you depend on nato.llegations that russia is behind some of the hacking we have seen, does that say anything to you about the status of u.s.-russia relations? guest: russia has adopted a hostile approach toward the u.s. and nato for some time. , and asas also adopted water mayor putin said, he the soviet loss of union and does not believe the eu should exist. he has used russian means, whether it is business deals, bribery, intelligence services, drop again i, anything he can use to try to influence politics and decision-making inside nato countries. we have seen it in germany, hiring the chancellor of germany to become the head of a north stream gas project. we have seen other sweet business deals that have benefited politicians. russia provided funding to marine le pen's party in france. they have been creative and aggressive at trying to influence politics, and part of that is the cyber world. we saw them use cyber attacks when they invaded georgia. cyber attacks against estonia after they moved a sta

there is no nato in the pacific. there is no central organization were everybody goes and sees everybody one-on-one. wheres an opportunity more nations take part than any other exercise. it is a major opportunity for people to meet each other, to talk to each other, to get to know each other, and to build a foundation for relationships to grow throughout the year. >> one of the groups that comes is the chinese. what do they bring to the show this year? >> the chinese are very enthusiastic about this. time theyhe first came. the russians used to come. but things have changed there, but the chinese are back for the second time. they come with a sizable contingent. they are the largest group of ships. missile destroyer, a brand-new supply ship, a southern rescue ship, and a hospital ship, the ghost too many international events. >> some in congress have been saying for the past two years that we should not be inviting the chinese. we should be punishing them for the aggressive actions they have shown in the pacific. the

laura: is that enough of a contribution to nato -- from nato to the fight against the islamic state? stavridis: it is insufficient. we need a total of at least 15,000 to 20,000 troops involved in this fight. right now, in total we probably have half of that, maybe 10,000 total, and that's being generous. so i think nato needs to put more troops on the ground, probably another 10,000. that will be a heavy lift for nato, but the things i outlined, they will just be a step in that direction. laura: on the question of russian aggression in ukraine, how do you expect nato to respond to that? yet more forces on the eastern boarder? admiral stavridis: no question. i think that our eastern allies, the baltic states, estonia, latvia, lithuania, poland, romania, all the states that were formerly part of either the soviet union or part of the warsaw pact, are extremely nervous. they watch russia first invade georgia in 2008, then ukraine in 2014, and annexing crimea. they are very nervous. we have seen aggressive russian behavior against the nato border, with many exercises, so the response out

and nato eu operation. will britain's departure from the eu discussed and in what way do you think it'll affect the way nato works or the way the eu works? >> a little discussion as a result of referendum and the margins, one of the major topics and i don't think there's any secret that there was a single member of -- sing of my colleagues who would have -- who wouldn't have wished for a different result. they're all concerned about the security of our continent and they all see membership for those who are members of the european union, they always see membership in the european as complementing. the strengths of the alliance -- they always see membership in the european as complementing the strengths of the alliance itself. so far as our own opposition, in cooperation with the european union is going to remain important to our shared security interest. those interests haven't changed and we also have a continuing interest on a closer relationship, a closer relationship between nato and the european union.

you depend on nato. the allegations that russia is behind some of the hacking we have seen, does that say anything to you about the status of u.s.-russia relations? guest: russia has adopted a hostile approach toward the u.s. and nato for some time. , and asas also adopted water mayor putin said, he the soviet loss of union and does not believe the eu should exist. he has used russian means, whether it is business deals, bribery, intelligence services, drop again i, anything he can use to try to influence politics and decision-making inside nato countries. we have seen it in germany, hiring the chancellor of germany to become the head of a north stream gas project. we have seen other sweet business deals that have benefited politicians. russia provided funding to marine le pen's party in france. they have been creative and aggressive at trying to influence politics, and part of that is the cyber world. we saw them use cyber attacks when they invaded georgia. cyber attacks against estonia after they moved

violate the nato russia at. russia is not accepting a position. how are you going to prepare for the russian was gone -- response. >> it is very clear that the deployment of this new forward presence does not contribute the founding act. there is no definition in the activesync tanjug versus, but i don't think there's any way you could claim the rotation of a battalion in the book extends the amount to substantial policies. the forces there will be rotational in each of the four host nations that are not going to exceed more than 1000 personnel. you have to set that against russia's decision back in january to form three new divisions in the last end of five new strategic nuclear missile regiments that involve tens of thousands of troops, whereas each of our deployment that they said it's going to be less than a thousand nature. it is also important to refer back to one of the key principles of the founding act, which is the parties to the act must respect the sovereignty of territorial integrity of all states.

