide for its own security. that means help on the ground. that means sending extra nato staff to the office in kiev to reinforce that. it does not mean anything in a military sense at the moment, but it certainly doesn't mean providing ukraine with the help it needs to improve its capacity development, it's asset numbers. in other words, just to reinforce and reassure the whole neighborhood, the baltic neighborhood, that things are being done by nato short of military intervention. they will be bolstering ukraine's defense reform program . >> still,

- nato force members. our international affairs editor has more on the effect the crisis is having in ukraine on nato. >> in the short-term ukrainian crisis has invigorated nato, which has been in search for a new identity for a long time. in the long-term nato does not have an answer to the russian tactics of engineering or perpetuating frozen conflicts in space. these frozen conflicts prevents accepting new members because those countries caught cannot becomeries members of nato. it looks like a crimea is becoming the latest in this series of frozen conflicts. we should also remember nato has a lot of issues to deal with closer to home, much closer to ukraine or georgia. if we can look at a map of nato members, there were 26 of them. i have the members in pink. you can see there is quite a big gap around the middle of the white. we have serbia, kosovo, and macedonia. those are not members of nato even though they are in europe. all those entities have problems with nato or unresolved risk that unresolved

both of those were really about the expansion of nato. the expansion of nato membership into the very countries there where there had been a commitment not to go to the top has now grown to nine countries in eastern europe the balkans and three with under the new year to publix so. and very much of the plant in ukraine from the very beginning. why does he use into the space lab and economic de stabilization political pressure to militarily grab hold of the ukraine and the israeli also an african every stands to oust of mush and enable of power and pace from crimea because if the ukraine became becomes a nato member then they would. right along with that agreement would be an end to the russian olive base and the crimea. so this is very much. i've planned out policy by the us and in bonds of sanctions economic stabilization and arming of fascist and right wing groupings that was used in yugoslavia the stasi forces in croatia where two hundred thousand serbs were expelled from kuwait shut up. in the lead up to the wars in the region. so wha

georgia is interested in becoming a nato partner. that would present a very interesting dynamic to russia. ukraine is a little bit early. they have not moved in that direction. russia certainly does not want to see ukraine become a nato partner. but i think moving in that direction would be exactly what russia does not want to see happen. it would be interesting from the point of view of trying to counter what russia is doing today if there were more interest in more common defense, such as nato, in regard to that region. i would like to get your views as to nato expansion. europe has been reluctant on nato expansion unrelated to the russian crisis. there will be a meeting later this year in which there will be considerations of countries who are -- for nato accession. what are your views in making it clear to russia that we are very serious about protecting the territorial integrity of countries in the region? >> thank you, senator, for the question. you're right, one fundamental question is what does russia want, and europe does no

and we hope by wales all nato members will have increased their commitments to nato, to nato's reassurance efforts and to their own defense budgets. it puts this back in sharp relief once again, because shared security has to be a shared responsibility, and as the -- excuse me -- as isaf and the mission in afghanistan comes to an end, we need to invest in training and maintaining the expertise that we've collectively built. we need to continue to build on the security capacity of our partners outside of nato. and we have to tackle threats together. economically, people on both sides of the atlantic are hungering for greater economic opportunity. that's why i'm such a strong supporter of the president's initiative of trans-atlantic trade and investment partnership. it will be tough, but it is necessary. it is necessary. it will create growth in jobs. it will strengthen the global trading system and make us both stronger at home so we can be strong around the world together. and when it comes to energy, russia should not be able to use its resource as a political weapon against its neighbors

nato membership or nato proximity is very much an issue for russia. one of the things they are calling for -- now, whether they are going to actually push for this, is that ukraine becomes a neutral country. that they get assurances that ukraine will never become a part of nato. ukraine is not a member of nato, as you said. but obviously nato troops in ukraine conducting exercises, whether this is within ukraine's rights or not, will probably be -- russia will see this as something they would rather not see. perhaps they might even take some political or diplomatic action. >> thank you. earlier russia announced it is putting up the price of gas by a third. until now, ukraine's gas supply as come at a discounted rate. the price increase will be another financial headache which until now made consumers may a quarter of what the gas costs. they have been telling us about what the change in gas price will mean. >> reporter: the agreements will set were made in december. it stresses that ukraine is simply not paying out. the debt of ukraine stands at $1.7

side on the nato side and i think you heard this earlier with with the nato spokesman we have to quickly find ways to back away from what has been said it's the silliest and the most idiotic decision and statement that could have been made while moscow remains in a timeout nido is expected to step up cooperation with ukraine's armed forces by training officers joint exercises and promoting reforms right on russia's doorstep i think nato had always said that the cooperation with russia. matter of security because if you look at it if you look at the underlying reasons that if you look at their actions and reactions it's never been about security it's been about containing russia's growth question is will nato be able to contain the growth of terrorism drug trafficking and the spread of biological warfare all on its own marina point r.t. critics of nato say its mission is outdated and it's no longer making the world a safer place while the urns was created to counter the military power of the soviet union but keeping nato running today does come at a huge price as these figures show more t

