than nato allies are. up, the suggestion would be the ukrainian playbook, where you have russia affecting — and to some extent, this is arguably happening — the russians within latvia. if it was invaded, can you see the united states — possibly under president trump — coming to its defence under article five? yes, absolutely. an attack on latvia is an attack on nato. an attack on one is an attack on all. that's the core responsibility of nato, is that we protect each other — one for all, and all for one. and by doing that, we have been able to prevent any military attack against any nato ally for 75 years, even during the most dangerous and coldest period of the cold war. and that's the way we will continue to preserve peace... i know that's the argument, i know that's the argument. but it's entirely possible that by the end of the year, in the white house will be president trump, who has said — and latvia has paid its dues on its defence budget — but he has warned that he would encourage russia to go afte

nato.the united states and thirdly, the criticism in united states is not primarily against nato, it's against nato allies not spending enough money on nato. and then actually, we have a very good story to style tell because for many years, it was a valid point. european and canada do not spend enough from us side but things have really changed. we have increased defence spending across canada and europe and with no record high investments in europe and canada and more and more allies are meeting the 2% targets. it is in the us interest to have a strong nato because no other major power has anything like nato, there are more than 30 friends and allies. that makes the us are stronger. the us account for 25% of the world's gdp, together with nato allies, we account for 50% of the world's economic might and 50% of the world's military might. we have to remember also that the us have never fought alone in a war. they have always been there together with other allies, from the korea award to afg

as the chancellor of germany just said, we are closely cooperating in nato.are in the years after the end of the second world war, and i believe that it will be the same in the years to come. bohdan, donald trump talks about paying the bills, but nato is clear, there are no membership fees, it is about the obligation to spend at least 2% of gdp on defense. how fair and necessary are such reproaches towards countries that spend less? actually, reprimands are definitely needed, because in many countries... nato, at least so far , the level of defense spending, and that is exactly what we are talking about, that is, how much each a country, and now there are 30 of them in nato, spends on its defense as a percentage of the gross domestic product, and now the recommendation or commitment is 2%, and there are countries that spend more than where. by which indicators , for example, greece spends even more than the united states of america, poland spends a lot recently, a large, let's say , such a spender, you can say, a nato member is finland, a new nato member, tha

nato is enlarging with two new nations joining nato. nato is strengthening. along comes donald trump, there to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for russia. and for the united states and our nato allies, it cannot come at a worse time. trump's republican party is holding up aid to ukraine. trump is the gift that won't stop giving to vladimir putin. he he thinks, i am sure donald trump thinks this makes him sound strong, but it just makes him look like an incredibly weak leader, weak in not bolstering alliances, in undermining security. we benefit from the nato alliance as much as not more than any other nation. for him to signal to our allies who cannot rely on america anymore, it cannot be more dangerous and destructive. host: democratic congressman adam schiff on msnbc yesterday. one more on former president donald trump's comments, this from the editorial board of the "wall street journal," usually conservative views laid out there, this is what the board writes, donald trump says many provocative things, often intentionally, to rile up opponents. his

how will nato help? kiev? nato secretary general jens stoltenberg warned that the delay of the american. billion in aid already has a negative impact on the situation on the ukrainian front. stoltenberg called on the us congress to make a decision on the continuation of support and noted that supporting ukraine is not charity, it is an investment in our own security. the head of nato stated this today in brussels before the start of the meeting of defense ministers of the nato countries, in the framework of which a meeting of the nato council of ukraine took place. head of the ukrainian ministry. defense of rustem umerov joined the meeting via video link. the parties decided to create a center for joint analysis of education and training in poland. the center will allow ukraine to share its experience, as well as allow the armed forces to learn and train with nato partners. but all these meetings take place against the background of heavy battles. for example, the third assault brigade, which is considered one

nato, and that is sweden.t weedon, pauljohnson. has the death of alexei navalny deepened your already existing concern about your already existing concern about your existing neighbour russia? {iii your existing neighbour russia? of course, everything that is family and friends and relatives and the responsibilities for this is on russia and putin himself. sweden's own support _ russia and putin himself. sweden's own support for _ russia and putin himself. sweden's own support for ukraine _ russia and putin himself. sweden's own support for ukraine in - russia and putin himself. sweden's own support for ukraine in its - russia and putin himself. sweden's own support for ukraine in its war l own support for ukraine in its war against russia, is yourjoining of nato imminent? you are sure that hungary, the last country whose support you need is forthcoming? yes, we are very helpful. already the other allies have ratified it and what we're hearing now from budapest is that they are willing also to ratify us in the

