on missile defense, turkey did support, of course, the state -- nato state at lisbon, they support the nato effort to have a phase adaptive approach to radar system. we've moved beyond that generality to have detailed technical discussions and legal discussions with the government of turkey. we're hoping, not fully, they want to understand what this will mean for turkey in all its technical, political, legal, and security aspects how it will make turkey more secure as well as the rest of nato. and we believe we're addressing those questions in full and substantive detail. we hope that the turkish government will feel it has enough information to make a decision very soon. i'll be racing back there to try to find out more, where we are on that. >> senator menendez. >> thank you, madam chairlady. condition garagelations to both of you on your nominations. ambassador, i enjoyed the last conversation we had, i want to pursue some items that developed since we speak. one is with reference to cyprus, as we know, the parties are engaged in pretty intense talks facilitated by the united nation

states. this was a very significant nato operation that the united states was not at the forefront but it did underscore to succeed nato had to be, the united states had to be involved, had to be involved in this operation. there is no handing off to nato. the united states is part of the alliance and i think this operation probably could have gone more efficiently, more effectively if the united states had been a full partner throughout the operation. even what it did underscored that probably couldn't have been pulled off without the united states being in the there in the role it played. so, yes, there was a thin consensus over the operation. there were muddled objectives and strategy, particularly at the beginning. there was an ambivalent u.s. role, a sense of ambivalence going into a military operation is a difficult and dangerous thing. and there have been some particularly strong divisions in europe, particularly with germany abstention at the u.n. security council. think i there are real implications to that. the key takeaway for the alliance that gates's message, libya didn't disprov

entirely negative factor protecting the civilian population was nato stated aim when they intervened in the libyan conflict but asia times correspondent pepe escobar says the alliance always had a different agenda. this is the cover story in this story from the beginning was our to be responsibility to protect that was the basis for a un resolution one nine seventy three there is that bathes of the agreement between the u.s. and saudi arabia we get a resolution based on your fake arab league vault nine countries out of twenty two and you can do it you want with bahrain saudi arabia itself but this was the cover story sold to american and european public opinion especially the chinese the russians many people in brazil for that matter they're not buying it they know it's a u.s. nato coordinator operation without them there will be no victor just will be a still middle go for ever and we have the international community sort of basically deaf lantus ist powers taking sides in a civil war so when they knew that they could go on for months or years on end it's ok let's try to take tripol

nails done all that you are bombings here absolutely nato and the leaders of the nato states have to be held accountable as war criminals they've killed civilians in roping that we will be safely taken out by an international contingent from the united nations not from nato the british are talking about evacuating this place only for five nationals. only for five if they are not the rest of us. that was medina talked to earlier and now the white house has hailed what it called a tipping point for the regime of colonel gadhafi but amid the positive sentiments perils have already been drawn to egyptian celebrations on tahrir square and the disillusionment that later followed are just going to shift our reports from washington d.c. . president obama spoke earlier this sunday night saying tripoli is slipping from the grasp of a thai randel so that must relinquish power once and for all nato secretary general has made a statement of similar in fact saying that could be regime is crumbling and that now the libyans have a chance for a new beginning he also said that the transition must come

have begun their own fight for libya's vast oil riches artie's sarah ferguson reports now on the nato states lining up to secure lucrative energy contracts. still to the house of mesa model was and you'll strike oil whether or not that sayings churi when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the countries here we have to fear restrung interests that means . western interests to protect to destroy and. also to rebel to any way the future libyan government interests and to restart sending all this it's possible to a stranger to the concepts of friends with benefits. quick to casey out to the new transitional council inviting the public face of the great well it's really it's. these places you have here an ally in the nato a bombing campaign began back in april remember up he switched sides and again the rebels in the full the wall almost the third day energy needs were imported from libya an oil giant any with the largest foreign operates in the country the government. i have been doing all they can to safeguard these contracts but the if they will be able to maintain the

