perfect panel for this, because ken, you work with your mother, she founded the company, the natori company're the president. and jaime kern lima. you founded the company "it cosmeti cosmetics" that you just sold for a billion dollars with your husband. does it work? >> yes. it can and it is tough. they say never work with your friends and family. in my case, i started with our husband and my first employee was my best girlfriend of 20 years. we are all still together, thank god. >> so people say if you're going to work with family members, have lines of division. you go home and don't talk about it after 7:00 or make sure this is your job, this is your job. i founded my company with my brother, all the rules went out the window. it is completely mixed. how do you guys do it? >> it's tough. i worked at the company for about ten years now and was fortunate to have two work experiences prior. so that was helpful in terms of framing how i approach things. you know, there are so many great things about working in a family business. your interests are aligned, you trust each other, you have a lo

she founded the natori company.ow you're the president. >> yes. >> and jamie kern lima you sold it cosmetics with your husband. >> yes. >> you have been together the whole time through. >> yes. absolutely. it is tough. they say never work with your friends and family. in my case i started with my husband. and my employee was a girlfriend for 20 years much we are all still together. >> have lines of division, right? you go home and you don't talk about it after 7:00. or this is your job, this is your job. i founded my company with my brother. all the rules went out the window. it is completely mixed. how do you guys do it? >> it's tough. i've worked at the company for ten years now. and i was fortunate to have two work experiences prior. that was helpful in terms of framing how i approach thing. there are so many great things about framing a family business. interests are aligned, you have a long-term vision. that's great. 90% to 95% of the time working in a family business is wonderful. what i would say is that 5% t