v chairman.ll, nator cardin and i serve on the epw committee. we've discussed these issues in disathee. to me the epa continues to underestimate costs and overestimate benefits. the costs are real, and they're both in dollars and in terms of jobs. i listened carefully to what he has said, and i just want to go back to the agreement. mact stands for maximum achievable control technology. they're for interrelated rules. this ought to be a part of this. ng unemployment benefits, the number of people that will lose their jobs because of this regulation, which has now been three different times evaluated with final regulations by the epa. in march of 2011, and then in december of 2011. their second final regulation, and then that was stayed. and then a third version coming out supposedly in april. and then the courts got involved. it is very, very difficult for anyone to try to comply with the confusing regulations coming out of this environmental protection agency. the epa came up with a standard for each of the regulated emissions. they in my opini