nato is now revised.oing to have to deal with a nato that is not only back in business but eastern states like estonia and poland are going to want a bigger say in the situation. he is creating more headaches than he is solving. are. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and here are a few more key events in the week ahead. on tuesday vment jo vice preside biden visits ukraine. friday an international rifle association starts its annual convention. still ahead on al jazeera america thousands of children making a dangerous journey all alone. what they face on the border into the united states, looking for abetter are life. >> i'll show you where did strongest thunderstorms are right now and what's coming tomorrow, next. >> all this week, trades near the speed of light... >> if you're not trading at those speeds, you're toast! >> billions of dollars at stake, is our economy insecurity now at the mercy of these machines? >> humans aren't able to receive information in that timeframe. >> w

second world war will stop is nato actually up to the job? -- the second world war. is nato actually up to the job? >> in the past, they have been to the sort of things before. to the a real challenge sort of institutions they have established, the partnership for peace that ukraine is a part of, agreements that have been agreed to with ukraine and russia and nato and the eu back in 1997. this is a real test of the international order and nato needs to be up front. >> it isn't part of the problem, but russia is not playing by the old rules anymore. >> they are trying to reestablish what they lost. and that is why i think you need a plan b. i was hope it would not come down -- i was hoping it would not come down to military ground action, but you have to ask the starton, if ukrainian fighting and dying to regain their sovereignty, what are you going to do? and that may happen shortly. >> the questions still to come. thank you for joining us. in other news, the pakistani taliban have announced that they will not extend the cease-fire they began

dominated nato to surround russia. i think they're on the run here and the intent is to create a greater and greater insert and russia by moving nato forces. even countries that are former republics of the soviet union region agreement to build a missile defense system against threats from iran and other places has broken down and now you have a unilateral u.s. nato military. defense system where. the brooders of russia in fact right now in the black sea in rumania nato itself is going through a change of leadership with a form in the wee jim prime minister said to become its new secretary general you can log onto our home to find out more about the man and with the law it's about market sixty fifth anniversary join us for special coverage this friday. despite a nationwide insurgency terrorism less than savory election tactics the u.s. is hoping afghanistan's presidential vote will start a new era for the country but today that seems a very ambitious goal currently cobbles government is heavily bankrolled by the white

nato. so nato enlargement, in fact, has not posed a threat. it has bolstered russia's security, and yet nato enlargement was cited in the 2010 military doctrine as the gravest danger to russia, which is utter nonsense. there may be a psychology about this. maybe we haven't sat down on the couch with them to understand this. but we actually have promoted greater security and stability in europe through nato enlargement. the issue about extremism, let's remember that russia's attack and war against chechens in 1994, 1996, and again in 1999, and the suspicions of the chechens were behind the bombings in 1999, they're the ones who created the extremist threat through the slaughter of chechens, indiscriminate slaughter through the bombs that were dropped. russia has nobody else to blame for this extremist threat than russia itself, than the way yeltsin approached it both times and then putin took it over. that's how putin came to power, let's not forget. the point tom made about ukraine, neutral

na nato. russian troops masked near the border are well placed to take trance nesta that declared independence from the rest of mull dough va. let's take you to paris now. we can speak to nick from the european union institute for security studies. thank you so much for joining us. do you think russia has other areas in its sights now? >> well, it's quite the obvious that if the crimea venture does not cost russia much, then in a few months or a few years, russia might have incentives and try to repeat its venture in crimea. it can be mull dough va, georgia, tphorblgt kazakhstan. which is why it is important to make sure the crimea situation has prohibitive costs in order to avoid repeat of the situation in the future. >> you talk about prohibitive costs. what do you think they should be deciding on today with its meetings in brussels in terms of ways it can stop russia? >> if you want a comparison russia is a good sprint runner. it can deploy quickly military and take economic sanctions or at

and russia nato has suspended its cooperation with russia his relations regarding the future. read more on that coming out. anz indies team local residents headed to the polls a primary candidate from the city scandal plagued me or keep his job more on today's election leader and shout. it's moved a people person. in washington d c i'm irritated if you're watching our team aircraft. why would i as appearing man fled the us government and the for years about aspects of a controversial interrogation program concealing details of harsh treatment a detainee is this is all according to a report released by the washington post that were until the boss of the u s officials who have already seen a forthcoming senate intelligence committee report is expected to expose the prop the program according to us officials remain anonymous the sixty three hundred page report includes would be described as disclosures regarding the sprawling network of secret detention facilities or black sites the sites were ultimately dismantle by president obama in two thousand nine of the four men prisoners

following nato as more of the u.s. space agency nasa also cut ties with moscow and are said to employees say there are a frame from contacting russian counterparts and aren't allowed to visit the country until further notice. as more. this expansion includes nasa travel to russia and visits by russian government representatives to nasa facilities bilateral meetings email law and teleconferences or video conferences at the present time of the operational international space station activities have been exempted in addition multilateral meetings held outside of russia that may include russian participation are not precluded under the present guidance so as we understand joint work with the international space station will continue and meetings are possible but on a neutral territory u.s. astronauts are currently on board the says their mission will not be affected we understand the launch of this so used to walk it on april ninth will not be affected either but washington definitely giving russia the cold shoulder it's f