have begun bear own fight for their beers fast or oil riches are too sour furth reports now on the nato states lining up to secure lucrative energy contracts. drill to the heart of most modern walls and you'll strike oil whether or not that's sayings true when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future here we have two very strong interests that meet. the western interest to test the torah. but also to rebel to ordinary future media government interest to restart selling all this possible this stranger to the concept of friends with benefits gagne's being quick to casey up to the new transitional council who invited the public face of the group. so it's really the tool was good at these places and you have here an ally when the nato bombing campaign began back in april remember up to the switch sides began courting the rebels. the full the wall almost a third of its least daily energy needs were imported from libya an oil giant any was the largest foreign operator in the country the. they had been doing all they can to safeguard these contracts but the if

powers have begun their own fight for libya's vast oil riches or peace or for reports now on the nato states lining up to secure lucrative energy contracts. kill to the hearts of most modern was and you'll strike oil whether or not that's sayings true but it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future q we have to feel rich from interest that meets. the western interest to check if it's one. or two rebels why don't we try living interesting we start shelling worst possible the stranger to the concepts of friends with benefits berlusconi's being quick to casey up to the new transitional council inviting the public face of the group which left me djibril to italy saw. these closest european allies in the late a bombing campaign began back in april when a properly switched sides began courting the rebels in full the wall almost a third of its least daily energy needs were imported from libya an oil giant any with the largest four operating in the country because many here have been doing all they can to safeguard these contracts with the if they will be able to

powers have begun their own fight for libya's vast oil riches archies sarah firth reports now on the nato states lining up to secure lucrative energy contracts. kill to the hearts of most modern was and you'll strike oil whether or not that's sayings true when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future here we have to feel restruck interest me. the first interest to check each one. to rebel to find a way to try to live in government interest to restart selling all it's possible to this stranger to the concepts of friends with better. again he's been quick to casey up to the new transitional council inviting the public face of the great grill to italy. these closest you have here an ally in the nato a bombing campaign began back in april when a properly switch sides began courting the rebels in full the wall almost a third of its least daily energy needs were imported from libya and oil any with the largest foreign operator in the country because many here have been doing all they can to safeguard these contracts with italy will be able to maintain its previo

several nato states threatening action against syria with the u.n. security council set to hold an emergency meeting on the situation that of course is activists reported syrian security forces have renewed attacks on the city of hama more than one hundred people is said to have been killed on sunday when government tanks forced their way into the opposition stronghold russia's condemned the violence in syria calling on both sides the government and the opposition to abstain from brutality and abide by the law this is the e.u. is expanding its sanctions on the massacres so let's talk more about the prospects than of resolving the situation in syria and basil east with his former u.k. ambassador to the country joining us now live from oxford mr eastwood thanks very much for being with us and taking the time as a former ambassador to syria you know the country and the people there well what do you see as the best solution to this worsening crisis. i have to say that i don't see any solution in sight at the moment what one would hope would happen is tha

next tonight several nato states are threatening action against syria with the u.n. security council said to hold an emergency meeting on the situation that says activists support the syrian security forces have renewed attacks on the city of hama more than one hundred people are said to have been killed on sunday when government tanks forced their way into the opposition stronghold of russia's condemned the violence in syria calling on both sides the government and the opposition to abstain from brutality and abide by the law meantime the e.u. is expanding sanctions on damascus there's more the situation in syria from michael maloof is former pentagon officer joining us now from washington thanks so much for being with us michael much appreciated so present a sad has admitted the country must embrace reform yet we still see tanks on the streets how serious do you think the regime is then about change after all this we're seeing all this violence right up to this current day. well i think stability is the key in any government regime such as assad's and i think you s

