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on wednesday, i was in the commons speaking about europe nato, you canjoin me in knutsford in my constituencyn to our national life. fair to say that george steme 2 r 2— 2; fu—q —§- really about its constituents. but he would accept that there is life after parliament but not, as far as you are concerned one they are still getting an mp salary. it is about time. if you are an mp and you want to spend an afternoon earning if you are spending four and a half days jetting to new york, giving speeches in berlin and then in some hedge funds of this in the city, is wrong. you should be looking after your constituents. what about the argument that a lot of people in parliament could earn a lot more money outside but they choose to deny themselves a bigger salary than 78,000, so it is acceptable when you leave office to augment that salary, and that is the way you get a flow of people into parliament with greater ambition? you only allow a new flow of people if you allow the bed blockers, we could probably do better than that. i would probably take a close look at how much time they are spending in t

to meet with the nation's president ahead of his trip to brussels for his first ever nato summit friday. joining meer u.s. ambassador to nato. good to see you. i have to ask you, we have clips of putin and what you thought about that. >> well, what do you expect putin to say, right? >> yeah. >> of course we didn't do that. as far as tillerson goes, i think russia is still trying to hold open the door they could work with the trump administration. see what that administration might be willing to offer them. i think they are a little concerned right now that they haven't been getting the gifts that they were hoping to get from the trump administration. sanctions on ukraine -- or because of ukraine, for instance, are still in place. >> yeah. in the meantime, you have this situation with tillerson. he wasn't going to go first to nato. 27 other ministers. a chance for them, for many of them, to meet him for the first time. it is a different situation than you had with john kerry or cl hillary clinton. they were known quantities here. what do they want to get in is this in, first part, get a measure of t

huge test of that will be the nato summit coming up that he's going to attend. >> thank you. >> so let me address the burden sharing question maybe from a different angle than tom. we have been trying for years to get our wealthier nato allies to do more without much success. gates gave a hard speech toward the end of his tenure. i'm hopeful that trump's elevating this might put some pressure on them because they do need to do more in my view and they acknowledge it, but they don't do it. but at the same time, they probably need to rethink how they spend their money. they're compared to our budgets going to be modest. maybe they need to pick particular areas. maybe it's lift, where they concentrate -- not to say they have nothing elsewhere. but i'm not so sure the british still need a nuclear deterrent if they can't spend more. it's at least worth asking so some focusing of their attention on areas that would aid the overall alliance as well as some added spending i would hope would satisfy our new president. >> i will say two last words on the outstanding questions of the israeli/palesti

nato partners? reporter: yeah, well, let me explain what kind of spying was meant here. it was meant more of a disinformation and basically propaganda campaign that turkey is doing in germany to reach 3 million people of turkish dissent that live here in germany. there are 1.4 million eligible voters in germany, turkish voters in germany, that could vote in a controversial referendum, and erdogan needs every single vote. that is why the politicians are coming to campaign here, and also why we are seeing an increasing disinformation campaign. and of course that is something that shouldn't be done by a nato partner and the german government will most certainly react to very soon. brent: there was also another warning out today, the domestic intelligence agency expressing concern that turkish conflicts may be imported to germany. the agency had their -- the agency had there said that there is danger that these proxy fights will escalate because there is a high, hard-hitting potential for danger in both groups. as you said, there are millions, 3 million turks living in germa

how you finally asked me this will impact on nato. of course, if the russians creating a split within our western alliance, weaken nato. this also is the reason why it's so important that the secretary of state tillerson today visited brussels, and i'm sure message of unity once the counter meeting would be concluded today. host: okay. linda is calling on the democratic line from longwood, florida. linda. ning, caller: good morning. agree with mr. the nato as far as issues. relatives all and over the world and i have poland. in i have relatives in scotland. i have friends in france. nd the united kingdom and ermany, and they're all afraid of russia's meddling. country is the laughing stock of europe. no longer number 1. world war ii, we helped was europe. and at this point, i almost feel we're doomed. host: linda, let's let him respond. guest: i really agree. t is in the united states core interests to ensure integration this is a n europe. lesson from the second world united states has a ital interest in having peaceful friend on the

