did nato nations, did nato as an organization need a kick in the pants? the fact that he has helped us to now move on the question of burden-sharing within the alliance. and this is important for european allies for a strong nato, it's good for europe, but it's also good for united states. we have to remember that the only time we have invoked article v was a after the attack on the united states. and hundreds of thousands of canadian, european soldiers have fought shoulder to shoulder with u.s. soldiers in afghanistan. we have worked together with u.s. in defeating daish, isis in iraq and syria, so it's a great advantage for the united states to have 28 allies. russia doesn't have that, china doesn't have that, but u.s. hassal ryes and friends. john: you mentioned russia, and one of the knocks on president trump is what he says about president putin and his criticisms of nato is giving putin a way to try to create divisions within nato. listen to what congressman eliot engel of new york said last week. >> today nato plays a critical role in keeping an in

but in reality nato has waged aggressive. wars far from the north atlantic bombing bosnia and herzegovina kosovo serbia afghanistan pakistan and libya nato has added a partnership with colombia abandoning all pretense of its purpose being in the north atlantic just use the example of libya with the us and france leading the way nato took a country that was one of the most developed in africa and turned it into a smoldering heap of warring extremists organized mass human murder is not better or nicer when it has a nato banner next to it ok that's that's just a christmas wreath on the serial murderers how else would it says they're. just trying to find but it's not you know you send in some investigators and what are they going to go i think this is a good guy dressed up the bodies in the basement with nice little bow ties. with some of you voters out there will say will trump promise to rein in nato and maybe even withdraw from nato yeah but has he from also promised that no one would ever you know million years be as humble a

from nato. the sources sited for "the new york times" report are senior administration officials means they are working at the trump administration at a senior level and very, very worried. other sources are referred to as former officials. in the article, the current ia senior officials seemed united in their fear at any moment, donald trump could announce thec withdrawal of the united states from nato and we will discuss with helen cooper that may be the reason these trump officials are talking. they may be the only way to destroy nato is to go public and create enough outrage and opposition in washington in the senate and the house even republicans hope that probably that republicans will raise their voices in opposition to stop the president from doing what he wants to don't the senior administration officialst told the new york times mr. trump said he wanted to withdraw from the north atlantic treaty organization. he told the top national p security officials he did not see the point of the

while putin has not attacked a nato country. he has harassed nato forces.hter jet buzz american ships and planes near europe. putin's submarines and ships routinely spy on american and european vessels. he's built up his vessels arsenal near nato borders. if trump pulls america out of nato, putin could become even more aggressive. >> we would see a putin who is more emboldened to use military force. and he would certainly be emboldened to be much more provocative and seek to disrupt the politics even into western europe. this from putin's perspective would be a game changer. >> the administration calls the times report meaningless. experts are concerned that the spy master in the kremlin could in their next face to face meeting try to privately manipulate the president into cutting the nato cord. >> he could encourage that and say to trump, you know, this is an institution that stands in the way of better u.s. russia relations. if you really want better u.s. russia relations, it's better if we move on. >> what analysts are worried about tonight is the talk

it weakens nato. fans the flames of nationalism that have been sweeping across europe that vladimir putin also very much supports. and so why does donald trump keep coming back to these policies that time and time again, not just on nato, but on this crazy afghanistan thing, and on standing up and taking the side of vladimir putin over his own u.s. intelligence agencies, you can go on and on down the list. the simplest explanation is usually the correct one would tell you he's in some way been compromised. maybe there is a more complicated answer that we have yet to find. if so, i'm waiting to hear it. >> because i'm stubborn and i want to convince rick stengel, let me put up this graphic. this is vladimir putin's goal, relieve pressure from u.s. sanctions on russia. this is trump's payout. he rolls back and blocks sanctions and delays them and slows them. that's ongoing. trump's goal, sow discord in western democracies. trump repeatedly dismisses election interference, rolls back the sanctions obama

the idea that somehow we paid for nato, we don't pay for nato. nato pays for itself.h 2% of their own gdp. united states and a few others, greece ironically is one of them because their economy is so bad. but one of the greatest inventions in the 20th century to keep us safe. it has worked immeasurably. the idea who is asking to pull out of nato except vladimir putin. >> you know, john heileman, right now there's a question within the fbi and within a sizable chunk of america whether donald trump is working on behalf of russia. certainly whether he's doing it formally or doing it because vladimir putin has compromised material on him. but if someone were an agent for the russians sitting in the oval office, what are the three things they would want to do the most? number one, they would want to disband nato. number two, they would want to ease sanctions on oligarchs, people close to vladimir putin and number three the biggest prize right now withdraw all american troops from syria and start turning the middle east over to russia and an ex-soviet spy. >> i would add on