and nato. so i'm quite certain all this will continue it and develop as we go forward even if the u.k. is no longer a full member of the union. jill: when we rirn, a member of the ukraine talks about defense. jill: welcome back to "defense news". the associate editor recently sat down with the vice prims of the ukraine to talk about the ukraine's top reform -- top frorn priorities, including strategic defense the >> i think in this regard i am on board with the government as such. we have just recently developed a very concrete and i think realistic plan of reforms before the end of the year. there are several major priorities, and that would be starting the privatization, and we have already started it, a very open privatization that is of huge importance. also clear tate-owned enterprises, market stabilization of the country that is very much important for all of us. also we are focusing on public administration reform and that's where part of my direct responsibilities lie. so therefore i'm

, each nato country allocates troops to nato.er u.s. and british command or french command or whatever you want to do all right? those troops base in turkey and come across '35 miles that's all it is and they wage a war there that's what would happen. >> have you seen the rules of engagement. >> that goes out the window. >> in afghanistan? that's a real war. they are not really fighting a real war. >> don't you think the american people are going to demand that president obama change his terror posture? don't you think that's coming? >> i think he should there is a great irony in what is happening right now. "the washington post" had a very interesting piece front page earlier in the week where they were reporting how if you analyze what isis is saying they are preparing their people for the loss of the caliphate. they have lost a lot of territory. i think it is true. it sounds like an excuse but it is certainly true that these attacks around the world frequency, brutality and the scale this is a way to maintain their prestige, t

and getting nato out of the e.u. where there is a role because of the funds of which hybrid workfare can take in getting nato and e.u. to work much more closely on a coordinated approach between the two different institutions. dealing with prevention and protection and information sharing of hybrid workfare cooperated not the response and communications and better resilience and hardening targets. those institutions of our state states that are most likely than hybrid workfare. >> what is the next conflict in europe >> i missed the first part. >> what is your assessment of the next region a potential conflict within europe. enough well, i think one of the successes of the later summit if they did not ask lucidly favored -- focus on the eastern border, where significant reassurance was required and met by the deployment of enhanced forward presence as we've discussed. but we also looked in an entire system is devoted that some of the pressures on nato further south. there are rising tensions in at least two parts. one

so let me just restate american policy with regard to nato, because i want nato to be clear where we stand. this administration, like every single administration, republican and democrat alike since 1949, remains fully committed to the nato alliance and to our security commitments under article 5, which is absolutely bedrock to our membership and partnership in nato. i might point out, every nato country is a member of the coalition against daesh, and 20 of the 28 nations were here today. so that's how important nato is and the work we are doing, and in coordination with our allies, we made it clear in warsaw just a few, what, week or so ago at the summit that we are going to increase capability, the readiness, and the responsiveness of nato forces to address any threat and to deter further destabilizing activities that occur, and the nato is as unified as it's been. people are plussing up the amount of money that they are contributing. and we are, ourselves, strengthening our presence in the forward lines, and i think everybody believes that that is making a difference to the securi

the renewed posture of nato. and i think it's also important to remember that russia's reaction to warsaw actually began before warsaw in response to previous or prior announcements on our forward presence and in response to the completion of the ballistic missile sites in romania but that back in may. so so far, reaction has been relatively restrained but there may be more to come. >> thanks very much. if you want to come in? >> just a question, mister secretary, presumably if these experts, what expert we got, other than cdi's empire which actually meets across the security steps as well is for their expertise and other good links across old methods of gaining information and intelligence, whatever on russia with the security services, dc hq and cdi, so my question is if this policy or is this intelligence the people are doing? >> this is much morejoined up that used to be. there are much better links , much was a between us and the agencies but mister watkins i think will tell you exactly where these officials

