and of course nato has a capability which is required by default. from nato. so that needs to be much further integrated, and that cooperation needs to be deepened. and that's what i see as the major instrument. because we have a lot of -- a lot of knowledge in that regard. but we need to share it. and actually, sometimes when anything proves itself to be a good practice, well that probably should become the standard for all the allies. and exactly through nato, that's the other major use or major positive role of nato is that this is the transatlantic bond. in the framework of nato, europe, and the u.s. can do anything together. i don't know whether it's anything, but a lot. and cyberdefense is one of those things. i have to admit in my country we are starting this. we have certain infrastructure and capabilities. but they are not on the level which is required in order to really be sure that we have a reliable cyberdefense. so we have a lot of work to do. we have just adopted an anti-terrorist law and a law on cyberdefense. so we are basically walking around

make sure native survives. -- nato survives. how does nato survive? germany unified spirit -- unifies. perhaps it might demilitarize, perhaps it might join the warsaw pact and nato, which no one could conceive of entirely. all of germany might inter-nato, but nato troops might never enter eastern germany. was thataction anything that diminishes germany's position in nato diminishes nato. conclusion, this is why i think that bush can be understood as a grand strategist who lose not only within the stream of history but beyond platitudes. a person who was able to do nothing but be hippocratic when he fought the stream was moving in the right direction, but a person who simultaneously is willing to act and act when he had his corp. beliefs and values questioned. they mattered to bush more than anything else, that only the united states was capable of maintaining order in a post-cold war world. we can argue and dissect that assumption, i do understand bush, one needs to understand that this was the most important idea of all. thank you. [applause] >> expe

where are the other 20 nato countries? president obama's silenced on that question and it is appalling nato has not been organized to address the isis threat. diane finestein agrees, quote, it is now time to recognize that u.s. presidents could enhance the effort to eliminate islamic state to serve as an attack force against islamic faith would make a major impact. and would help eliminate isis safe havens. correct, we're hoping she'd come on the factor to talk about it but she has declined. you may have noticed there is a pattern morn democratic senators. they're not paranoid but there seems to be an effort to keep democrat politicians off this network. anyway. both hillary clinton and donald trump have put forth strategies. >> my administration will aggressively furs yu joint and coalition military operations to crush and destroy isis. international cooperation to cutoff their funding, expanded intelligence sharing and cyber warfare to disable their propaganda and recruiting. >> we cannot contain isis. we must defeat isi

there's the nato e-3 sentry pool, the nato c-17 pool. any chance of, like, a nato p-8 or whatever they roll out next out of airbus for their next generation and, obviously, what the lower barriers of entry, some sort of alliance common, you know, platform that, you know, doesn't matter whether it's a norwegian, what the heck, sweden, finland, patrol craft that you can just, you know, take it around to whoever? >> do you want me to start that? i mean, the road of potential nato programs is long and extremely rubble. and i think there are some quite good arguments thinking about it in principle. in practice it tends to come out not quite that way. particularly in this domain we're discussing today, there tends to be a lot of concern to keep national sovereign capabilities. so one of the issues with developing a nato wide capability is who owns it, who orders it where, what's the basis it does its own patrolling and the need in particular, relatively scarce assets, sometimes send them outside the nato theater of operations, so that's one of

and are the nato allies doing enough to assist turkey, and in what areas is nato's help most needed?ink the call is important. and certainly focusing on turkey i think would be the most important issue. how well have they been an ally? certainly in the context of the coup attempt was the genesis of mr. erdogan's call for additional help from nato. the turkish military is really hampered by the post coup environment. they do need help. i think nato could help with additional intelligence and warning capability. they are already helping in turkey at incirlik air base able to do missions inside of syria and also supporting greater freedom of movement of nato forces, if that would be something that the turkish would welcome. especially during in that keyboarder area where this latest suicide attack occurred. >> a couple of things there popping into my mind based on what you just said, captain wells. first of all, you've got russia now flying, being allowed to fly out of incirlik as well. what does that mean? and also the u.s. had, you know, warned turkey in the past saying hey, look, you

we will work with nato allies to combat terrorism around the world. we will provide our military the resources that they need. we will increase funding for the fbi counterterrorism initiatives and the activities. we will expand dhs airport perimeter programs. number five, we will take guns out of the hands of suspected terrorists by passing no-fly, no buy. those are five priorities we could have gotten done. those are five priorities house republicans have completely turned their backs on. this has become an august of apology for their presidential candidate. it needs to be an august of action for the american people. all we have faced is inaction and damage to our national security. with that, i will turn it over to congressman andre carson. >> thank you, steve. thank you very much. to start, i want to thank our very remarkable, capable and visionary leader, leader pelosi for not only inviting me but inviting us to be a part of the recent security delegation to europe, particularly italy and afghanistan. we want to thank all the leaders we had to mee