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because the president has threatened that he will pull out of nato with other nato nations don't live up to their financial commitment. if he has since said i'm 100% behind nato. do you really have any concerns that president trump pulled the united states out of the alliance? >> president trump has been very clear. he is committed to nato. he stated this clearly a few days ago. but at the same time, he has clearly stated that nato allies need to invest more and therefore, the summit we agreed to do more to step up, and now we see the results. by the end of next year, nato allies will add 100 billion extra for defense. so we see some real money and some real results and we see the clear message from president trump is having an impact on nato allies have heard the president loud and clear and now nato allies are stepping up. so this is good news, meaning that we actually see more fair sharing. >> john: it's interesting that you say that nato allies have heard the message and it's a good thing because president trump gets loudly criticized here in the united states and abroad for being

being a part of nato is not being like part of a country club. we value our nato partners. and we realize that the power of the nato partnership is absolutely, absolutely invaluable. and the tangible results prove it, not just what we have seen in the past, but what we are seeing now. in our fight against trim, our nato partners will join that effort was demonstrated hours after the attack on 9/11 as partner nations volunteered to invoke article 5. i served along side troops from any nato countries in my service. about i can tell you after 17 years of war, nato troops are still there serving along side our sons and daughters who are serving in uniform. when it comes to russia, our nato partners will continue to play an important role as a deterrent for their aggression and will continue to coordinate and collaborate to push back ainst russia's use of hybrid warfair. nato is instrumental. why in we have allies that will stand by us. russia does not. that is the foundation of our partnership and that is the act that rejects efforts to withdraw and prohibits any funds to be us

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countries not yet part of nato. other countries not yet part of nato. >> western europe?ukraine is not passionate of nato yet. >> tucker: part of the soviet union when i got 20 minutes ago. >> they want to be free and now it is free. >> tucker: lots of people want to be free. poor country of western europe. >> poll land. >> tucker: poll land is not a core countrifully western europe. >> you are willing to received all of eastern europe even country like poland. only protect western europe? because once eastern europe goes then western europe is threatened. >> tucker: we're almost done. you think there is a plausible threat within our lifetimes of, say, the u.k., germany, belgium, litten stein, switzerland, spain, portugal being invaded by russia. >> i'm thought saying that all the other countries in yearn europe including the ones who joined nato fell of course the next frontier for russian expansionism would be western europe. that's obvious, i think. >> tucker: not obvious at all to me but keep trying. great to see you, david. >> thank you. >> tucker: christian whiton j

that nato wars are the good wars. there's almost no such thing as good war as a right not coming from an imperialist belligerent bloated military like ours with between eight hundred thousand military bases around the world you can go will that one over there that was the good one now is that what they ignore is five hundred other bombings but this missile that's all that's a good one dad that's a noble one right there that's like putting like a little piece kale on top of a deep fry twinkie tower. this is my healthy time snack right here is that because kale right there like how long did you do that were someone goes well that's healthy why you haven't in the front. so it's a bad time when you look at nato and go what makes all of your wars the good warriors but the mic resistance in the mainstream outlets will tell you nato is just a defensive measure against russia but in reality nato has waged aggressive wars far from the north atlantic bombing bosnia and herzegovina kosovo serbia afghanistan pakistan and libya na

its goal has been to upend nato. russian actions toward achieving that goal have included, quote, russia's meddling in america's elections and russia's efforts to prevent former satellite states joining the nato alliance. quote, with a weakened nato, putin would have more freedom to behave as he wishes, setting up russia as a counterweight to europe and the united states. senior trump administration officials discussing president's behavior with "the times" on the condition of anonymity. they tell the paper that an american withdrawal from nato would accomplish all that putin has been trying to put in motion. quote, essentially doing the russian leader's hardest and most critical work for him. so that was, like, midnight last night from "the new york times," and we don't know who these senior administration officials are who are talking to "the new york times" about what the president has been reportedly trying to do on this front. it is possible, of course, that these are senior trump administration officials who we