i'm all in favor of nato. i said nato is obsolete. i was asked a question by one of your competitors. i said nato is obsolete because it's not taking care of terror. you understand that. it turned out i was right. a lot of people gave me credit for that. then, three months ago, on the front page of "the wall street journal" they said, nato to develop a terror division. and somebody who is supposed to be very extraordinary is put in charge of it. that was all because of me. so i was right about that. i was also right about the fact that nato, we're being taken advantage of by nato countries. totally taken advantage of. >> why did you soften the gop platform on ukraine? >> i wasn't involved in that. >> your people were. >> yeah, i was not involved in that. i would like to -- i would have to take a look at it. i was not involved. >> do you know what they did? >> they softened it, i heard. but i was not involved. >> they took way part of the platform calling for provisions of lethal weapons to ukraine to defend themselves. why is that a g

of nato. the united states is not going to support them they really deeply and rightly worry the russians are going to come in and -- >> on that, that's why i wanted to bring ben in on this show, he's written so much about putin. how do you think these words are sitting with vladimir putin? is this trump, whether he realizes it or not, giving putin the green light to go in, take those eastern bloc countries? >> trump believes nato is somewhat of a rhetorical thing rather than a real thing. sooner or later there will be opportunities presented by american weakness to chip away at this. trump is confirming his belief. i think that what trump said will will be looked at a lot more closely in moscow than maybe have been in the american media, which is he's just sort of opening up a possibility he might not defend. he didn't say he wouldn't. i think that it will encourage people in the russian establishment who think that sooner or later a moment of american weakness will present itself and that im

ambassador to nato.egan by asking him if this deployment would deter the russian aggression we saw in ukraine. >> it is supposed to send a clear signal to moscow to president couldn't and the russian military that nato including the u.s. and great britain and germany and canada are going to be at the forefront when it comes to defending the countries of eastern europe, particularly the baltic states and poland that if there is a military incursion whether it is the kind of -- what we saw in crimea or a direct incursion into the baltic states or poland, the risk is for a confrontation and that is the risk that mr. putin is unlikely to take. laura: critics say this is the kind of cold war response it is comfortable with. how will they respond to threats from islamic state? >> it is true that these are the kinds of responses that nato for many years has been able to put forward but it is also true that for the last 20, 25 years, people were not really thinking about confrontation between russia and nato and

you don't get to pick when you want to be a nato member. when you become a nato member, you commit.ou have an unwavering commitment to this institution and to all of its member security. whenna allies like those in europe and even our canadian friends look at what's coming out of this campaign, they are deeply troubled by it because it's not a democratic value. it's not a republican value. this is an american value. europeans don't want to see us center a phase where we forget about the benefits of nato and why we created it in the first place. unfortunately donald trump does not have, seem to have the history to understand why we created this institution in the first place. [applause] the >> i want to go down the line to representative moulton. you fought with nato allies and arab partners in the wars of the last decade. as secretary panetta mentioned, the importance of our allies, you've actually brought your iraqi translator to the united states as a refugee. can you tell us how the discourse we're hearing right now resonates with you, both as a soldier and a representative of yo

when you go to negotiate with nato or g.a.p. or world bank or the imf or the wto, there are -- they are now huge bureaucracies themselves. they are not going to erode themselves. at a time when we are sitting here saying there is no way out of entitlement, how do you reverse the budget for anything? it is not the president. i mean the president is a , conciliator. he is an executive. charlie: when he has all these names in calling hillary clinton "crooked," "lying ted cruz," and all the things that he said -- even what he said about john mccain, does that have a purpose? tom: look, he's a friend, so i can disagree with him. i don't personally like any of it, and the reason i don't like any of it is because he's better than that. he doesn't need to go there. charlie: so, why does he? tom: because he caught onto something, this fissure in the american people that is against the grain but worked. if he would have been presidential -- and he could have, by the way -- the way we would have liked him to do it -- charlie: he can only b