. >> the prime objective of the foreign policy of putin has been to destroy nato. >> nato is obsolete and extremely expensive to the united states. >> this gets at this issue of putin, russia and nato. >> right. >> let me ask you une kwif quickly, where is he on nato? >> i mean, i'm going to state just like the current supreme ally commander just recently said. what nato needs to be done with is needs to be modernized. the organizations, the nations part of nato need to understand what their capabilities are and understand what their responsibilities are. and one of those responsibilities when you become a member of nato and sign up for that -- for the responsibilities that not only come with being -- with providing c respond for you in time of need is to pay your bills and i mean, that's a big deal. if we -- it doesn't mean we're not going to, you know, support our responsibilities as america, but this means people have to realize -- >> he actually said he might with hold, that you have to think about those things. was that a responsible thing to say? >> i think what we have to do is

we have nato.en i was active duty we used to joke that's nato stood for no action, talk only. you look at the money they are putting into their defense. lower and lower percentages of gdp. something donald trump started talking about early in his campaign, how europe is not standing up. they continues even do libya without us bailing them out, and they ran out of bombs in the first two weeks. they are a paper tiger. putin is looking strong. he now has president erdogan from turkey to bolster it. it's the perm nants annexation of the crimea. as your other guest said. august is a good time to do it. by the time anybody gets around to doing anything, it will be winter, and everybody knows the russian winter. charles: james, with respect to nato, trump argues that it's antiquated, maybe its core mission is still relevant as well? >> i think nato's mission has never been more relevant since the ends of the cold war. you have russia annexing territory for the first time since the end of world war ii. i w

system into a nato system and what this might mean for cyber attacks or gaining information about nato, we saw the leak of the istanbul prosecutor's report for ftd where we focused a great deal on illicit finances. this has been attributed to the gulen movement and i have no reason to doubt that it was the gulen movement that leaked this report. it is mind-boggling the amount detailed in their. banks facilitating illegal transactions, classic money laundering techniques, over invoicing, amazing ways of bringing money through turkey and on to places like iran. estimated to be around $100 billion. really an astounding report. never quite confirmed as official but it did illicit a massive crackdown. the crackdown on the gulen movement was in response to many of these leaks. what was troubling was that we were not seeing the turkish parliament or the judiciary being able to take action or being able to investigate when the purges began at a slower pace. noticed the financial action task force was the u.n. of terrorism finance ,nd had finally delisted turkey a country that was not up to sta

and under the command of nato. it is and will be during the meeting of the -- [inaudible] without trying to build nuclear capabilities, that's what we are looking at the black sea with our partners, nato partners have access and at the same time we would -- we would be -- we would like to see more not only black sea countries to be involved in this, because you know that there are several black sea formats, none of them is working, none of them. so now what we need is nato presence, the nato black in the black sea and the command needs to be -- that was our position. i know we didn't reach a huge audience because it's a very not interesting position, might be perceived at not scandalous. that's why it took so much attention. this is actually the position with which we went to the nato summit and this is what we want now, this is what we will continue to defend in the upcoming meeting of ministers of defense in october. >> very good. we could have a mic over here. that was very clear, so thank you. [laughter] >> ple

. >> i want to talk about nato, and donald trump originally said that he thought nato was somewhat obsoleteat some countries are not paying their fair share and now he's walked that back saying he will work very closely with nato. it will really be a wash? does it matter what we ultimately outline as our strategy with nato? >> having spent 12 years of my career in europe, ashleigh, no i don't want to speak for the american people in terms of understanding or not understanding nato. it is challenging to understand the full implications of the things nato does, but how they have been helping on the terrorism front in the last 16 years since they first declared article 5 after 9/11, they have been in the fight alongside u.s. soldiers, as a matter of fact, we're a third of the force in afghanistan fighting terrorism. so i just have never really understand what mr. trump is saying, when he condemned them a few weeks ago and right after saying he was going to be friends with russia included nato, and maybe he took share suggestions in their counter terrorism actions was just cl s ridiculous to me

nato was obsolete.anged their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats. >> how has nato changed their policies in response to donald trump? >> his statement is that nato has evolved on terrorist threat and they've promised to be more helpful in the future. >> how have they evolved? >> he just gave a specific example. creating a task force to combat terror. >> but that's not true. politico reported on this nato basically responded directly, saying trump had nothing to do with the establishment of the intelligence post. >> specifically didn't say it was in response to him. >> but it does matter. if i had the time, i would replay it. he said since then -- he said, i previously said nato was obsolete because it failed to deal with terrorism. since my comments, they've changed their policy and have a new division. so you don't feel he's taking credit for that. >> no, i do not. >> what does about nato that he thinks would be positive about terrorism now, just so we understand. >> nato is a