i leave ukraine with it on ambitions to join nato? ambitions to 'oin nato?hink we win — ambitions to join nato? i think we will see some _ ambitions to join nato? i think we will see some progress - ambitions to join nato? i think we will see some progress for| we will see some progress for ukraine tojoin nato we will see some progress for ukraine to join nato at the washington summit injuly, washington summit in july, there washington summit injuly, there is no agreement among the nato ally to bring the light thatis nato ally to bring the light that is in war with the alliance because doing so, will make nato as a whole, potted to that war and that's one thing that war and that's one thing that nato has tried to avoid but clearly, a signal being sent to ukraine they want the fighting is over, there is a durable ceasefire and is this, doesn't have to be a peace agreement, it should be no fighting that at that time bringing this ukrainian into nato is something that not on the ukrainian. at, nato is something that not on the ukrainian.— the ukrainian. a short

nato is doing that now. i think part of what we have to do is make sure we stop them in ukraine and part of what we do not just in the u.s. bitterroot -- in all our countries is make sure we are reminding the public, because we have seen decreasing support in the u.s. for ukraine, reminding them of how important it is to stop vladimir putin here, getting the message out, building support to get the weapons that ukraine will need to continue to fight. >> can i ask you to pick up on the progress nato nations are making and what you are demanding for more defense spending? works in 2014 nato made the very important decision triggered by russia's illegal annexation of crimea. we have to increase defense spending. that was at a nato summit in wales. i remember i was there and i thought this was just another pledge but not what was going to happen. the reality is a lot has happened. all nato allies have increased defense spending. this year we expect 18 allies to meet 2% of gdp spending on defense up from three in

— leave ukraine's ambitions to join nato? we will see some progress _ join nato?ome progress for _ join nato? we will see some progress for ukraine - join nato? we will see some progress for ukraine joining | progress for ukraine joining nato injuly of course, there is no agreement among the nato allies to bring in a country thatis allies to bring in a country that is at war into the alliance because doing so would make nato as a whole party to that war and that is one thing that war and that is one thing that nato is trying to avoid but clearly, the signal being sent to ukraine that once the fighting is over, when there is a durable cease—fire, or an armistice, does not have to be a peace agreement comes as no fighting at the time, bringing ukraine into nato is something that not only ukraine but nato would also want. prime minister rishi sunak has denied accusations of islamophobia within the ruling conservative party. rishi sunak was responding to the first time the comments of the party chairman about the mayor of london. he claimed that he was under control o

in nato stood by america's side. nevertheless, before the president and i took office, some questioned the usefulness of nato, suggesting it was obsolete. some in my country also questioned the value of our commitment to nato's collective defense and calls for their withdrawal of u.s. troops from germany. now, thanks to the leadership of the united states, nato is stronger, larger, more unified and more effective than ever before. we have reinforced nato's eastern flank with more weapons and forces, including air defense and fighter coverage. a sustained presence of army brigade and a permanent u.s. army headquarters in poland. and of course europeans are also stepping up. since president biden and i took office, the number of nato members that have met the goal of spending 2% of gdp has doubled. nato has also added one new member and we are on track to add another. and we look forward to welcoming both finland and sweden to washington for nato's 75th anniversary summit this summer. [applause] around the world we hav