diplomatic solution at the moment is the foreign intervention of the us france and britain and the other nato states and the persian gulf states do you think. will be prolonged of the september do you think we might see strikes continue after september. well there is of course the possibility i mean there is a united nations general assembly meeting on september the nineteen where it appears as though they are going to call for a resolution to suspend the bombing but as we know in the past nato has not respected the united nations in iraq in israel or anywhere else so there is the likelihood that they will the nato is in a real dilemma now because us that they have failed to secure a military solution. but then obviously as we know the united states france and britain the arrogance of these these countries they can never just admit that like in afghanistan like in iraq and elsewhere that they got it wrong they expect to secure victory within a couple of weeks they have been unable to do so and this is because of the popular support of the libyan government here and so they are in a dilemma now where

several nato states are threatening action against syria with the un security council set to hold an emergency meeting on this situation it comes as residents of the city of hama report that the army has resumed shelling residential areas after more than one hundred people were killed on sunday according to local reports russia has condemned the violence in syria calling on birth the government and opposition to seize conflict and abide by the law meanwhile the u.s. is expanding sanctions on damascus and professor joshua landis from the university of oklahoma told us that sanctions may not work as they end up targeting the people rather than the government. as ramadan comes and the opposition so that every day would be friday we think the government is clearly trying to take control of how much and doesn't want to become a site or perhaps a new military to grow up the free syrian military or a new political order the west feels it needs to do something it doesn't want to stop trade you know we've tried sanctions in iraq in libya they haven't worked very much and when they have work t

several nato states are threatening action against syria tonight that says eyewitnesses report that the country's security forces have a new there are attacks on the city of hama more than a hundred people is said to been killed on sunday when government times forced their way into the opposition stronghold. russia has condemned the violence in syria calling on both sides the opposition and the governments of staying for brutality and abide by the law germany many times called for the emergency u.n. security council meeting to discuss the situation which will be held later monday with the e.u. imposing more sanctions on the mass chaos political analyst spring thinks serious problems should be settled without external interference it's going to be a mix that of people who have decided that the way to deal with this issue is to is to take arms and contest for the monopoly of violence we've seen that happen in syria a number of times including nine hundred eighty two which of course resulted in a truly brutal crackdown of tens of thousands of people killed so there is some of that there wi

several nato states are threatening action against syria advances eye witnesses report that country's security forces have renewed their attacks on the city of hama are more than one hundred people are said to have been killed on sunday when government times forced their way into the opposition stronghold or russia has condemned the violence in syria going on both sides the government and opposition to abstain from brutality and have by the law meanwhile germany is calling for an emergency session of the u.n. security council but even expanding sanctions against and asking us to stop i walked upright and the arab nations as western countries have the credibility you need. in series of facts. the interference of the outside world in my view can be counterproductive unless it is down properly rather than just making peace while statements like for instance the usa will decide whether the president of syria has next in the sea or not everybody is asking what right do the americans have to put this question anyway let alone deciding it but they seem to be doing this selectively they have

meantime several nato states are threatening action against syria when the u.n. security council said to hold an emergency meeting on the situation it comes as residents of the city of hama report that the army has resumed shelling residential areas there more than one hundred people are said to have been killed on sunday when government tanks forced their way into the opposition stronghold russia's condemned the violence in syria calling on both sides the government and the opposition to abstain from brutality and abide by the law meantime the use expanding sanctions on damascus let's try to round all this up talk to professor joshua landis is from the center of a mideast studies at the university of oklahoma thanks for being with us professor much appreciate it so serious forces are continuing to crack down on the people despite government promises of reform and change why. well how are those which is the center of this crackdown. came left government control about three weeks ago the government the governor allowed to called off the troops and withdrew securit

several nato states is threatening action against syria that says eyewitnesses report of the country's security forces have renewed their attacks on the city of hama more than one hundred people are said to have been killed on sunday when government tanks forced their way into the opposition stronghold russia's condemned the violence in syria calling on both sides the government and opposition to abstain from brutality and abide by the law he's called for the u.n. security council meeting to discuss the situation which will be held on monday that's when the even posing more sanctions on damascus let's get more of what's happening in syria then talk to jonathan directly he's a political scientist joining us on the line from the jonathan thanks for being on out see international much appreciate your taking the time there were fourteen hundred now reported killed in syria's violent crackdown there is the u.n. likely to make a stronger stand. well i hope so very much and it's absolutely over to you but i have doubts that there will be meaningful effective sanctions by the u.n. security cou