we will provide armed assistance to ukraine and greater coordination with nato defense planning. to me that sounds clear and straightforward, that is not conducive to a putin administration. >> i give you the same answer, mr. crawford. >> thank you, sir. it's also important to note that that platform was adopted in coordination with and in concert with the trump administration as they met at the convention and they went through the platform process. the trump campaign agreed to the platform condemning kremlin bee lidge republicans calling for increased sanctions against russia as i indicated in the text of that platform for the full restoration of ukraine territory for refusing to accept any territory change in russia, ukraine or elsewhere, and pledging to arm ukraine forces. i bring that up just to highlight and note the fact that none of that appears to be pro-putin or pro-russian language. >> mr. crawford, will you yield back to me? >> so, mr. comey, i just want to make sure. i know you're not going to comment on this, but i hope you'll take this back to your investigators because t

many consider the insult of angela merkel when she was here, why is he not going to a nato meeting? this.e: let meerstand where was he going to be during the meeting? >> i can't figure out where he's going. at some point he's going to russia. wherever he's going, it's hard to make a case there is a more important priority than the nat o. >> we wish we could ask questions. covering the state department is like covering a black box. he brought one reporter on his trip to asia and he's not really communicating with the press at all since the coming secretary of state. -- and: and show is shows no inclination that he feels it necessary. he doesn't feel like it's necessary for him at this time. >> it is somewhat stunning. secretary of state is, communicating a message and talking with reporters, it's unusual. charlie: what is your evaluation of the job he did on his most recent trip to asia? >> there's a lot of chatter in the white house about possible action against north korea or how to handle north korea as it becomes more bellicose in its weapons development. charlie: these are all things he said.

tell me the state of nato right now?iticism during the campaign, the president has tried to change his posture in recent weeks. have they -- can they come together? have they come together? >> well, this is the first foreign minister meeting of the new administration. we had a defense ministerial meeting in february where jim mattis attended. that by all accounts was a god meeting. i expect -- good meeting. i expect this will be a good meeting as well. there is anxiety. there is anxiety for two reasons. one, because russia is probing and testing and posing a more aggressive stance vis-a-vis nato. they're planning an exercise in the fall of 100,000 troops on nato's borders. and that's creating anxiety. among our allies, particularly in the east. at the same time, allies are worried about whether the united states will be there for them. clearly during the campaign, the president -- then candidate donald trump called nato obsolete and argued that it was not dealing with threats that it needed to be dealt with. afterwards h

andrew, let me start with you. nato has been a real topic of contention recently.ut it feels like the trump administration has warmed up to them. and the idea they are going to start paying their mayor share the next couple years and adjust what their mission statement is. >> my told commander in afghanistan used to say the only thing worse than allies is being in afghanistan without allies. montenegro is a small country but it's a strategic area. we fought two wars in the last 25 years to bring stability to it. it fits in with u.s. national security goals, even with an administration like donald trump. charles: a lot of people say nato has gone the antiquated. it may be time to think of a new way of approaching these issues. where do you stand on this? >> that's what rand paul is advocating. to return to the assertion that john mccain made is obviously false. most of rand palms fair detractors would say's an ideological man. a principled thinker. he has real issues with the kind of mccain approach to intervening everywhere, pledging to defend every nation on invol

. >> c spence "washington journal", live every day with me some policy issues that impact too. coming up on friday morning, former nato secretary-general joins us to discuss u.s. relations with nato and russia. environmental and energy reporter will talk about trump administration efforts to reverse obama eric, policies. foreign affairs contributor discusses how americans have lost faith in experts and why that's a problem. watch "washington journal", beginning live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on friday morning. join the discussion. >> former secretary of state and presidential candidate, hillary clinton speaks about the role women play in international politics and peace building efforts. mrs. clinton will present for awards presented annually by the georgetown university institute for women, peace and security. live coverage starts at 10:30 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> friday the former deppe terry secretary of state speaks about u.s. asia relations. live coverage from the johns hopkins university school of advanced studies starts at 1:00 p.m. on c-span. >> i've sunday noon eastern, investigative journalist annie jacobson as