but i tell you, this is a nato member nation. let's not forget that, brian. nato member nation. and, look, as ayman pointed out, it is -- of all places that we can't afford, and i say we. i mean the western world cannot afford to have unstable. it is turkey. when you consider the migration crisis, turkey is the chokepoint, preventing it from totally exploding into europe. perhaps you could argue maybe it already has and vice versa with syria. so it is -- this is a four-alarm fire for the white house in that situation room. >> and ayman, what can we assume, the fact that this coup is organized by the turkish military. >> the turkish military is extremely powerful. but also very divided. and this is something that had an heralded by president erdogan himself. over the past several years as he's consolidated his power, he has moved officers that he felt would be loyal to him up the chain of command. it's a professional army. highly trained, highly skilled. very disciplined. this is certainly going to raise questions. i've been trying to get in touch with senior military officers th

there's the nato sentry and the nato c17 pool. any chance of nato p-8 or whatever they roll out next out of their -- i'm assuming for their next generation mpa and obviously with the lower barriers of entry, from sort of alliance-common platform that doesn't matter whether it's a norwegian -- attack sweden, finland, patrol craft that you can just take it around to whoever -- >> sharing the afw. >> the road of potential programs is long and strewn with rubble. and i think there are some quite good arguments in principle and practice it tends to come out not quite that way. tends to be a lot of concern to keep national sovereign capabilities so one of the issues was developing a nato-wide capability, who runs it, who orders it to go where? what's the basis it does its own patrolling? and the need in particular with relatively scarce -- sometimes send them outside of the nato -- so one of the concerned the uk has about engage independent nato-wide capabilities. our approach is more in the uk based on trying to prove shared capabiliti

>> isn't pulling out of nato. what leaders are saying publicly is that britain is more committed than ever, but in private, a lot of people i've been talking to here say they're worried that the british decision to split from the european union say bad sign making it harder to send money on security and defense, and also distracting the policymakers over the next couple of years. >> megan: nato also announced a new effort in the mediterranean to curb the flow of migrants. can you talk a little bit about what the plan is there? >> that's right. nato is planning to send some naval vessels, nato members are going to send them there to the mediterranean where it's also considered a bit of a security set for europe because they have a stream of people coming in. nato is going to try to defend europe but also to make sure that those who are coming over, often the smugglers aren't thinking and dying -- sinking and dying and drowning as we've seen happen again and again. >> megan: the summit is being held in poland. as i

article 5 of nato. so nato is created, and let's be very clear.erican foreign policy going forward. this is the american-led security guarantee for all of europe. anything that messes with that and treats that as a purely dollars and cents transactional deal, and you're right, some countries have started to come forth with paying up the 2% of their gdp, but to break up nato is -- they were not coming to our allies' defense, unless they pay us the money is a complete break. it retrenches america into a less safe america. so america will retrench, what, behind fortress atlantic and watch the rest of the world go to hell. it is not possible for american security. >> let's talk about the bigger approxima picture here in cleveland. we're interested in hearing from perspective who is not american, what you think of donald trump? what you think of the reaction to him here in cleveland. >> clearly, he hasn't taken on the establishment in washington. he has taken on the establishment within the republican party. so i mean, last night, i imagine this would

that geography is a product of nato's expansion east. in 1949, nato's eastern border was italy.1999, it had added seven more countries; by 2009, nine more countries, including the baltics. suddenly, nato had beachheads on russia's borders. >> i think that if we would discover that there would be russian troops in mexico-- i wonder how many american politicians and american people would think this is an acceptable situation. >> reporter: dimitri simes leads the washington think tank, "the center for the national interest." for russia, nato isn't defensive. since 1999, nato has launched wars in kosovo, afghanistan and libya. each ended in regime change. >> that certainly made an impression in moscow that nato expansion was a direct threat not just to their security, but also to their domestic stability. >> reporter: russia again felt threatened when the u.s. either encouraged, or supported, revolutions in previously pro- russian countries. the final straw was ukraine. >> if ukraine is hostile and joins nato, that would be viewed by russia as an existential threat. >> reporter: thi