but nato could not have won it, john, without the united states support all the way. is thing has exposed nato as a paper tiger, but it ought to send in the peacekeepepe. >> at least nato did more than usual on that case. especially france. without the air cover you would not have seen a gaddafi overthrow. >> and the four countries liftedes in nato, none of them -- the united states didn't get -- >> nato is not conspicuous. >> obama did it right. he helped -- [everyone talking at once] k >> where you getting that from? kucinich -- >> the lawsuit. >> the fact of the matter -- people were talking impeachment, blah, blah, blah. now it's working. but the fact is he's did not get the u.s. more deeply involved. pat is right. this is the most dangerous time for lib are libya or any other country. why we want to put american troops in the middle of this chaos -- >> i disagree that is exposes nato as a paper tiger. they're involved at the turning point there. >> what about the u.s.? >> the u.s. cannot play -- [everyone talking at once] >> excuse me. it vindicates the president'

that nato has shown patience. that the united states has supported nato. and that over a period of about five months, that the allied coalition has been able to maintain pressure on gadhafi. close off his eastern, western and now i guess his southern escape routes and he has no choice but to flee. >> heather: we have reports that -- not confirmed by fox coming about from the bbc world service. that gadhafi is in algeria. >> that's right. again it goes back to ground troops. all the propaganda and all the colonel gadhafi rhetoric has fallen aside. the fact that his capital has been besieged, penetrated, the egg has been cracked and he has no choice but to three. >> heather: what do you think will happen -- happen next in terms of rebels taking control? >> that is critical. the bottom line is i don't know. as we've seen in iraq, and other places, the key now is to translate military success into long term sustaining governance. so far we have no idea how well this will go. this is not like iraq, not like afghanistan this is completely different. and unique s

protection of the libyan civilians and unprecedented coalition was formed that included the united states, our natoartners and arab nations, and in march, the international community launched a operation to stop gadhafi and his administration in the tracks. in the early intervention, the united states provided the bulk of the firepower and then our friends and allies stepped forward. at the transitional national council established itself as a credible representative of the libyan people, and the united states, together with our european allies and friends across the region, recognized the tmc as a legitimate governing authority in libya. gadhafi was cut off from arms and cash and his forces were steadily degraded. from benghazi to misrata to the western mountains the libyan opposition courageously confronted the regime, and the tide turned in their favor. over the last several days, the situation in libya has reached a tipping point. as the opposition increased the coordination from east to west and took town after town and the people of tripoli rose up to claim their freedom. for over four decade

both regimes being allies of the united states and the nato under the head of the state was removed whereas in syria and libya not only the head is to be removed but the whole state is to be dismantled and replaced by something more congenial to the and trusts and the power structure of imperialism and the reads on basically a dialogue is much better of course it's better for in thousand on peace in syria we want the syrians to talk to each other and be able to come out with the summer. for and by themselves without exploding out of medley so absolutely i think is the way to go but it doesn't work this way this is not about oh. your argument is it's. whether you use force or not this is the argument of force not the force of your argument so to speak i think russia should be a defense more vigorously at these more than they did in the case of libya especially. the way the nato alliance have played their cards in libya using the resolution one thousand seven hundred thirty two just before you militant runs on the ground i think they're going to try to do the same thing in the united nations

dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a state for nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato has vision of their country they need to wake up and saying that they have been you. now you're watching r t and there's plenty ahead for you this hour including surviving on scratch all u.s. carmakers who once received bailouts are now reaping the rewards more and more locals of detroit are forced to deal in scrap just to make ends meet. and a real out of this world experience a russian built orbital votel is due to be put into space it just five years for those with cash to splash a perfect view. russia has once again the called of the conflicting sides in syria to end the bloodshed and move from the battlefield to the negotiating table well it's also urged the country's opposition to yield to a peaceful solution as it says this is the only way t

same as what's replaced the state in iraq and afghanistan which is a dysfunctional gov complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake from nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato his vision for their country may need to wake up and seeing that they're being used. and sasser can see that lamb university says it was nato who helped make the red vault in libya possible and what's happening can hardly be described as the will of the people. western powers have interests in libya among them most important of course libyan oil clearly there are bulls were created by the western powers initially there were few demonstrations that were paying. and then of course the western powers nato had interfere. is not just the military power in the area that they are pushing they have also increasingly weapons on the ground for their roles they have also supported them with special forces from britain even the united states but are giving the

same as what's replaced the state in iraq afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake from nato they would prefer to see failed states and states powerful and independent and able to challenge their jimminy and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato vision for their country they need to wake up and seeing that they're being used. and dr franklin lamb of from americans for middle east peace is currently in tripoli and believes nato will not leave libya anytime soon. i think nato allies are now part of the libyan interim different form. until there's a new stronger leadership here that's not beholden to it. and who becomes arguably more nationalistic on the street martin last check winds not a lot of fighting that we're aware of this morning going around the streets lots of checkpoints surrounding our. adopted people for example in any two year old she was mumbling through our. on in our last night for your loss of government . our tissues popping in and out of the hotel yesterday they searched around th

same as what's replaced the state in iraq and afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake for nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato his vision for their country may need to wake up and saying that they're being used. british m.p. barry gardiner from the main opposition labor party says helping the rebels with their ground assault went way beyond the terms of the un resolution on libya you can watch the full interview with him next hour but here's a preview. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no occupation force one of the things that troubled me all this was this week unreasonably as to whether there should be troops on the ground as the rebels were going into tripoli we had go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by obviously british soldiers british personne

same as what's replaced the state in iraq afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake for nato would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato vision for their country they need to wake up and seeing that they're being used. and coming up on r t we're on a storm watch the city that never sleeps braves tropical storm irene as it's something u.s. east coast living through the big gap. now the russian government has ordered a major shake up of the country's space agency after the loss of yet another mission a progress resupply craft for failed to reach the international space station and burned up in the earth's atmosphere all six crew members aboard the i assess will now have to ration out the food and water they have left are the grooves has more. the moment it's came crashing down. launched on wednesday from the baikonur cosmodrome three hundred twenty five seconds later the progress craft ato

even in an accident and that's what they're about but they're also clearly surrogate the united states and nato as i also point out mighty despite all this you know the hollywood story of ragtag group who just won a boat or something like that immediately when they were involved establish a central bank. you know the rubble you know i wonder that was that was one of their first operation so clearly they were acting as surrogate for nato they're actually surrogates of the united states that were. regime change and how to kind of bigger picture way but all that real quickly i think the immediate aftermath of this war is going to be some kind of chaos because these rebels are not just united but all ragtag crew these rebels often hate one another they're actually worried that the rebels calling downby to air. one another again they're going to rival different coalitions so i think what is going to need in the immediate aftermath you need something like asking these are certainly are armed rebels who make up a group that may have the one goal in common and taking down gadhafi certainly have a lot o

an unprecedented coalition that included the united states, nato partners and arab nations. march, the international community launched a military operation to save lives and stop khadafy forces in their tracks. in the early days of this intervention the united states provided the bulk of the firepower and our friends and allies stepped forward. transitional national council established itself as a credible representative of the libyan people and the united states together with our european allies and friends across the region recognize them as legitimate governing authority. khadafy was cut off from arms and cash. from benghazi, to misurata and western mountains, the libyan opposition confronted the regime over the last several days, the situation in libya has reached a tipping point. the opposition increased coordination from east to west, took town after town and the people of tripoli rose up to claim their freedom. over four decades, libyan people have lived under the rule of a tyrant who denied them their most basic human rights. now, the celebration that we've seen in

