and nato respects this right and we declare again and again that nato's doors remain open and we haveemonstrated this in recent years, nato allies, when they met at the summit in madrid, also stated very clearly that we support the right of ukraine to choose its own path and to decide exactly which security measures they want to be a part of. the decision on membership must of course be made by all 30 members and we will make this is a consensus decision now to provide ukraine with support to help it fight against the harsh russian invasion and this is the main focus of nato's main efforts - which we are talking about with us directly communications oleksandr hara diplomats experts from the center of defense strategies i welcome you to our studio ukraine has submitted an application to nato will there be a consensus regarding ukraine's accession to nato i think this will lead to a rather long process of ukraine's accession to nato it is unlikely that this issue will be voted on in any way in the near future and now we see lithuania latvia estonia has already supported the granting of

now we have the chance within nato. most other countries what they now in the european union and -- denmark is also participating in the european defense policy. the more countries get more places to play, to develop, and to develop a defense policy. what the nordic countries are looking to is a stronger, alliance within nato and the european union. it will have an effect and on friday, i am traveling to sweden where i will meet with my nordic colleagues to discuss things. >> i am so glad you mentioned finland and sweden and their potential membership. how do you see their pending membership as an impact on the alliance and what do they bring to the table and how do you think the alliance will benefit? >> it will be a huge benefit. both for the nordic countries and the nordic region as a whole, but also for the nato alliance. we have had for generations and especially, the last 15 years, a closer relationship when it comes to defense policy. we had different kinds of corporations and corporations with countries outside

and that a was, had nato secretary general. yes, it's a story back as speaking there, reacting to vladimir putins, illegal, a land grab in ukraine, and now i'm connected to d w's, brussels bureau, chief, alexandra phenomena who joins us from nato headquarters. alexander, you've listened in to that press conference. can you just sum up the most important points for us? well, i think we now understand better while eons of st oldenburg decided to come forward to day to hold this press conference, he described the illegal annexation of the ukrainian territory by russia. as a pivotal moment, of course, he condemned the illegal annexation saying that this is a father, the biggest escalation of the conflict since the beginning of the war. so you can understand that nato is not only condemning or the annexation, but also that they are concerned at the same time. it was very interesting to listen to him when he was pressed on the question whether nato is now going to call on the ukrainian president to not to take back those next territo

nato given that nato and russia may have a nuclear war. degree of madness, because those who are invited there perfectly understand. this is when we were invited to syria, we were dealing with a terrorist organization against which we fought together with you. that is, we were allies to some extent. but they think that this is a similar situation in ukraine, you know, if i notice terrorists, you are also fighting in syria , while we very clearly divided heaven and earth with you, so that god forbid, even on an allied basis, we would not cross anywhere. yes, imagine that you enter the territory of ukraine as nato invited by ukraine and there as a result. uh, you don't run into russia in any way. but you already know this from the bipolar section. here's the second one, of course. it's quite obvious that all these statements are only for one thing. i repeat attempts at all costs to keep russia from any other answers, that is, it is necessary to guarantee russia that we we definitely won’t go there to stuff everything we need to fight from ru

if we maintain a presence in germany, that is a part of nato, there would be no extension of nato's jurisdiction for forces of nato, one inch to the east. it appears that the west is peaceful words have it exactly followed their actions as russian president vladimir putin pointed out, back in february. them when we have promised that they would not push nato's infrastructure eastward even one inch. every one is well aware of that. they said one thing, and they did another, as we say, in our country, they cheated us. they deceived us, and put in isn't the only one. many western analyst and journalists have long admitted to nato's arrogant and toned death policy towards russia over the last quarter of a century. warning that continued expansion eastward would not end well. it would be extraordinarily difficult to expand nato eastwood without that actions being viewed by russia is unfriendly. even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old soviet union. and what these actions of expanding eastward actually accomplished for the west other than higher energy cost and a