. welcomed in moscow and cause alarm in nato capitals-— in nato capitals.. thank you, good to get your thoughts — in nato capitals. thank you, good to get your thoughts on _ in nato capitals. thank you, good to get your thoughts on that. _ let's speak to generaljarmo lindberg, the former finnish chief of defence, who is also curently an mp but let's focus on the defence for now. let's focus on the defence comments from donald trump. in your opinion, can the us withdrawal from nato? from donald trump. in your opinion, can the us withdrawalfrom nato? trio. can the us withdrawalfrom nato? no, it's a bit more — can the us withdrawal from nato? ttfr, it's a bit more difficult now when congress activated new legislation where the president personally cannot pull out from nato. so there needs to be a decision from the senate and there needs to be a new law passed. it's more difficult. more difficult it but what if he gets the support he needs? what should countries be doing to prepare for that? qt should countries be doing to prepare for that? .., , , for that? of

had nato territory -- of nato territory. let me close with this. you heard me say this before. our nation stands at an inflexion point. an inflexion point in history. where the decisions we make now are going to determine the course of our future for decades to come. this is one of those moments. and i say to house members, house republicans, you got to decide. are you going to stand up for freedom or are you going to side with terror and tyranny? you're going to stand with ukraine or are you going to stand with putin? will you stand with america or trump? republicans and democrats in the senate came together to send a message of unity to the world. it's time for the house republicans to do the same thing. to pass this bill immediately. to stand for decency, stand for democracy, to stand up to the so-called leader hell bent on weakening american security. and i mean it sincerely. history is watching. history is watching. and moments like this, we have to remember who we are. we're the united states of america. the world is l

since they joined nato. and i think the positions are significantly strengthened significantly reinforced. and against the background, the pushed her against russia to undertake any thought experiments to the challenge in april positions in, in the region. the messages that it can be potentially a very bad idea. so baltic, same data like bout succeed nato lake. so definitely in board time, they'll peroration on capability. also the russian baltics leads to conduct maneuvers will be significantly limited. sports going at the same time, we have the us equivocating about further support for ukraine and presumed republican presidential candidate donald trump casting doubt on whether the us would even defend all of its fellow nato allies. under those circumstances, doesn't that dyed leute the effects of this expansion by undermining trust in the notion of collective defense as a whole i yes me in the i think your question is called correct. i'm should not forget that sweden and finland joined nature. also that co

public opinion, what nato is preparing, nato wants, this is this conflict. even according to the statement, in december, former british prime minister cameron said that war between nato and russia will happen in 5 years, then other leaders picked up with different dates, who said. after 10 years, who said within 3-5 years, this is the preparation of public opinion, the fact that, in principle, nato is already fighting with the hands of the ukrainians, we have repeatedly discussed in this studio, it’s just that the ukrainians perform the function of the advanced nato infantry. at the same time, it is worth paying attention to the changes in legislation that are taking place in ukraine. that's last week changes were made to the national guard of ukraine , which is part of the systems of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, it was... foreigners were allowed to join, that is , it turns out that now citizens of ukraine who serve in the national guard will most likely be asked to go to the front in some assault brigade of the ministry of internal affairs l

nato said, any attack on nato will be met with a united and forceful response.s, doesn't it, at a very sensitive time? the war in ukraine. in kyiv, they are desperately low on weaponry and ammunition. in washington at the us congress, some republican lawmakers back on a crucial bill at the moment in congress. that bill will grant $60 billion of military aid to ukraine. president biden has repeatedly called on congress to pass that much needed legislation. i want to ask you about some news we had earlier in the programme, that the white house has spoken to president netanyahu about the war in gaza, and that president biden urged prime minister netanyahu not to start his offensive until there is an evacuation plan for the more than 1.4 million gazans in rafah today. how is the white house balancing its relationship to israel as a staunch ally, as an offensive like this is being planned? yes, just now we've had that readout of the call between president biden and benjamin netanyahu, reaffirming their shared goal to see hamas defeated. mention of the release of host

nato will be stronger— members of nato.his will be good not only for swedish security, but also for the security of other nato countries.— countries. the swedish commander-in-chief l countries. the swedish i commander-in-chief said last countries. the swedish _ commander-in-chief said last month commander—in—chief said last month that all swedes should mentally prepare for war. of course there are places in your country like in the far north that controls the passage through the seed that is very close to russia. i think you are around 200 miles from the nearest city? russia is our neighbouring country and all— russia is our neighbouring country and all swedes, we have grown up with a _ and all swedes, we have grown up with a fear— and all swedes, we have grown up with a fear of russia and of course, being _ with a fear of russia and of course, being part — with a fear of russia and of course, being part of it nato is important for us _ being part of it nato is important for us but— being part of it nato is important for us