to the investment by nato in the united states as well as other arab states is a breakdown of law and order inside the major cities. as richard just reported the traditional national council is based way to the east of benghazi and tripoli in the best of times never really had anything but dick torl police state controlling the city. if that evaporates there's a danger of looting, a doirch of instability. the history tells us that leaderless revolutions are not good for democrats. there's a huge power vacuum that is going to be the subject of intense efforts to try to cease control by many of the tribal leaders that have largely waited by the sidelines here. >> in fact, that's one of the concerns that we talked about months ago when the fighting first began in libya is who are the rebels? who do they have ties to in terms of sponsors, in terms of weapons? it wasn't just nato that we were hearing was pushing the rebels to lead this insurgentsy against muammar gadhafi. how does they toe help? how does the united states help make sure t

people bad mouth pieces of nato over a place the libyan state with the same as what's replaced the state in iraq and afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake for nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for nato and in libya and fighting for the t.n.c. really need to understand that this is nato is a vision for their country many to wake up and seeing that they have been used. you're watching us here and coming up a little while we'll staunch the city that never sleeps has been lying low as tropical storm irene sweeps up the u.s. east coast turning streets of the big apple and many other places into rivers while claiming nineteen lives. and find out why some believe france is harsh austerity cuts could lead to british style rivals social unrest. prime minister vladimir putin has ordered a review and improvements to russia's space industry after yet another unmanned spacecraft crashed on wednesd

nato have to play. well there you know colin powell had a had a slogan he said it's the pottery barn rule which is a shop in the united states and you you break it you buy it and look at nato now i believe and the arab league have a moral responsibility to stabilize the situation in libya after the fall of gadhafi you can't just go in and use force of arms and destabilize entire nation and then leave so there's got to be a coordinated long term reconstruction security first basic services right after that have to be restored that's a huge logistical challenge it's got to be under a u.n. rubric and it's going to take the resources of not just the west but the arab league as well which you'll recall. the arab league authorize this intervention in the first what if i might seem to some. that would be most of the advantage of nato if indeed there is continued k. also really have to do civil war in libya the nato would have the need as you were saying to establish more of a presence in the region perhaps then to the if a job securing the mineral wealth of libya as we know some of the major oil play is a european or players alread

been successful without nato support there's no question about that we basically helped nato in the united states military of which you know which is the major player helped the rebels overthrow of the khadafi regime but it looks like that may really be done now and i think nato nato is work is done at the end of there are a mandate so you confident that we won't see a situation where the rebels made up a different tribal factions old so that there's an islamic element in the national sentiment too are you confident that we will see peace and that won't be in the for nato to step in if perhaps we see these factions starting fighting amongst themselves and leading to the possibility of another civil war. and that's the big question that's a really good point what are we going to get is it going to be a free for all is it going to be everybody fighting for power. like there was in iraq after our invasion and the overthrow of the saddam government what is going to happen and i have to i have to say yes that's a that is something we don't know what's going to happen we're going to have to wait and se

other more distant countries to recognize us we're looking for partners for friendly states which are less dependent on nato's policy and the united states and despite some quite high pressure from the major powers such states are at their this process continues and it will not stop we are convinced that it cheating further international recognition will to a significant extent depend on how we keep on developing as a country on our progress in home affairs and what example we'll be setting. is joining russia an option any time and if you church. we are highly interested in joining those international organizations that russia our strategic partner is a member of for instance such organizations as the shanghai cooperation organization with his joint military program also euro sec and the customs union and many other organizations we'd like to participate wherever possible that's our interest but we are not talking about becoming part of another state and neither is russia thinking in such terms talks with georgia possible. in a certain format the talks with georgia are still ongoing if we think of the geneva