nato. having other people contribute more is a good thing. but my meeting convinced me he understands the value of nato and the value of a strong america. had he wants to do business with russia and china, that's fine. you just got to do it from a position of strength. the only way you'll do business with russia is to make them pay a price for the activity they've been engaging in all over the world. i did a hearing yesterday with the baltic nations, ukraine georgia and poland. for 25 years russia has been trying to destroy these emerging democracies. >> reporter: interesting we're hearing for the first time that lindsey graham when he had lunch with donald trump yesterday and pressed upon the president his concerns with russia, pushing the president on russia, on vladmir putin, but he did not. it sounds like bring up the issue of wire tapping which is what lindsey graham and his counterpart on that committee are seeking today more documents on that and threatening subpoenas if the justice department doesn't provide the evidence. it could be embarrassing politically for

nato very recently. the possibility, the prospect of ukraine being invited in to membership right now is simply fantasy. and surely you know it. let meo you remember bucharest meeting of nato, bucharest summit in 2008? ukraine was promised to sign a membership action plan. so, in the end a number of nato member countries refused to support this idea. what happened afterwards? russia invaded georgia. then russia illegally annexed crimea and sent in troops to donetsk and luhansk. we paid a huge political price for this kind of decision. going back to our prospective nato membership, we are very pragmatic and realistic and i do understand that we cannot get it in the short term. but in the long term, in case if we modernise our military, if we pass reforms that are needed for the ukrainian military, and we are on track with these, with the support of brits, canadians and americans, if we approximate ukrainian military up to nato standards it's in your interests to have ukraine as a nato member. we are defending your borders and your security. i come back to the phrase wishful thinking. vladimir putin in effect has a veto on ukraine's me

nato has been forced to scramble jets nearly 800 times. let me repeat that 800 times in 2016 alone just to repond to russian encroachments on airspace. as the president speaks glowingly about putin, mr. putin returns the favor by deploying a dangedangerous new cruise missin clear violation of reagan-era intermediate range nuclear forces treaty. simultaneously a russian spy ship has been spotted lurking off the u.s. coast, trying to gather intelligence information near the navy's primary east. mr. coats: submarine -- east coast submarine -- mr. peters: we have seen the russian buildup at a pace faster than we ever, ever saw during the soviet era. russia is reopening defunct military outposts and building new ones all across the polar region. 13 new russian airfields are scheduled to open by the end of this year. the russian military recently staged and exercise in the arctic region with well over 12,000 troops. as the russians build up their forces in the arctic, the united states is falling behind. our principal maritime force in the arctic is th

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me, world as a whole. i reiterated to chancellor support forrong nato, as well as the need for our nato allies to pay their fair share for the cost of defense. vast sums ofowe money from past years, and it is very unfair to the united state. it -- states. these nations must pay what they owe.h -- they i think chancellor merkel for her commitment and for contributing at least 2% of gdp. it would like to thank the chancellor for her leadership in supporting nato and its efforts in afghanistan. thisas come at significant cost, including the lives of over 50 german soldiers, who se sacrifice we greatly honor. i also appreciate chancellor merkel's leadership, along with the french president to resolve the conflict in ukraine, where we ideally seek a peaceful solution. most importantly, our two countries must continue to work together to protect our people from radical islamic terrorism. also to defeat isis. i applaud chancellor merkel for germany's contributions, both civilian and military, as they counter isis coalition members. we also recognize that immigration security is national security. we must protect

nato ." ense planning again, to me, that sounds clear and straightforward that is not conducive to a putin administration. would you? >> same answer. eggs thank you. -- >> thank you. it is also important to know that platform was adopted in coordination and in concert with the trump administration as they met at a convention and went through the platform process. the jump campaign agreed the five form condemning the kremlin latrans. call for increased sanctions against russia as i indicated in the text of the platform. refusing to accept "any territorial change in eastern europe imposed by force in the ukraine or elsewhere in legend to aid the ukraine forces. i bring that up to highlight and note the fact that none of that appears to be pro-putin or pro-russian language. >> mr. crawford will you yield back to me. i asked mr. comey a one to make sure. i know you're not going to comment on this but i hope you will take suspect you investigators because there seems to be the line up dead out there that somehow their publican party watered down its platform and that is not true. that did not happen. in fact