well, i really hope that by the time we become nato, that is how we will become nato members alreadyen there will be no need for such a thing. center on monday on the russian lawns of nord stream-2, which runs along the bottom of the baltic sea, there were two explosions with a capacity of more than 400 kg of utertil equivalent , each of which was written about in the columns of the wall street journal with reference to own sources representatives of the danish government reported the information. even on wednesday, during a meeting of representatives of nato member countries, the sources of the publication claimed that the participants of this meeting claimed that russia was most likely behind these explosions on gas stoves, although they emphasized that it is still too early to draw official conclusions. i would like to remind you that these explosions on russian lawns nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 occurred on monday near the danish island of bronkoln, and he again spoke today about the fact that peace in ukraine can be achieved in just a few days. guess who i'm talking about, it

and when finland and sweden joined nato he was unable to do anything and he is sure that we have to go exactly this way in relation to nato and ukraine, we have already come a long way and you know a huge mistake was made in 2008 year at the summit in bucharest, the nato summit, when, due to the position of the then chancellor angela merkel and the president of france, nicolas sarcasm, it was not possible to obtain a peace treaty and it was not possible for ukraine to join nato , and it was a huge political mistake on the part of these countries, but this mistake must be corrected and we we will do everything so that ukraine becomes a member of nato as soon as possible p oleksandr we have another important statement from the ukrainian president today regarding possible negotiations with russia, he said zelenskyi ukraine was and remains a leader in victorious efforts it was our state that always offered russia to agree on a coexistence solution on equal, honest , dignified and fair terms. it is obvious that this is impossible with this russian president. he does not know what dignity

because if they do it breaks, nato, nato will be a joke. ok, and that's what makes this situation very, very dangerous navigation in washington. well, it's, it's an exit. i mean, it's become an existential fight for both sides at this point, but that's, that's the course they've de collision course. they've been headed to for years. the, the issue i think is, as we've right. but we mentioned, i don't think very many people in russia or in the dumbass necessarily care what london or paris or washington think. and i think the thinking is the referendum isn't being held for the sake of nato or, or to us. it's being held for the sake of the rest of the world, which actually does care and which does have standards and does have a sense of shame. that has been thoroughly exterminated in the west of this point. because, you know, for these western governments, it doesn't matter what you do, it's only who you are. so they can't do anything wrong. and you know russians and the people in don bass can do nothing. right? and in fact, as i've mentioned,

and by the way nato is extremely important because it is important for nato to get a country that can defeat russia and will do it necessarily on the battlefield in order to get all the experience that the ukrainian army has today from the point of view of the tactics and strategy of participation in intensive in conflicts of the modern type, it is extremely important for nato, it is also extremely important to understand today, and they understand that there are no additional levers to limit the possibility of ukraine there, whether to join or not to join , or whether it is necessary to accept all these proposals of russia a let's not take one or another member there , that is, nato already understands that russia can not and will not block our accession to nato, that is, there is no such thing as fluorine. yes, who accompanied our proposals to join the nato and nato who said no, well, look, we will provoke the russian federation in this way, that is, today, let's say, such fundamental civilizational actions took place, on the one hand, russia showed with this show in the kremlin tha

well, in short, nato nato nato nato, how did you feel, you, you, most of the people for some reason decidedday they will serve and today they will come. i think, i want to know one simple thing. the thing is, to the extent that this decision was agreed upon by our union, there were some bells and whistles. it is absolutely obvious to me that there will be no quick accession to nato, and it is obvious that there will always be countries that will say we are sorry, but now that there is a war, which nato but we could get security guarantees according to the finnish and swedish scenarios, this interests me more than joining nato, because i am sure that the door of the donat is closed for us, not because we want to perceive it, because there is no consensus, super, what i said, the secretary general of nato, will there be these guarantees or it won't happen, i don't know, it could be vitaliy, it could be a game, they accept people, well, if they accept them as russian citizens, and in response, ukraine says, and we are all the same here, it is already being pushed so that now the kremlin will s