to destroy nato. trump has said he will would not defend nato allies like the baltic republic, he watered down the republican platform so that it did not call for providing arms to the ukrainians. he has even said that he is open to annexing the russian -- if russia was going to draw up a candidate for the russian presidency, this is who he would come up with. >> marsha, do you think too much is made up of this trump-putin love affair, friendship? >> yes and no. i mean i agree with everything that's been said so far, i just think that the important points, when we start talking about trump was in conspiracy and is trump the maturing candidates, i think we go too far. the important things about putin is that putin hates hillary clinton, he will do anything to make sure she's not elected. and that is why the hackers were in the dnc, aside from the fact that they're generally disrupters and they try to disrupt the politics of all western powers, but if trump is elected, he will be elected by americans, h

he relies entirely on nato and u.s.firepower. >> if russia wanted to, they could come through very, very quickly. and so our response time must be much, much faster now. >> reporter: 32-year-old christopher moore trains apache pilots based in germany. for 15 years he taught counter- insurgency for iraq and afghanistan. russia's annexation of crimea changed his training overnight. >> the pilots coming out of flight school now, we are immediately building this idea of how to fight the disciplined fight. >> reporter: translation: after a quarter century of looking elsewhere, nato's refocused on its original enemy. >> when i started this 27 years ago, we were trained to fight the soviet union. >> reporter: col. john meyer commands the 2nd cavalry regiment. during the cold war, the second cavalry guarded the iron curtain. today, his troops his men are deployed in half a dozen countries behind the curtain. >> what has changed over the last 27 years is that there are nations now in eastern and central europe that have voluntee

i was at the nato summit a few weeks ago.s chastising the countries that had not pay 2% or more of gdp. that is the number they sort of agreed on every loose target two years ago. bob gates, his former defense secretary and defense secretary for president bush, in his last major speech in europe before he left as defense secretary, basically said if you don't begin to take your own share of the burden you are going to lose a generation of americans and others who have no memory of the cold war and don't know why nato exists. mr. trump takes of the next step to say i'm not just saying here's a gold kobe nice if you meet it. i'm saying if you don't meet it i'm pulling troops back and i may not come to your defense. this is a consistent element of mr. trump's batik of american foreign-policy. he made the same argument about japan and south korea. i said to them if we pull back the japanese and south koreans are going to doubt whether our nuclear umbrella covers them. do you have a problem with a built a nuclear weapon? he said i

you don't get to pick when you want to be a nato member. when you become a nato member, you commit. you have an unwavering commitment to this institution and to all of its member security. whenna allies like those in europe and even our canadian friends look at what's coming out of this campaign, they are deeply troubled by it because it's not a democratic value. it's not a republican value. this is an american value. europeans don't want to see us center a phase where we forget about the benefits of nato and why we created it in the first place. unfortunately donald trump does not have -- seem to have the history to understand why we created this institution in the first place. >> i want to go down the line to representative moulton. you fought with nato allies and arab partners in the wars of the last decade. as secretary panetta mentioned, the importance of our allies, you've actually brought your iraqi translator to the united states as a refugee. can you tell us how the discourse we're hearing right now resonates with you, both as a soldier and a representative of your people,

how do we make sure nato survives? we have to make sure germany not only unifies, but unifies within nato. one of the key debate points over whether germany would develop and how it would after the vision was ended at the end of the cold war was perhaps it might become a neutral country, a demilitarized country. perhaps it might join the warsaw someone mosts likely to occur, perhaps all of germany might enter nato but western and nato troops would never enter eastern germany. bush's reaction was that anything that does any ink to diminish germany's role in nato weakens nato. for what purpose do we have to maintain the stream of history going under american leadership in europe? bush canlusion is why be understood as a grand strategist who moves not only within the stream of history, but beyond platitudes. a person who was able to do nothing to be hippocratic when he thought the stream was moving in the right direction, but a person the was willing to act when he had his core beliefs and values questions. in this case,