ukraine is closer to nato membership than l is closer to nato membership than ever before and that isnt decisions at our summit last year. then we decided to turn the membership process for ukraine from a two step process to a i—step process, by removing the requirement for a membership action plan. normally, we had this requirement before an invitation can beissued requirement before an invitation can be issued to an applicant country, they had to be part of something called a membership action plan. we said ukraine doesn't need that so just by doing that, we made the whole access process much more simpler and faster for ukraine. the other decision we made was to establish a nato ukraine council that met today which is a platform to strongly deepen our political cooperation and move again ukraine closer to membership in strengthening our political cooperation. thirdly, we agreed a comprehensive programme. we are ensuring that ukrainian armed forces have standards, doctrines, procedures which makes them fully compatible with nato forces. by doing that, the aim is to move ukraine as a

we know that this is trump's position on nato. we know he's not a fan of nato. he spent his 1st presidency complaining about the, the members who didn't pay up and in his way of saying, and yet he is able to shock americans on the world by saying, you know what, he thinks in a, in a particularly outragious way. and the world is certainly reacting in eco, i'd like to get to you and munich, a, the munich security conference gathers international leaders in germany to talk about global security issues. as donald trump, one of them is one of the lead us or one of the issues. i think that's what would be the basics. um, i would say one of the issues up already for the moment be certainly i think this is a long campaign coming into united states. we should alsco sales to christian to we really want to deal with what donald trump says every day. at the same time, it is true that especially at this munich security conference, the question, how do you or pm's will continue to support your claim? and what was your opinions to a folder on security to deter russia? the ques

united states, and then it is not known what will happen with the supply of weapons, and then, if natoere to take over. self supply management, it can make life easier for ukrainians and ukrainian soldiers in the first place. on the third hand, we do not know how the production of weapons is developing, this is also an extremely important moment, this moment is such that we feel and have some information, some arguments, which they say accelerated in 22-23 years, now i will remind 24. the fourth military - the industrial complex of both the united states and european countries, and production will constantly increase, increase, increase, and it is obvious that this is an increase in the production of both weapons and ammunition, ammunition, it is for the benefit of ukraine, where, as here, what can we here with you decide or say, how good, the good news is that nato wants to lead. steiny coordinate the supply of weapons to ukraine, not the united states of america, i am saying that this is what i roughly imagine, i am explaining to you, you can also think in this direction if you like

we are seeing that emerging across nato capitals in europe.you look at the eu plans, they are also wanting the broader continent to spend on defense. the question is how will they fund that. we are seeing that traditional divide among european nations about raising new debt to fund the defense policy. now on one hand, some countries are in favor of that and on the other hand, others are critical of going down that route. when i spoke to the prime minister of belgium, he sounded quite supportive of this idea of coming together to raise new debt for defense plans. take a look sdpl. >> we need to make sure we have a war time economy to produce. this defense is inter linked. we as europeans will do our part of that. we are in favor of using the capital markets to speed up military spending. i'm in favor of that as well. this is not a magic solution, but it could help to speed up and expand our industrial capacity. that is really what is at stake today. >> reporter: you heard from the prime minister of belgium saying that raising new debt could be

which will become a member of nato. this also underscores one of the many ways in which prudence aggression against ukraine has been an epic and strategic failure for russia and how it is precipitated the very things we have sought to prevent. he wanted to shrink nato. it is now larger and getting larger still. he wanted to weaken data, make a stronger than it has ever been. all of this will come to an important inflection point when we get to the nato summit that we are very honored to have in washington in july. i think this will be the most ambitious summit since the end of the cold war. whether it is russia, there are definite -- very different ways, the subdomain, terrorism and what you are seeing is alliance coming together in new ways and in stronger ways to ensure that it can deal effectively with those challenges and even as we are celebrating 75 years of its history, the real focus will be on the neck 75 years and everything they do has done to adapt and make itself as it has been, indispensable some of those