members, nato member countries, now nato is not part of the conflict. we support the country, but we are not directly involved in this conflict, because ukraine has the right to self-defense. besides, i want to say that it is very important to change and strengthen our military presence on the territory of the allied countries, because we are preparing, we are ready for the potential risk of a military attack on our territories , that is why we are additionally deploying our troops on the territory of the allied countries, and we also want to avoid any what misunderstandings are there in ugu regarding our action - our desire is to support the ukrainian therefore we continue to value these narratives to the kremlin we support the country as well as we prevent the deterioration of the situation by drawing what will be the reaction in the event of the use of nuclear weapons and also demonstrating our readiness to defend our allies increasing the number of troops on the territory of our eastern allies on this we will end the press conference thank you very

be relevant to nato. china takes a look at when everybody thought nato was fractured. extraordinary nato response we have had since february 24. they need to understand that not only does that recognize a significant military alignment, but it also recognizes a huge economy combining the economies of nato and the united states. china has to understand we were equipped to do what we had to do to have a consequence for russia. if they were to do something similar, they should expect a similar response. hopefully, that by itself has a consequence over china's aspirations. but as you know, there investing across the globe and in many cases you question whether that is for economic purposes. there is an alliance that was stress tested and they are watching our results over time, which is why it is critically important we maintain the commitment to ukraine until there is a successful outcome. nick: do you fear one of the lessons could be, as we talked about ukrainians, really being trained and assisted by the a

it is about infected, created by nato nato's business machine. because you must remember, if nato disbanded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in lodge obs companies would lose millions and millions, they'd only have one yacht instead of 2 yards each. there. oh dear, wouldn't that be terrible? ah, there's a simple method to put it right with the rest of the world with we'll say we were forced to seize the territory brain, auto maintained security, adult edler with bring order security and democracy. the reasons used to justify molten was waged by nato and led by the u. s. b. not toys. i installment fund feelin d, that's been north. vietnam, m deacons, toiler, emily taylor, thus leisure political controller. beulah pushed him to the gue one of the global, to become undesirable countries and undesirable leaders become the face of the enemy. when she gets on manure for reuben, then mon zailynn island and folk, i didn't find present here as iceland. the v dot some find command, the oddly enough to source ish named stuffs. these and throu

this is a nato army uses. nato tactics, uses nato intelligence data, command control, nato, logistics. there's a heavy inflection in the presence of international forces. thousands of them. and there's advisors at every level attached to the ukranian staff. this is a nato army and they hit the russians in their weakest part and look, rushes can have to answer some serious questions. the defense that exists in the car called non doctrinal. it was ridiculous, it was absurd. and when you go up against a nato army, which is what they did, not a ukrainian army and nato army, you are decisively defeated. now russia chose to trade to trade space for men, et cetera. but if this was going to be the battle of the bulge, then we need pads. 3rd army to come in, he crushed, crushed the ukrainians. where is the 1st guard tank army? what happened to them? okay. all right, questions want to answer and that's right. ok gentlemen, i'm, we would, i, we have to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the current situation. anyway, same with for ah ah ah ah, ah, a

together they are co-chairs of the nato summit. these are premiere platforms of global leaders. this edition is hosted by the transatlantic security initiative. last week president vladimir putin further escalated the dangers swirling around his war in ukraine, his mobilization of 300,000 troops, illegal plans to occupy ukrainian territory and thinly veiled threats of nuclear weapons used. we use. we witnessed remarkable us leadership and transatlantic solidarity since boudin's february 24th invasion in providing assistance to ukraine and boosting nato's deterrence and defense. bipartisan support from congress has been crucial and consistent for supporting ukraine and strengthening nato including the remarkable 95-one ratification by the senate of membership applications. senators jeanne shaheen and thom tillis have been at the forefront of these efforts. today we look forward as the war moves into a dangerous new phase. to our audience, thank you for joining us for this important discussion. i encourage all of you watching to join the conversation on social media and share any

it was a nato operation. it was in legal nato operation. they killed over 2000 innocent civilians and frankly, innocent soldiers who hadn't declared war any body ah, for a it was also a vicarious war. it is intended to show russia the new russia. they couldn't go too far. the focus, i was mean of amiability, artist, one i scenario niga, others vienna, illegal staying up this year. we say no good. i'm here in the grocery, visio. oh, a national. he was lewinski scenario and that's not as be any with talk at the psychiatry or say the one. yeah. don't school go doors. yeah. you know what a man was not. he is actually go somewhere in the paper he has in there go. yeah. that's not that cool. mm hm. after the collapse of the wall, so a treaty organization, nato expanded east, despite having promised not to. but they did. nato said ha, it's ours. we moved east international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist. so truthfully, there's no such thing as international law. since the soviet union's collapse,