nato is as strong as nimble and as ready as ever. and as we see it from the presence of montenegro at this summit, the door to nato membership remains open to nations that can meet our high standards. so nobody should ever doubt the resolve of this alliance to stay united and focused on the future. and just as our nations have stood together over the past hundred years, i know that we'll stay united and grow even stronger for another hundred more. with that, let me take some questions. i'm going to start with kathleen hennessy of a.p. >> thanks, mr. president. i want to specifically ask about the dallas shooting and the attackers there -- attacker there now we know more about the man who did the crimes. i'm wondering if you could help us understand how you describe his motives. do you consider this an act of domestic terrorism? was this a hate crime? was this a mentally ill man with a gun? how should americans understand why that happened? and then also on the issue of political division and looking for solutions, there has been some

alongato soldiers march our border and nato jets fly by, it's not us who are moving closer to the natoorders. reporter: last month nato deployed over 30,000 troops to carry out rehearsals along the polish-russian border. it was the biggest military exercise on the alliance's eastern flank since the cold war. in other world news, a spokesperson for the nigerian army says six people were killed in the early hours of the morning following a suicide bombing at a mosque. two attackers were involved, one of them failed to enter a central mosque in a town and blew himself up in the streets, killing nobody other than himself. the other entered a smaller mosque nearby, killing 6 worshipers and wounding one other. there has been no claim of responsibility, but suspicions are resting with boko haram. saysaudi interior ministry it has identified more suspects thought to have in behind monday's coordinated attacks in the country. attacks, a mosque in the western city of medina, where the prophet mohammed is buried. 19 suspects are being held. seven of them are believed to be sasaudi natationals, 12

nato is increasing our support to ukraine.meeting, e with agreed on a new assistance package to improve aligned support for ukrainian forces. prime minister cameron, chancellor merkel and i met with president por shen ko and reaffirmed our strong support for ukraine's integrity as well as the need to continue political and economic reforms. thank you, i'm already getting applause. i'm not even finished yet. and even as the nato russia council will meet in brussels next week, our 28 nations are united in our view that there can be no business as usual with russia until it fully implements its minsk obligations. nato will do more also to fight against terrorist networks. every alley already contributes to the campaign dwens isil. now, they'll continue aircraft to improve intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance against isil. nato training of iraqi security forces run in jordan, will move to iraq, where they can be even more effective and building on my decision to largely maintain the current u.s. troop presence in afghanis

the chief of nato here.n't want and is not intending to slip towards a cold war. that's not the intent. that the doors to diplomacy are being kept open. the concern is that russia's actions are worrying nato's eastern alliance members and that something needs to be done and is being done on a military front to send a very clear message to russia because the message of nato is that's the feeling that russia understands. natalie. >> nic robertson, in rainy poland as you're following the meeting in spain. hope the meeting picks up there. thanks a lot, nic. >>> a super typhoon has been downgraded to a tropical storm as it moved from taiwan to china. before it weakened, the typhoon killed at least three people and injured more than 140. but those storms battled eastern taiwan leaving a path of destruction. more than 16,000 people were forced to leave their homes. hopefully, they got out of those cars as well. ferocious winds, massive waves come with the storm. our meteorologist derek van dam is here to tell us wh

so in closing i note this is my final nato summit.ne of my top foreign policy priorities has been to strengthen our alliances, especially with nato. and as i reflect on the past eight years, both the progress and the challenges, i can say with confidence that we've delivered on that promise. the united states has increased our presence in europe, nato is as strong as nimble and as ready as ever. as we see from the presence of montenegro in this summit, the door to membership remains open to nations who can meet our high standards. nobody should doubt the resolve of this alliance to stay united and focused on the future. and just as our nations have stood together over the past 100 years, i know we'll stay united and grow even stronger for another 100 more. with that, let me take some questions. i'm going to start with kathleen hennessy of ap. . >> i wanted to specifically ask about the dallas shooting and the attacker there now that we know more about the man who we believe did those crimes. i'm wondering if you could help us understa