. >> this warning came as a nato summit wrapped up in brussels. moscow says that it's reviving cold war rhetoric and that suspending cooperation with moscow would help neither side. >> rasmussen struck a defiant tone when it came to russia, telling nato ministers that moscow had only one goal -- to restore its sphere of influence in the former soviet union, and he warned russia not to escalate the situation. >> if russia were to intervene further in ukraine, i would not hesitate to call it an historic mistake. it would be a miscalculation with huge strategic implications. >> he did not set out what consequences a russian invasion would have, but he made it clear moscow had no veto over the alliance. he suggested that georgia, which fought a war in russia in 2008, could aspire to nato membership. >> our support for georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders remains unequivocal. we continue to support georgia's euro atlantic aspirations. >> nato membership for georgia and ukraine is a redline for th

more to ensure that the regular nato presence. up among some of these states that may feel vulnerable. is executed that it stated that the motivating force behind the movies to guarantee europe's security the security. creating more expectations for easter and more the contrast between what the us as a whip made of dust became most obvious in the nineteen nineties when the millet realign started extending eastwards. despite a promise given to moscow before the collapse of the soviet union. we are ready now to the sudanese army i'd say the german tuner tree gives the soviet union the firm security guarantee fast for twenty four years the accession of eastern european countries in nato was one of the greatest success stories of our time but the task is not yet complete. in nineteen ninety when the commitment was made to moscow not to expand sixteen nations were part of nato. later twelve more joint all of them got it close to the russian front here. more members could be underway we're talking about the stench of global military one

nato of course has played a critical role. president obama reaffirmed during his recent trip to europe that our commitment to nato at its most important element the u.s. national security as well as european security. this alliance which sold its 65th anniversary last week is the organizing framework for allies to work together to manage crises. it provides an integrated military structure to support outlines political decisions to take action and represents our common values. whatever other missions nato allies agreed to, collective defense, article v commitment remains the essential glue that holds the alliance together. keeping nato strong is critical to ensuring the alliance is prepared to make the nearly continuous crises that it responded to over the past two decades. russia's incursion in ukraine underscores this point. it comes at a critical time when allies are preparing for the nato summit this september and was. allies want to balance multiple competing issues and priorities. first we must transition to linux in afg

our nato allies need to demonstrate their support. nato allies are going to demonstrate support. i don't think the russian threat, if i can put it that way, extends actually to nato members. >> what about trans -- >> it's different. the focus on ukraine is not accidental. for russia, ukraine is the country closest to them. slavic brother. long historic and other links. i constantly compare the ukrainian russian link to the scottish english link. they feel very special about ukraine. therefore they are determined ukraine should not slide off into nato and into membership of the eu. that's what all this is about. if in the negotiations that are coming up they can get assurances to that effect, then one rather hopes a deal can be done. >> let's talk about that deal. because this is your language as a diplomat. is there a way out of this for president putin in which he would also save face? >> there is. i don't think he really wants to occupy ukraine. crimea was very different for sort of historical reasons. if he occupies east ukraine he's faced with massive deteriorations in his re

its earlier with with a nato spokesman. we have to quickly find ways to back away from what has been said. it's the silly hats and the most idiotic decision and statement that has been a bit while moscow remains in a time now to nato is expected to step up cooperation with ukraine's armed forces. it's the rawness the room during the exercises and promoting reforms. right on russia's doorstep. nathan has always said that the operation was set in an address to secure a seat that he can continue to look at the underlying reasons that if you look at their actions than the auctions. security is about containing rice is a question is will nato people to contain the growth of terrorism drug trafficking and the spread of biological warfare all on its own marina when i am. our team. so seems like it should show the massive costs of global security by itself and catch that american and european taxpayers it open with britain from above build no doubt would halt the wolves defence spending of five one three trillion dollars is pulled

, that's an attack on all nato allies, given article five of nato, he's not going to be that reckless're not dealing with somebody who has the same rationale thought process we may have thought even two years ago. he's made decisions based on what he thinks the position of both nato and the u.s. are. and currently, he is not certain that that will evoke a nato response. we're having a hard time getting our european allies even centered around sanctions on what his actions in ukraine and georgia. they've walked away from the nato talks with georgia because of the invasion in south ossetia in georgia. >> that was back in 2008. >> they said they wouldn't be there long. they built full-time bases for their fsb officers along the borders. i have been on the border and seen these sites. they have schools, they have playgrounds. these are not temporariry facilities, they're there for good. i think all the indicators led putin to believe he can be more bold, a lot more aggressive. there's judst not a lot nato an the u.s. can do. you don't want to push this too far. i think this is a good step