providing assistance to the armed forces of ukraine and greater coordination with the nato defense planning. again, that, to me, that sounds fairly clear and straightforward that that is not conducive to a putin administration, would you agree? >> i give you the same answer, mr. crawford. >> thank you. it's also important to note that that platform was adopted in coordination and concert with the trump administration as they met at the convention and they went through the platform process. the trump campaign agreed to the platform condemning kremlin belligerence calling for continued and perhaps increased sanctions against russia as i indicated in the exthe of the platform for refusing to accept any territorial change in eastern europe imposed by force in ukraine or elsewhere and pledging to aid ukraine's armed forces. so i bring that up just to highlight and note the fact that none of that appears to be pro putin or pro-russian language. >> mr. crawford, will you yield back to me. >> yes, mr. cuomoey, i want to make sure, i know you are not going to comment on this, i hope that you will take this back to your

but he also said something that struck me, he said we strongly support nato. different things in the same address. >> reporter: yeah, i think there was some mixed messaging. he said we strongly support nato but with the caveat that we will not continue to blindly support nato, other countries will need to pay their fair share. what we were hearing from him is america is ready to lead but we're not going to use the traditional mechanisms that the u.s. has used in its global interaction, whether that be foreign aid, whether that be a disproportionate amount of spending on nato, or whether that be trying to project u.s. values to an international audience. president trump was saying, we're going to mind our own business to a certain extent, if you want to go about your ways in your own country that's your prerogative provided they don't affect america or challenge world peace. he talked about forging new friendships and finding new partnerships, potentially with a nod to russia. >> america is willing to find new friends or forge new partnerships where shared inte

nato. that is a really strange dynamic to me. bill: -- in the hands of. >> i know this might not be your beat, but i was curious why nbc news sat on the access hollywood tape for as long as they did? bill: my colleague who covers the media, he wrote a story. i think they found it friday. they found it on a monday. the dispute was that the entertainment division, they wanted to do it. dohink maybe they wanted to bush'son where billy voice was not even heard, it was bus sayingon the this to himself. [laughter] david: the only part, i read. i didn't report. bill: we will do one more. >> david, thank you for your fake news. [laughter] >> we have a president who is a pathological liar, extreme narcissist. we're all wrestling with this. i get to the point where i say, i don't believe anything that he says. that will go for a lot of his associates. i wonder how you discuss or propose how you meet that challenge where we have an administration where you ought to be covering what they do. what is the strategy? you could adopt a media poli

we can't do it, we shouldn't do it, and air to one, if it was up to me, i would suspend the turks from nato right now. liz: that's a dramatic statement, colonel. >> it is. liz: i'll take it at the moment. thank you so much for your perspective. and if you get a chance, everybody, read his up ed in the new york post today at nypost.com. closing bell we are about 47 minutes away. lulu lemon needs to do some series yoga, the athletic apparel retailer hitting a 52-week low after hitting profit estimates -- here's what's worst. forecast a decrease in same store sales coming out soon. had been up 5% over the last year. today it lost all of that and more. down 23%. the american economy, because lulu is a canadian economy. with gdp coming in today at a slightly better than expected 2.1%, will the fed hike rates three times or now four if things look better? we're going to take it with our expert traders. the one and only floor show. dow is up 64. yes? please repeat the objective. ♪ thrivent mutual funds. managed by humans, not robots. before investing, carefully read and consider fund objectives, r

nato summit. will he express president trump's harsh term? live to brussels next. show mecademy of country music awards. thank you so much for that down home welcome. show me female vocalist of the year. thank you so much. thank you so much acm's, i appreciate it. show me acm best moments. i could never have wished for, asked for and dreamt of anything more than this. catch your favorite moments from the acm awards and an exclusive encore performance by kelsea ballerini following the show on xfinity x1. the acm awards. live on sunday, april 2nd 8/7 central on cbs. >>> welcome back, secretary of state rex tillerson is in brussels attending his first nato summit meeting. president trump has caused nato obsolete. nick, do we expect tillerson to echo the president's criticism? >> reporter: you know, i think we're going to hear him amplify the message on spending. secretary tillerson arrived a couple minutes ago. he wants to talk about nato's stance against isis and nato resourcing, which is a euphemism for the gdp commitment that nato allies are signed up but 23 out of the 28