a root waffle. nato has revealed. it was planning to increase his military presence on russia's board as years before the conflict in ukraine of wrapped it in february, as despite moscow's warnings to the alliance. not to cross the t's red lines. we're talking about the biggest overhaul of our military structures since 1949. the planning for that started several years ago. but now we're implementing it with more on how nathan nathan has promised not to move one inch to the 8th. his fair rella is about nato is a defense alliance. they said, however, it turns out the blog had planned to expand its presence eastward towards russia's borders. years ago, long before the current conflict began and ukraine, it seems nato's defense chiefs didn't hold back, emphasizing a need to sustain and increase allied support to ukraine. the addition of finland and sweden and highlighting that nato will back ukraine for as long as it takes with one collective priority. collectively, we must deny russia the possibility to change today's ru

nato will help ukraine and stand for ukraine, because jensistotem said very important words, again, if ukraine stops a-a and there will be no again, at least within the limits recognized by international law and law, who should stop russia and nato does not want russia to seize ukraine because it won this war because the threat will spread not to other countries of the european union and member countries of the north atlantic alliance so this was the statement made, and there was also supposed to be a statement from antonivka teresh , the secretary general of the united nations, somewhere it will take place, i will say it, but a very important phrase about this was said by antonio goteresh. he said yes finally, we waited for this from him, he said that if a country that is a permanent member of the un security council, not all the countries that are in the un, there are hundreds, not all of them are permanent members of the security council, but russia is a permanent member of the un security council . he said that if a country that is a permanent member of the un security council allo

idea of ukraine joining nato. but what many were expecting from that presser? just didn't pan out. you did look quite jittery. you looked like you didn't quite exactly know what to say. the world was waiting for him to give decisive answers, and they didn't seem to get it. i time to learn more about this right out here. when i came to national crossing live to political analyst alexandra pipe. it's a very good evening to you. so thanks so much for coming on the program. you may have been listening to the report just not with the kind of mop in talking about a young stilton book. he sold a book. he really seemed a bit jittery this evening during his stay been to the press, he seemed a little bit nervous. even at times it did seem a bit lost for words, but i wanted to ask you to throw alexander to that the nato chief and said many times that nato condemned the referendums of the territories to join the russia. but let me look, nato is essentially at best. it's a military block, a military organization. why is it get

so that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. and i think it, it is. it's becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range was weapons, you have crossed the red line and the russians don't make idle threats. maxime in this basically the same to you because a, the way it's frame, this is russia and ukraine, but it seems, i mean, in lensky said already in the last few days on seeing that the without american support, he can continue his effort here. and then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were out behind the great offensive in konica. i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato eyes, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the conflict like this, there is no when, when is a i to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead. maxine, well, the thing here is, is not just demands. it kind of a certain reconfiguration of mi

the fifth article of nato, according to this logic, in theory, once finland is accepted into nato, thenically use to arrange a battery yes. this is an attack on the csto and, accordingly, the fans. yes , well, well, the border is approaching, but it just suited us that way, ukraine while it was a buffer zone, but that's the point, when it began to join nato and nato decided to master this buffer zone. here it was necessary to use a special operation about words, stoltenberg. you know, the well-known american economist jeffrey sacks answered him chicly today on the page and read an article by the same stoltenberg in the same one. shtaim yesterday, yes, and answered, he says, listen, you are nato americans. you again make afghanistan out of ukraine for you any liberation of the country, there and korea is mentioned this destruction of this country. you see, now you are turning from ukraine. that's it in afghanistan the only way. it is he, the famous economist, who explains to the general secretary to save the situation, to save it, including ukraine, it is to return to the march agreement