and don't know why nato exists. but mr. trump takes it the next step to say look, i'm not just saying here is the goal. it would be nice if you meet it. i'm saying if you don't meet it, i'm pulling the troops back and i may not come to your defense. >> all about donald trump when we cont >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> we're in cleveland for the final day of the republican national convention. we're taping this program ahead of donald trump's highly anticipated address this evening. the speech comes a day after ted cruz refused to endorse republican nominee, causing further rancor within the party or certainly between donald trump and ted cruz. ted cruz's speech overshadowed the indiana governor, mike pence who accepted the vice presidential nomination. joining me now is tom barrack, he is the fou

nato forces. >> well, but any time we use nato, america has to lead. we were very grateful when our nato allies came with us into afghanistan and into other places, but let's not kid ourselves. america leads. >> joining us now from our new york studio is steve rogers, he's a former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force as well as a retired detective of the nuttilley, new jersey, pld. he's also a retired commander from the u.s. navy where he was assigned to the office of naval intelligence. commander rogers, thank you for joining us this evening. >> you're welcome. >> now, this truck attack is really the first of its type. i mean, will we likely see more of these varied type of attacks from lone wolf self-starters or small cells? >> well, look, the enemy has taken the fight to us. we in the intelligence community knew this was going to happen because the obama administration simply does not have the will or even the desire to take decisive action against this enemy. look, we just heard donald trump and hillary clinton. donald trump has laid out a

nato leaders gathered to send a tough message to moscow. and, the going gets tough in the tour de france as the writers head into the mountains for the first time. thank you for joining us. his name was micah johnson, and afghan war veteran and his dying words that he wanted to kill white police officers. he is the focus of an investigation into the killing of five policeman and wounding of seven others in dallas, texas. johnson said he acted alone in a killing spree described as the deadliest day for law-enforcement since 9/11. what started as a protest against police violence turned into deadly shootings and a standoff in a parking garage in downtown dallas. >> i was walking and a guy just ended shooting. there had to be five or six cops being shot down. 4 police have identified one suspect, micah johnson. it is unclear if he was the only shooter. he was killed after several hours of negotiations. >> the suspect said he was upset about black lives matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upse

when you look at nato, does brexit make us less secure or is nato the one that will keep us safe?the security implications of brexit have been over -- the line used in the campaign that did not appear to be successful was the e.u. has been the guarantor of stability across europe in these last 50 years. the counter was always that nato has been the guarantor. it's both. these black-and-white statements that we saw in the campaign were never really true one way or the other pretty fact the u.k. has lost a degree of confidence in one of these multinational institutions, the u.k. has always been very fond of nato, but other countries who are less and that is more of a danger than anything to do with the u.k. if we focus on native. -- on nato. francine: it puts the u.k. in a position where they need to show their commitment to nato. david: the u.k. going forward is going to want to look at nato and say this is now the model for multilateral cooperation. the north atlantic treaty organization. the clue's in the name. and the e.u., which plenty of the people in the u.k. is over - - ther

members,enda for nato changing security environments. it grappling with isis fueled violence, and a more aggressive russia. e decision by british votersy is to pull their country out of the european union. could the brexit vote plan to the hands of vladimir putin as he seeks to leverage his own power over nato? the nato expert is director of the kennedy institute. matt, welcome to the program. matt: thank you fernando: thank you. let me ask you, are we in danger of slipping into a war with russia? matt: yah, i think we are in danger of unintended escalation. that's to say neither the us, russia, nato intends to be in a military conflict, but there are two complementary phenomenon going on at the same time. we are doing overlapping operations in syria over the southern skies there. russian bombers bombing free syrian fighter positions, american fighters being scrambled to intercept them. they are not firing at each other, that we know of, but the russians bombing with live ammunition with americans in the sky so this is dangerous territor