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nato has expanded from its original twelve members now to twenty nine and it nato x. is really a us dominated command their military alliance which is trying to enforce u.s. corporate domination on a global scale using military threats sanctions sabotage hundreds of us bases around the world. and all of it in a really. enormous enormous waste of resources materially a great threat to a whole number of countries it has involved invasions occupations and it's a global threat and nato forces from afghanistan into our rock syria and so on and and of course the threats are expanding against both russia and china play very existence or anything that there do so for decades nato has denied that the alliance is directed against russia. which kind of defies the entire reason why the allies was created in the first place but that's a whole different conversation and now we hear patrol yes who commanded nato forces in afghanistan saying the opposite what do you think current nato officials will make of this i mean is there a discrepancy between past thought and current thought.

leaving nato. this is a huge story.d have been a huge story in 1983 when the soviet union still existed and it was still clear what the point of nato was. nato was created to keep the o soviets from invading western europe and nato didd a very good job of that all the way until the very day the soviet union collapsed.t that was the summer of 1991. it was almost 28 years ago. vladimir putin runs russia now. he does not plan to invade western europe. he can't.er so why do we still have nato? well, nobody really knows. in washington, you are definitely not allowed to ask. and that's a shame because it would be an interesting conversation.as remaining in nato comes with significant obligations.co in the 1990s our leaders decided it would be a wise idea to promise countries like latvia and estonia that we would use nuclear weapons to protect them if they ever had a problem with russia. why did we do that? who knows? point is we did that articlele 5 obligates the united states to protect any nato ally that is threatened. so h

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putin has viewed nato as an enemy for a long time. he's wanted to undermine nato."the "times" reports that around the time of a contentious nato meeting last summer, president trump told his top aides he didn't see the point of the nato alliance.he complained at that summit about germany's energy deals with russia.natsot/trump "how can you be together when a country is getting its energy from the person you want protection against?"lling of nato, experts say, strengthens putin's hand.the former k-g-b colonel has always seen nato as a threat to his borders and to his military.andrea kendall- taylor/former dep. natl. intelligence officer for russia:"president putin sees nato as a superior military alliance. he's avoided confrontation with nato because he simply knows he would lose the fight."that's because one of the key components of nato is 'article five':an agreement that says, if any of the 29 member countries is attacked -- the other members, including the u- s, are duty-bound to step in and defend it.and while putin has not attacked a nato country, he has harass

resides outside of the european union and nato. this differentiation of capabilities, this willingness to recommit to a capability of approach where, if you will, different allies are having different capabilities that they bring so that the sum is greater than the parts. that's the kind of approach we've got to take. >> and the only thing i would add is, that the partnership is not just about nato when we want our allies to do more. and you say will how much are you putting in the nato and that the all and end all of it. there are a lot of other ways that we partner. i do a lot of work on global health and the department for international development and great britain is a major leader in confronting global health challenges. you know george w. bush helped put together the lines on combating hiv in africa, but that was an alliance that was global. so when we as americans, like, what we ask what our partners are doing to help us, i don't think we should narrow it simply down to what they are spending on defense. there are a ton mor

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nato has expanded from its original twelve members now to twenty nine and its nato ex is really a u.s. dominated command and military alliance which is trying to enforce u.s. corporate domination on a global scale using military threats sanctions sabotage hundreds of u.s. bases around the world and it's not that anything russia has done has not expanded beyond its borders as nato has or anything that china has done by nato as an aggressive military alliance it's expanded in a really aggressive way and have a global will a terry force as a tug of war over transparency of the world's biggest defense department it's among our stories that i had when we come back. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crimes happen each day. eighty five percent of global wealth you longs to the ultra rich eight point six percent market saw thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one bi