be logical for the kremlin to prefer a candidate that disparaged nato to be president of the united states? >> you're not going to put me in that spot you said? i'm happy with that. >> i'm not going to put you on the spot of answering whether this is an accurate characterization of mr. trump's views but would it be logical for the kremlin to want someone who has a dim view of nato. >> all kidding aside that's beyond my responsibilities. >> well what is the russian view of nato? do they like nato? do they want to see nato strong? >> again, i'm sure you have already spoken to people who are greater experts than by yeah they don't like nato. they in a know encircles them and threatens them. >>. >> would they have an impression of a candidate wants sanctions over ukraine? director, would they like to see the sanctions on ukraine go away? >> yes. >> would they have expression fored amirgs for putin. >> reformulate the question mr. putin likes people who like him. >> a candidate who encouraged brexit and other departures from europe, would they like to see more brexits? >> yes. >> have the russians in europe demonstrated a pr

me, of the world, as a whole. i reiterated to chancellor merkel my strong support for nato as well as the need for our nato allies to pay their fair share for the cost of defense. many nations owe vast sums of money from past years and it is very unfair to the united states. these nations must pay what they owe. during our meeting i thanked chancellor merkel for the german government's commitment to increase defense spending and work toward contributing at least 2% of g.d.p. i want to thank the chancellor for her leadership in supporting nato and its efforts in afghanistan. this has come at significant cost including the lives of over 50 german shold juniors hose sack fiss -- soldors. which we honor. also the conflict in ukraine here we ideally seek a peaceful solution. most importantly, our two countries must continue to work together to protect our people from radical islamic terrorism and to defeat isis. i applaud chancellor merkel for germany's contributions, both civilian and military, as a counter-isis coalition member. we also recognize that immigration security is national security. we must protect our ci

. >> let me close with this. nato has been mentioned here. that nato isagree important but there also has to be, within nato, an the unitedng that states stands strongly. is that correct? >> yes. if they see the united states able to be manipulated by russia doubts -- doese that so doubts in nato? >> we don't believe the united states is being manipulated by russia. but i guess we would be pretty nervous. do you agree with that? that this operation of russia was a one-time operation or might we see this in the future? the operation regarding the 2016. -- 2016 election? absolutely, they will be emboldened. whether they had an effect on the outcome, they had an effect am a course of the election. they will come back even stronger and they will perfect their techniques in countries like north korea, iran, china. thatwould just add europe's election calendar this year, beginning today with the dutch elections. we are going to see the continued incubation of this encourages that we must have a strong dialogue to understand both tactics and strateg

appropriate assistance to the armed forces of the ukraine and greater coordination with nato defense planning. to me that sounds fairly clear and straightforward that that's not conducive to a putin administration. would you agree? >> same answer, mr. crawford. mr. crawford: it's also important to note that that platform was adopted in coordination with and concert with the trump administration as they met at the convention and they went through the platform process. the trump campaign condemning kremlin belligerence and calling for sanctions against russia as i indicated in the section of -- text of that platform, for refusing to accept any territorial change imposed by force in ukraine or elsewhere and pledging to aid ukraine's armed forces. so i bring that up just to highlight and note the fact that none of that appears to be pro-putin or pro-russian language. >> mr. crawford, will you yield back to me? mr. comey, i know you're not going to comment on this, i hope you'll take this back to your investigators. there seems to be the line out there there that somehow the republican party watered down

be logical for the kremlin to prefer a candidate that dispairaged nato to be president of the united states. you're not going to put me in that spot you said? i'm happy with that. >> i'm not going to put you in the spot of answering whether this is an accurate representation, but it would be logical for the kremlin to want somebody who had a dim view of nato, is that right? >> all kidding aside, i don't think that's something i should be answering. that's beyond my responsibilities. >> well, what is the russian view of nato? do they like nato? do they want to see nato strong? >> again, i am sure you have already spoken to people who are greater experts than i, but they don't like nato. they think nato encircles them and threatens them. >> would they have a preference for a candidate that expressed an openness to repeeling the sanctions over ukraine? >> i don't want to get into business in commenting on that. >> let me ask you this, director. would they like to see the sanctions on ukraine go away? >> yes. would they have a preference for a candidate who expressed open admiration for putin? >> i hope you'll reformulate