has been carrying the load in a large part for nato.there are many countries that have been free riders along the way. it is not fair to be carrying most of the burden. obviously we benefit a lot. but you have to get serious at some point making other countries fulfill their obligations. what do you think? >> sure. they should spend more money on their defense. they don't owe us money. let's be clear about this. this is obligation to spend their own money on their own defense but let's also be clear about nato. given we have free riders in it. given many allies around the world who are free riders, we're not doing it for them, we're doing it for us. if we don't protect our interests around the world, nobody else is going to do it for us. imagine what the reaction in places like israel and japan when they see the most successful political, military alliance in the history of the world, the first time in history the united states entered into an alliance in peacetime called into question? this is, this is very, very disturbing and the ene

foreign policy toward nato and russia with former u.s. ambassador to nato. from today's washington journal, this is 30 minutes. continues. host: joining us now to talk about the u.s.'s policy toward nato and russia is kurt volker, a former u.s. ambassador to nato between 2008 and 2009, and executive director for the mccain institute for leadership. caller: thank you for having me. you start by telling us what exactly is nato and what is its organization? caller: it is -- guest: it is an alliance of countries that work together to protect each other. an attack on one is considered an attack on all. if there is such an attack, everybody is supposed to respond and the idea is it would deter anybody from doing it. it was founded in 1949. and world war ii largely maintain their capacity to work together. they became concerned about the rise of the soviet union so 12 canada, western european countries banded together to form nato in 1949. 1980's,ined in the germany and the 1950's, turkey and greece. after the fall of the berlin wall in 1989, countries in central a

i've -- i've entertained troops that are fighting alongside nato countries, nato troops. we -- this alliance has been based on a premise we will come to each other's defense. it's not a choice. that's not -- a treaty isn't like one of donald trump's business deals. you can't choose when to go to court and when to break it and when not. this alliance has worked for us since world war ii. this guy is incapable of doing the kind of work that a president needs to do day-to-day and certainly during this campaign is just winging it constantly and you see every day him making these mistakes. now i don't know what the outcome of tonight's speech is going to be. we'll see. >> senator al franken, democrat of minnesota who, from the likes of things brought along some of his closest friends to be in the crowd, the gallery behind him while speaking tonight. senator -- >> thanks, senator. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> exact ly on purpose. >> we watched a motorcade arrive. no clue who's motorcade that is but hopefully our camera inside the loading dock -- loading dock cam, as we

article five of the allies. >> nato is as unified as it be been.eople are the amount of money their contributing and we are ourselves strengthening our presence in the forward lines and i think everybody believes that that is making a difference to the security our country. >> reporter: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell calling the comments wrong. indiana governor mike pence expects trump will support nato allies. in new york steve rappaport, fox nouse. >>> philadelphia rolling out the red, white and blue carpet all eyes look to our city for next week's d envelope c of the the cool events you can attend this weekend. >>> and donald trump has just said he has the back the lgbt community, but are members of that community really buying it? ♪ is the world truly ready for a vehicle that can drive itself? an autonomous-thinking automobile that protects those inside and outside. ready or not, the future is here. the all-new e-class. self-braking, self-correcting, self-parking. a mercedes-benz concept car that's already a reality. mercedes-benz. the

-turkey and nato relations.hink the combination of having jim and soner address issues related to the turkish try to attend is really a comprehensive look at everything on the agenda -- coup. with that i will turn to soner. then we will move the podium away and we will have quite some time to get into questions and answers with our experts. soner. >> thank you, rob. good afternoon, everybody. i'm pleased to see a lot of familiar names and faces from around town. this is indeed a very sad day for us to have a discussion on turkey. i want to start by expressing my deep and profound sadness over events of the last weekend. i think for those of us who view the report in turkey or study turkey, one of the most -- the countries capital ankara which is have been occupied at any time in history -- definitely a nefarious plot against the country. what happened like to do is look at what happened, and move on to what it means for turkey stability and third look a just policy and what washington ought to do. little over 10