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and then, you know that after my year in bosnia with nato i did a 180 on nato.t understand what the alliance was for after the collapse of the soviet union either. i did understand after exhuming mass graves for a year in bosnia. kennedy: yeah. no, it's, it's horrible what human beings are capable of. but having said that, i don't think that we need to spend as much money on what ifs. finish. >> you're right, and if trump has accomplished anything almost backhandedly, it's that he's finally lit a fire, you know, under their derrieres -- kennedy: good. that's the part of his foreign policy, there are two parts of his foreign policy i don't have a problem with. one is the u.s. has been so acquiesce sent to western europe for so long, and it's disgusting. and obama was an apologist, and it's unacceptable. and the other one was being unpredictable with north korea. i think those two things are very good. questioning the orthodoxy and the protocol in this those two realms, i think, are great. and i think, ultimately, they will serve this country, the impulsiveness on

concerned about the expansion of nato nato has expanded into thirteen countries up to the borders of russia thirteen countries at the time what was going up. in the ship way not. in early spring of two thousand and fourteen eastern ukraine was also buzzing with protests against the new authorities in kiev this region with the population close to russia geographically and culturally feared that the ultra right leanings of the newly formed government would bring meal nationalism to their lands. and they had their reasons. the status of the russian language in ukraine has been a stumbling block for many years implementing russian as a second state language was one of the main campaign promises of president bush in a full day in two thousand and twelve the government passed a law making it the second official language in the southern and eastern parts of ukraine the areas where the russian speaking population makes up a majority ukrainian nationalist groups initiated massive protests opposing the law and observing viewer might see some familiar faces their. loss. on february twenty third

nato was not a liberal institution. nato was created to fight the cold bar and lots of the institutions we created including the eu, were largely created for security reasons. this is not to say they're not also liberal in a certain sense, and in fact, institutions can be both realists and liberal at the same time but the fact is during the cold war, virtually everything we did was designed to deal with the soviet union. >> and so those seem like cases where it's hard to tell how much of the strategy is being driven by realism and with a patina of liberal hedge gem my -- hegemony and one might said that post-9/11 strategy say the response in afghanistan and the response in iraq, however misplaced, was driven not by a -- that the desire for democracy was kind of the trailing reason and that really we went to afghanistan because that was the source and the location of the massive attack on the homeland and we thought we had to clean its up. so i'm just wondering -- how do you know -- how can you tell when these policies a

nato is an important document.e five is the idea that someone attacks one of the 29 members of the country and everybody treats it as an attack on themselves and gets involved in that way. are you concerned that if there was one of these types of attacks, are you concerned that everybody will stand down or you think nato is as strong as today as it was in 9/11. >> the reason why we have this collective defense force is to prevent the conflict. because as long as every possible adversary knows that an attack on our nato ally, i have seen that work for 70 years. we noeed to maintain that unity. that's the best way to preserve the peace and prevent the conflict. that's the terms. collective offense, starting to get mutual offense is the best way. >> angela merkel, european and european countries need to take care of itself and now we have seen an alliance building between france and germany about sort of a mutual, sort of a n o nato-plus. what is that look like? what are they doing different than nato? >> i think it k

repeatedly stressed the need for better relations with russia nato. goal is not a new cold war we strive for a better relationship with russia but not in the old cold war nato does not want a new cold war nato has boosted its military budget this year by more than seven percent to one point four billion euros and its civilian budget has also been increased as well sara flounders from the anti-war international action center so the alliance is using russian threat as an excuse to spend taxpayers' money. those comments seem to be. a very own furt conscious threat against russia while retired general cia director petraeus does not represent just his own personal views he represents. the us well when establishing bill mongar ng is an essential part of every military budget of course they have to stay but there's a thread on russia they are going to get the military budget that they want and force the countries in europe the nato members to also and you know which is the pressure on them to do so. the russian lawyer at the center of collusion claims in the

did pull out of nato or cig any furthsignifi their role in nato?. for example a terror attack whose origins are in southwest asia. let's say we couldn't have imagined this 25 years ago that he tries to redraw the map in europe. they will say this is a threat to global security. who are we going to turn to and say we have an alliance? we cannot predict. i don't care what people say. forget about the next 100 years. if we ever withdraw we would have to say whato is going to b there with us? i wouldn't know. >> and article 4, an attack on one is an attack on all. everyone else joining with the united states. president trump a few months ago was joining with a fox news anchor questioning and suggesting if they were attacked they might -- first of all suggesting they might start a war with russia. do you confidence, steve, that under president trump there would be an honoring if a country were attacked. sit large lay ly as a result of president trump. russia is already on the move. russia has annexed crimea. he has closed off so that it makes it extreme