as nato was using the rebels to make a failed state. this war is fundamentally a war to maintain africa in a subordinate position in the global economy and twenty ten get out and he made a proposal to the african union that was adopted that no african country would allow a u.s. based on its soil since that time the u.s. has been desperate to get rid of gadhafi when we talk about the rebels this is a very disparate group really who's calling the shots as nato leaders that we hear about matthew jabril. these are people who have stablished links with western financial institutions are going back over several years so really when we hear from these people dead mark this is a major place for libyan state and we the same is what's replaced the state in iraq and afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake for nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are fighting for

nato's credibility has been on the rise. bringing a rege change in a way that was very clear on the political level. the stated mission was protection of civilians. from a historical perspective, there will be a big debate on whether nato did the right thing. for the people of tripoli and across libya who are looking forward to a future posmuammar gaddafi, think there will be in agreement that nato did the right thing for them. >> you have reported that two of gaddafi's sons have been seized. >> we do not have much detail. there has been so much misinformation from both sides from the beginning. we need to be cautious about trying to assert how much we know. the rebel leadership is now in negotiations to hand over seif and his, gaddafi's son heir apparent, and his other son, in custody. host: missy ryan, thank you. guest: thank you thank you. host: what do you think about this latest news out of libya? caller: good morning, c-span. this is a wise way to take down a tyrant. unlike the bring-them-on-bush crowd -- he will not get any credit, just like he brought down osama bin laden. we have three wonderfully min

and to states without nato, it is not going to make a difference. whether that opportunity has been grasped, i do not know. who is the way? i do not know. i hope that one of the lessons they are drawing from this operation, we need to get more involved in leading this alliance. it is informing objectives and moving in that next direction. i only hope that people are taking a serious look at what we are getting and what we have created. that is the question. >> neda has been that many crossroads over its history. it is different from the previous so-called crises of leadership. i think it will lead to unfortunately situation -- a situation very soon when questions of military contingencies come up, there will be a lack of u.s. will and a very significant lack of european capability to do anything. that will create a real crisis. next question? >> [inaudible] which is -- without spending. the uk [inaudible] are we going to get these in a concert, is that where you get the spending? >> i do not agree with your characterization of the policy. i believe

state this is the business which nato is involved in in libya in afghanistan and anywhere else they operate it's state terrorism pure and simple nato apache helicopters and jets have literally massacred and blown apart these rebels against the tripoli. meanwhile journalist richard spencer says that there is a nother war going on in libya and that's between the rebels who is going to be in charge after the gadhafi regime falls i think would be us as accomplish is to establish a calming civil war in libya which we have financed we will be and we will have trained a number of the people who will be killing one another. children and think that these rebels are these nice little folks who want democracy and and freedom. mcdonald's this is clearly a chance for them to gain power that they may be dead in acts of revenge against an old enemy but mainly for them to be in control and they're going to be fighting with each other for control for the next months in yours. foreign forces may have played a bigger role in the rebels' assault on triple even just support from the air u.k. intelligence agency

>> i heard one tripoli resident say last night god bless the united states and nato for helping us. is that reflective about the way people feel about the united states as they watch moammar gadhafi leave power? >> it's very ironic. here in libya, they welcome the american bombs and nato strikes and predator drones to help them overthrow moammar gadhafi. president obama is popular on the streets. it remains to be seen, however, if this popularity for the united states will extend after the military campaign is over and they no longer need our weapons but only need our economic help. >> live in benghazi this morning, we appreciate your calling. thank you for your insight. colonel jacobs, he's got a point, they like it when we drop our bombs. it may change tomorrow. >> it may have changed already and we don't know it. we are not dealing with these guys in any case. a lot of this was through us, but inner immediatearies. the british and the french have special forces on the ground now who have been training the rebel forces and are going to have to stay there awhile to make sure the pla