nato funding, russian relations, expected to be big topic in their talk today. lieutenant colonel allen west is with meo they dress differences like on the refugee issue, come until west? >> good to be with you, charles. you have to be very up front. there is no doubt that angela merkel made some decisions that have had incredible adverse ramifications and consequences not just for germany but for all of europe and that was a very major reason you saw the "brexit" vote in england because of the immigration issue. that as well causes a big national security concern for the united states of america as you do have the terrorist elements infiltrated into europe. they can easily travel to the united states of america. think i they first and foremost have to admit, and angela merkel has to admit that was a mistake and she has suffered incredible consequences for her people there in germany. charles: i think maybe recently with some of their decisions if she's not willing to just get on the podium and say it, some of her actions indicate you're absolutely right, they realize we messed up. they are not trying

for more perspective on this, let me bring in general wesley clark the former nato commander.n. >> thank you. what does that statement mean from a military perspective coming from the president. is it clear to you what fighting he's talking about? >> it isn't clear. it sounds like a little cheerleading and i think the troops always need some encouragement and cheerleading. we've been engaged in iraq and afghanistan for over 15 years now and it's a long time and it's the longest war. if you nail it down, really, here's the problem. we're really good at blowing things up and attacking people. we're pretty good at training people and how to shoot and use weapons, but this really isn't our war directly, and at the end of the day even if we eliminate isis, the question is what's going to happen to syria? and that's what we're expecting to hear from this administration. they've got guys like jim mattis in charge and tillerson's in charge at state. what's the plan? what's the strategy? what are we over there doing because we're, woring side by side with with the iranians to try to de

me, of the world as a whole. i reiterated to chancellor merkel my strong support for nato as well as the need for our nato allies to pay their fair share for the cost of defense. many nations eau vast sums -- owe vast sums of money from past years, and it is very unfair to the united states. these nations must pay what they owe. during our meeting i thanked chancellor merkel for the german government's commitment to increase defense spending and work toward contributing at least 2% of gdp. i want to the thank the chancellor for her leadership in supporting nato and its efforts in afghanistan. this has come at significant cost including the lives of over 50 german soldiers whose sacrifice we greatly honor. i also appreciate chancellor merkel's leadership along with the french president to resolve the conflict in ukraine where we ideally seek a peaceful solution. most importantly, our two countries must continue to work together to protect our people from radical islamic terrorism and to defeat isis. i applaud chancellor merkel for germany's contributions both civilian and military as a counter-isis coalition memb

spot, would it be logical for kremlin to prefer a candidate that disparaged nato in the united states? >> you will not put mein a spot. i'm happy with that. >> not asking you whether this is accurate characterization of mr. trump's views, would be it logical for they should -- >> all kidding aside, i don't think that is something i should be answering. that is beyond my responsibilities. >> well, what is the, what is the russian view of nato? do they like nato? they want to see nato strong? >> again, i'm sure you have already spoken to people who are greater experts than i, yeah, they don't like nato. they think nato encircles them and threatens them. >> and would they have a preference for a candidate that expressed an openness to repealing sanctions over ukraine? >> i don't want to get in business commenting on that. >> let me ask you, director, would they like to seat sanctions on ukraine go away? >> yes. >> would they have preference for a candidate that expressed opened a mir race for putin? >> i hope you reformulate the question. mr. putin would like people that like him. >> would they have have a pref

are shocked when the secretary of state apparently is not going to make the nato minute sistisu ministerial. that, believe me the impact of view from washington from europe to nato and that weakens our security. >> how unusual has rex tillerson's role been in the first couple of months? he has voiced privately to a lot of people his own frustration. he is a ceo. he used so doing things the way he wants to do them and this is an entirely different job. >> it is. the one that really shocked me was refusing to take press with him an ying, well, i don't need that as though somehow the press are there to puff up a secretary. the press are there for us, for the country. i think there has been a series of missteps, which to some degree, understandable. he is new on the job and he is a ceo. but he has no team behind him. he doesn't seem to be making progress on it. and we are making the wrong decisions. so we need state department to get in the game. >> admiral, shifting to afghanistan quickly. the current u.s. nato commander has said he has seen russia influence on afghan militants who have just retaken in helmand