and that this plan and because nato is a defensive alliance, nato does not want an even bigger conflict across europe. so that is, that has been the policy from the stop agreed by o, a allies. and i would dispute some of the, some of the points made by a, by on exams or in feature. i think we have actually seen unprecedented to unity, unprecedented support. uh, from uh, from the stock, from both the united states, canada european allies and many others around the world. so the support that has been provided to ukraine has been unprecedented. the unity has been unprecedented. but of course, this is something about the national governments have to work, work on every day. and we see, and that is a fact that russia is getting a lot of our munition, a lot of drones, lots of other support from fellow autocracies around the world, in particular north korea and wrong. so it's absolutely key that the democracy is also step up and that is in fact what's being happening of countries in, in nato, are investing much more in, in the defense then. then they did the a couple of years ago, 18 out of su

hold them and the whole all the parliaments and the nato countries have voted for sweden to join nato. and it's of course, historic day that we're witnessing and he's the worst dog can be seen. brings in the a very capable uh, forces of 1st clause the defense industry on the street and spends a 2 percent of g d, p on defense. and also demonstrate stop to naples store is open. uh uh, that's preston to 10 did not succeed in his attempt to close dental store. there still a few parliamentary formalities, congress presidents must sign off on sweden succession, but that's expected to happen within a few days. and dw corresponding terry schultz told us more about the reactions from nato states to sweden, succession being greenwood as well. the nordic countries have definitely been signaling help please. they are with this that the final country. sweden will be entering nato within just a few days. a swedish prime minister of christ or son came out instead of to historic day for sweden. they said the country is ready to shoulder its responsibility in euro, atlantic security, nato secretary ge

they say that now the nuclear deterrent forces for europe are in the hands of nato, and nato, what does it mean? nuclear weapon. german finance minister christian lindner believes that discussing nuclear rivalry means that we need deterrence, deterrence includes a relationship so that no one wants deterrence with us as advisable. lindner spoke in favor of expanding cooperation with france and great britain. french president emmanuel macron offered cooperation in different ways, said the leader of the fdp. we should take donald trump's recent statement as a call to continue to think about this element of european security under. and nato. in doing so, lindner deviates from the previous line of chancellor olaf scholz, who still opposes the debate about changing nato's course towards nuclear deterrence. currently , nato's nuclear arsenal is based almost entirely on us nuclear weapons. britain and france are the only two other nato countries with such weapons systems. is europe capable of protecting itself from russia without the us alliance? i think the chancellor made it clear to washingt

what are we going to get from nato? at the washington summit, they're talking about bilateral security guarantees between nato allies and ukraine, trying to help ward off for the russian aggression, trying to convince the ukrainians that nato does have its back, even if it's not a full ally. but that's what she was asking about. also about the f sixteens a we, you know, the, this is still in the works. um, there are many countries, as you heard, the secretary general say working on how an f, 16 delivery would work for ukraine, spare parts, training of pilots. the other thing you heard him say was that there's going to be a drink training center, a stablish where your premiums will come and get more training. that's been done, piece meal by allies until now. it also allows nato to learn from the people who know very best how to fight russia. so that's something that was announced here at this meeting. what struck me that he started off as press conference with rattling down notes and notes of numbers of how much money na

it will and their nato allies? of course it is- it will be _ and their nato allies?e interesting _ and their nato allies? of course it is. it will be interesting to - and their nato allies? of course it is. it will be interesting to see - is. it will be interesting to see how nato secretary—generaljens stoltenberg response, if he does, but i'm sure he will feel he probably needs to weigh in on this. i think two things. first of all, trump is speaking to his base here. what we can call maybe the internet angry is. i am a veteran myself and have been engaged with us veterans on this and the level of anger amongst them, normally when you are in an allied military there is a good deal of respect and joviality but there is a lot of anger among some us veterans about the fact that nato is not paying its way, and many nations are not paying its way. it is quite extreme. and in some ways trump is playing into his base on that, regurgitating what makes them angry. it does have an impact and there is a real worry i think emerging in nato about this fact. one, russia has put it

wouldn't have dared attack nato. we have a war. >> the gunfire you can hear is ukrainian troops try to shoot down a suspected russian drone. christian: the u.n. security council meets to discuss ukraine on the people of the second anniversary of the war. this is a live shot of the chamber in new york. the british foreign secretary will speak shortly. we will hear from the polish prident, who hasn't spoken exclusively tissue has spoken exclusively to this program about his concerns for european defense. andrew harding has been observing the war through the eyes of front-line soldiers in eastern ukraine. and we will focus on the meeting in paris this weekend where israel will participate in talks over a possible cease-fire in gaza. a very good evening. a year ago when we marked the first anniversary of the russian invasion, nato countries were united in their resolve to help ukraine. kyiv was beginning to retake significance weights of territory, and hopes for the ukrainian counteroffensive were high. on the eve of thi