nato is a way to cooperate with the world ignores superior. non-deadly ways to cooperate with the world saying nato is the only way to come together is like saying the only way you can befriend your neighbors is to join forces in murdering other people their family i really bonded with my neighborhood every sunday we go across train tracks and beat people to death would tire iron see where we are just present a plan now. made only seventy years old this april fourth and it's time to stand up against their endless wars there will be a node in nato yes to peace festival here in washington d.c. april third and fourth look it up and learn with the base the media tell you what do you want to do you say. ok. ok well. i'm going to take the news from behind these are thrilling times of my friends i was surfing the internet the other day when i found something very exciting we have gotten to the point when wearing dystopian end of days outfits to try to survive the toxic planet we've created is totally cool. yes these fashionable urban air masks are a

and the country that is sort of most opposed to nato, that views nato as a threat to it is russia. and so that would be simply advancing russia's foreign policy interest, advancing the interest of vladimir putin. and so i mean, to withdraw from that, to just simply walk away, you have to start to wonder why would any american president even consider taking such an action unless there was something deeper there? >> but evan, is it that surprising? the report is that trump openly complained about european countries not paying their fair share. is that surprising? he complains openly about countries not paying their fair share and stepping up. is it that shocking? >> well, as max said, it's not shocking in this case because the president has made those complaints. and by the way, i would say that to make those complaints could be valid. in fact, if you talk to some european officials, they will tell you in an honest moment that yeah, they need to do more to build up their own defenses and in that way contribute to nato. but as max also said, nato is critical to global security, critic

to nato is strong. we think this is a completely inappropriate action. and the president's concern about a war zone apparently doesn't apply to a delegation of the administration going to davos the following week. we got confirmation that is still planned. so, this is obviously an action directed at the speaker. and we think as far as we can tell this has never happened in the annals of history. we will continue no matter what the president's actions r it's important to make sure that our service members have what they need and that our nato allies are reassured at a time when there are increasing questions about the president's commitment to our alliances. >> are you implying the trip in some ways is still on? >> i'm not going to comment on the speaker's travel plans. frankly, there has been far too much said about that already. and i think the president's decision to disclose a trip that the speaker is making to a war zone is completely and utterly irresponsible in every way. sfwlt speaker cancels or

since the end of the cold war and it has provided a new reason for living if you will for nato. well nato has boosted its military budget this year by more than seven percent to one point four billion euros and its civilian budget has also been increased sara flounders from the anti-war international action center says the alliance is using the russian threat as an excuse to spend taxpayers' money. i feel monitoring is an essential part of every military budget of course they have to say that there's a threat from russia if they're going to get the military budget that they want and force the countries in europe the nato members to also ante up which is a big pressure on the trances comments seemed to be. a very overt conscious threat against russia and it's not that anything russia has done has not expanded beyond its borders and nato hands by nato as an aggressive military alliance now in twenty nine countries and forces stationed around the world is very much a danger. the european union has expressed anger over its diplomatic downgrade for its officials in washington this is

russia is fixated on nato. they do not want nato any bigger than it is. russia sees nato as its main military adversary in the world. they want nato dismantled. they certainly don't want it to add any new members. we have since learned more about how in addition to russian military intelligence trying to foment a coup in montenegro, russian oligarchs close to the kremlin funded pro-russian political opposition in that country in an effort to block them from deciding to join nato. but the coup failed. montenegro did ultimately decide to join nato and the montenegro prime minister was not assassinated. he got to go to the first nato summit in 2017. he was obviously stoked to be there as you can see from the look on his face there. i will interject something right now. if you are washing dishes or grooming the dog or doing something else while you are listening to this and you're not actually looking at the tv, you may want to look up at the tv for this tape. at the first nato summit with the new montenegro prime minister, this is what our new american presi