be relevant to nato. china takes a look at when everybody thought nato was fractured. extraordinary nato response we have had since february 24. they need to understand that not only those that recognize a significant military alignment, and it also recognizes a huge economy from buying the economies nato. china has to understand we were equipped to do what we had to do for russia. if they were to do something similar, they should expect a similar response. they stood up to the stress test and watching their results over time. which is why it is critically important we maintain -- for ukraine. host: do you fear one of the lessons could be, as we talked about ukrainians, really being trained and assisted by the americans more today? for eight years, the taiwanese are going through a slow modernization effort. it's government has a little bit of fighting among its cells. in a way we saw the ukrainians fight. could beijing take the opposite, they need to speed up before the taiwanese embrace -- before the am

it was a nato operation. it was an legal nato operation. they killed over 2000 innocent civilians and frankly, innocent soldiers who hadn't declared war any body a what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on often bearing dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time. time to sit down and talk ah, well not at war with b, m. western shipped to dennis, you jenner weston papers, are not in war with russia. they don't to be like direct cds. and i had to say such as he was to ease at war with russia. vietnam pushy, did, did, did a squash. it wasn't on richard way. use our ruining glasses in our political. ah, it was also a vicarious war. it was intended to show russia the new russia couldn't go too far the savanski. so as nina, what amiability auto squan, i scenario niga, others vienna, illegal staff this year. we say no good. i'm here in the grocery, visio. oh, a national. he was lisky scenario

what is nato's reaction? mr.toltenberg: such a sham votes and referendums do not have any legitimacy. they do not change the nature of the conflict. this remains a war of aggression by russia against an independent sovereign nation in europe, ukraine. this will only further worsen the situation, and therefore we need to provide more support to ukraine. annmarie: is he using this to get support at home, to say that i've had a success after what we saw with this counteroffensive in kharkiv from the ukrainian side? mr. stoltenberg: what is clear is that president putin has not changed his ambition when it comes to ukraine, to take control of ukraine, and we have to remember that he has stated clearly that this is not only about ukraine, but also changing the european security order. that was what he said before he invaded ukraine. so this is about ukraine's security, but also about our security. therefore, these kind of referendums are just another way of making the situation on the ground even worse. annmarie: if h

so that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. and i think it, it is, it's becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range what weapons you have crossed to red line. and the, the russians don't make idle threats. maxime in this is basically the same to you because a, the way it's frame, this is russia and ukraine. but it seems, i mean, in zalinski said already in the last few days unseen. and that the, without american support, he can continue his effort here. and then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were all behind the great defensive in konica. i mean, this is, it's not internationalize, it's nato iced. it's putting russia against nato, and in the conflict like this, there is no when, when is a i to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead, maxime. well, the thing here is, is not just demands. it kind of

too much disagreement within nato. certainly, hungary, but several other countries as well. certainly are not willing to bring ukraine in when that would auto magically at this point. preclude direct military conflict with russia. nato is of course, completely a political organization, a platform for the u. s. global military hedge him on to project power around the world. it's, it serves both, it's a physical platform, any political, fig leaf of multilateralism that's, that's what it does. especially in the video footage now from logan's go, where people have been reacting with chairs and tears i've put in announced the exception of the region into the russian federation. and people and her son also took the streets and celebration, although not too long. of course, due to that of security concerns reporting from the regional senior correspondent. but i guess the immediately after the end of his speech, during the applause that we heard, at the end of that speech, people began honking. their horns can hurt people shou

i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato eyes, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the, in the conflict like this, there's no win win as they like to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead, maxime. or the thing here is that is not just demands kind of a certain reconfiguration of military apperson, the russian side, which i think will happen. and in the short term, it also means if need to is going always force and weight behind ukraine. and it's clearly the potentials of nato and russia are as symmetric. and, you know, in this kind of conventional warfare rush is likely lose, which is not accepted by moscow that demands really reconfiguring the approach to the warfare and trying to advance to other domains. including non military domains, but seen russia have use these tools as well. but it also demands on the part of russia to more pain on nato countries, including their, you know, public works for, you know, support for a crane and also their economy standing in the military standing. so it