i don't think that's a like the 1st step would be nato countries, because attacking the nato still is a very big risk for russia. and so, yeah, that's my take on this. however, when we take a look at the us perspective on this, rachel, i knew it was just telling us that this is not in the interest of the united states to, for example, pulls out of nato. but it seems like in the us, at least republicans or followers. i've done that from specifically, don't seem to think that would be a big deal if the us pull that up later as the country that much more vulnerable. if that happens, i mean, and there's a sort of narrow view of security and a broader view of security. if you take the narrow view of searching, you that really have to do a sort of territorial attacks against the united states or something like that. this is probably the way you know, trumping a lot of his voters would think about security there of course more focused on the southern border and where there are, you know, concerns or things like terrorism. and so to make the case that sort of the war and ukraine or poland has

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, the treaty on the membership of nato countries, and we can definitely say that... and alexander stup, they fully support the conditions under which the country became a member of nato, and there are such features , which, which havistas simply say that they need to talk more about it, more so that the parliament is actively involved in this, and that we remember, for example, that... and one of the candidates for the position president jussi galago, he clearly said during the race during the first before the first round of voting that regarding the use of the finnish military in nato operations, he will think separately to make a decision about it. and that is, he is really trying to take such a staunchly position that finland's membership in nato is allegedly limited, and finland's membership in nato is possible, and havisto and alexander stup, clearly they definitely, clearly support membership, and this means, and this means that the nation as a whole is in favor of nato , because we talked about it, that finland... is a very democratic country, and if the leade

nato members have agreed to spend 2% of their gdp on defence.p made the comments during an election campaign rally in south carolina on saturday — take a listen. nato was busted until i came along. i said, everybody�*s got to pay. they said, if we don't pay, are you still going to protect us? i said absolutely not. they couldn't believe the answer. they asked me that question, one of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, "well, sir, if we don't pay and we are attacked by russia, will you protect us?" i said, "you didn't pay, you're delinquent?" he said, "yes, let's say that happened." "no, i would not protect you." in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. you've got to pay. you've got to pay your bills. earlier, i spoke to dr patrick bury, a defence and security expert at the university of bath and former nato analyst. i asked him for his analysis of mr trump's comments. trump is speaking to his base here. what we can call maybe the internet angries. i am a veteran myself and have been engaged with us veter

there will be no nato troops in ukraine. western leaders are ahead of the curve commenting on macron's unexpected statement. meanwhile, american aid to ukraine continues to slow down. protect the region. transnistria. the separatists did not dare to ask russia directly, but they are begging for protection from the so-called pressure of moldova. over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with diplomat and politician roman bezsmertny, aviation expert valery romanenko, and journalist tetyana vysotska, who monitors the work of the european parliament session. the second part of our program will feature political experts maksym rozumny and ihor reiterovich however. before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of the destruction of rashi t-80 bv tanks in the beilohorivka area with the help of attack drones. let's see. friends, we are live on the channel and also on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are watching us live there now, please like this video and also vote in our

in 200. has to do with nato enlargement, putin didn't want nato enlargement, but he got sweden, he got, he got finland, he said to us, look, if you enlarge nato, we will have to intervene, we will have the military attack ukraine, we said, no, we will not do that, and so he talked and he got a wider nato, not a smaller. so this guy is telling the truth, it all had to do with nato enlargement, despite the protestations to the contrary, and here we are two years later, and they're still trying to enlarge nato, they're not going to get ukraine in nato, that is a bridge too far, well george samiali based on uh the line that mr. ray mcgovvern um also uh acted out and uh very much to the point of what's uh john stoltenberg, does he still is he still the nato chief, i think they found a replacement? anyways um the the type of achievement that you want to take a look at is not there and uh you would think that the us in particular would learn from it, but they're looking at another $60 billion dollars in aid. what is it about uh this that the us is not getting uh and not uh choosing the diplom