nato. >> you're not going to put me in that spot? >> it would be logical for the kremlin to want someone who had a dim view of nato. >> all kidding aside, i don't think that's something i should be answering. that's beyond -- beyond my responsibilities. >> well, what is the russian view of nato? do they like nato? do they want to see nato strong? >> again, i'm sure you have already spoken to people who are greater experts than i but yeah they don't like nato. they think nato encircles them and threatens them. >> would they have a preference for a candidate who made comments to the openness of ukraine. >> i don't want to -- >> let me ask you this director, would they like to see the sanctions on ukraine go away? >> yes about >> mr. putin would like people who like him. >> would they have a preference for a candidate who encouraged brexit and other departures from europe? would they like to see more brexits? >> yes. >> and have the russians in europe demonstrated a preference for business people as political leaders with the hope that t

joining me is chief international security and diplomacy analyst and former nato supreme allied commandersee you. what's the broad implication of these charges? there is no other way to look at it considering there are two russian government officials involved as well as two clearly state sponsored cyberhackers. this is akin to the attack on sony pictures by the north korean government several years ago. it demands a response. it's a cyberattack and i think it ought to be at the top of the news we're talking about today, frankly. >> you've used the word explosive. two obvious questions. why do you think they did what they did, number one. number two, beyond these four arrests, what else could be done? >> why they did it needs to be fully nvestigate but this happened in 2013, 2014. this is well before the current electoral process. but one could surmise this is an effort to get into u.s. networks and get into u.s. large message providers and find paths to influence. so think of it as prep tore to what we saw during the election. that's a potential noted for all of this. and respond by stre

nato. he just let that happen. that's a strange dynamic to me. bill: still trying to sort all of that out. i know this might not be your beef, but there has been nbc news about why the set on the access tape as long as it did. david: i know -- covered the story --he wrote a started with a story on monday, and i think the dispute was the entertainment division, which owned overseas "access hollywood" what it to do it and that once it to do a version of it where billy bush's voice was not heard, just trump by himself on the bus -- [laughter] david: i did report that. bill: we will do one more. yes, sir. >> thank you for all of your fake news. this is great. up on what you are just saying. we have a president who apparently is a pathological liar and he seems narcissist. and so, we are all wrestling with this in our heads. i get to the point we don't -- i don't believe anything that he says, just nothing. and that would go for a lot of his associates as well. posto you discuss of the how you meet that challenge where you have an administration where

>> this reminded me of that line thingsorman, where escalated quickly. they are both members of natobeen hoping to join the european union. then you wake up in your calling a g7 country, perhaps the only country still standing up for western liberal values, equating them with the nazis. it was a big escalation and deterioration and it puts angela merkel and a big bind. one way to look at it for president erdogan is that it is a win-win. up.as his referendum coming he has to campaign. he either goes to germany and appeals to the voters there, or is stopped from doing so and we play the victim card and come out with strong rhetoric, re for angela merkel, it is a bit of lose-lose. they had that agreement to stop the flow, so she either has to risk that coming apart or allowing him to come in and challenge on the freedom of speech. germany isously coming out and saying these comments were unacceptable. i'm just wondering what else did they say on these remarks from president erdogan? >> angela merkel's hands are tied on this one. your member when that comedian redd that poem that was pre

me, of the world as a whole. i reiterated my strong support for nato as well as the need for our nato allies to pay their fair share. many nations owe vast sums of money from past years and it is very unfair to the united states. these nations must pay what they owe. i thanked chancellor merkel for the german government's commitment that increase defense spending and work toward contributing at least 2% of gdp. i want to thank the chancellor for her leadership and efforts of supporting afghanistan. this has come at significant costs, including the lives of over 50 german soldiers, whose sacrifice we greatly honor. i also appreciate chancellor merkel's leadership along with the french president, to resolve the conflict in ukraine. where we ideally seek a peaceful solution. most importantly, our two countries must continue to work together to protect our people from radical islamic terrorism and to defeat isis. i applaud chancellor merkel. we also recognize immigration security is national security. we must protect our citizens from those who seek to spread terrorism, extremism and violence inside our borders. immigr