there has been a lot of talk about whether turkey might be brisbane moved from nato. it will become located. i think that's an understatement. as we have studied nato not easy to join but it's also extremely difficult to be removed from it. it's kind of the hotel california. there is no wait you are leaving at least the way that things are currently constructed and i can't imagine that turkey would want to do that. but i can see a potential downgrading of ties and as we've heard a possible warming of ties. the concern now is for the airbase. this is home to 1500 american servicemen. it is home to a number of armed drones that have been active inside syria. we have other military assets otherwise search and rescue teams which are crucial given how close they are to the syrian border to be able to tape that. both from the u.s. in from other countries that may be operating inside syria and of course it's been widely reported that the united states or western countries have terrorists. the think all of it is going on with the great straight is deeply troubling. i think ri

officials and also nato that turkey is anywhere close to leaving nato but they have begun to hedge their bets to some extent. they have always been on the periphery of nato to some extent, not part of the eu or a western democratic country, they have always been sort of there. that's part of the reason why turkey has been so important to nato is it was a bridge outside of just western europe. you do see talks between the turkish government, which is increasing li growing hostile to not only the united states but other nato countries. president recep tayyip erdogan is very unhappy after the coup attempt after what the government says was an islamic cleric who lives in pennsylvania. he blames him for launching this coup an he wants to see the united states try to extradite him to turkey. that apparently is not going to happen. he is starting to look in to other allies, but keep in mind there are other deep ties between turkey and nato. turkey has been a long-time nato member. they are certainly trying to scare u.s. and other nato countries in to thinking that maybe, just maybe, they would

conciliatory for a candidate who previously called nato obsolete. i spoke earlier with anders rasmussen, the former nato secretary-general who said that a trump presidency would be the american-led world order. you said you don't want to take sides in the american election but it sounds like you are doing just that. what is wrong with mr. trump as the next american president? mr. rasmussen: i think that after eight years with president obama, who has been very reluctant to use military force to prevent and start conflicts, we need a president who has the will to lead the world. we need determined american global leadership, we need a global policeman, and the united states is the only reliable and desirable candidate for that job. katty: but millions of americans would agree with mr. trump that it is time for the u.s. to stop financing european security. they don't want to be the global policemen anymore. mr. rasmussen: well, i agree with the americans who demand that the europeans pay more for their -- for our common defense. and that is also what

we will also work very closely with nato on this new mission. i had previously said that nato was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. since my comments they have changed their policy, and now have a new division focused on terror threats. very good.

and nato will practice. they will find more and more ways to do that. ,oercion, to a certain extent maybe trying to coerce with sanctions and other measures to entice or encourage the russians to pull back perhaps our throttle down some activities. ce, when peoplent start on that path, it leads to an arms race. bearms race does not have to producing more material, it can intoving more weapons position. raceave a geographic arms going on. they could win that, kind of like how they won the cold war economically. right now, i don't think that nato wants to go to that extent either. no one wants to be pouring a lot of money looking at more innovative ways to determine aggression. right now, yes, it could of all of the great power conflict with their his actual shooting. happen.ld certainly the russians do not want it. the same sorts of dynamics are playing out in the pacific we have parties involved who are coercing each other over rights to certain islands, and that sort of thing. it is part of the way great po

since world war ii and donald trump seemed to take credit for nato' tough stance on terrorism. donald trump took to the stage to outline his foreign policy that caught the attention of our politifact checkers at politifact. >> i had previously said that nato was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats. >> charles: some saw it as trump taking credit that his criticism made nato spring into action with a hiring of a new assistant secretary-general recall to coordinate intelligence sharing among nato all lice. it found decisions like that could not have been made so quickly. >> changes in nato take such a long time, especially incremental ones. you have to go through the different nations and come to agreement. >> charles: rating trump's claim as false. >> we're going to make the biggest investment in new good paying jobs since world war ii. >> charles: hillary clinton making that claim a lot lately and talking about her plan to years. >> we have so little

in terms of these nato comments, did he fix the nato issue that he had with those comments?think he really -- i'm not sure it was a broken comment to begin with. i heard these types of complaints about nato for years. that nato wasn't paying its fair share in terms financially or not putting in resources or the manpower to join and fight with america effectively. now that nato has stepped up and said we are going to focus on this threat from radical islam, we are going to fight terrorism, and i'm assuming that dollars are going to flow with them, actually a change in behavior is what generate ad change in terms of mr. trump's response. martha: so, "the wall street journal" wrote about the speech this morning on the editorial page and one of the things they say towards the end the best message of the speech is that it means we might get a national security debate in this election this year. i mean that is sort of the task that lies in front of donald trump, to stay on message because this is a potent issue that he could really get traction on. >> that is exactly right and tha

money to nato and therefore the u.s.s caring too much of the burden. so he is now china claim credit up ane fact nato took anti-terrorism section after the attacks in france in brussels. that is what the response was. it was. because donald trump made a comment. the other side, you know, certainly, i think it is always better to be talking about diplomacy, to be talking about negotiations with all other countries -- including russia -- rather than basing the relationship with russia on threats, on new sanctions, etc.. i do think the problem here is we did not hear any actual plan for diplomacy. there was no reference to the existing diplomacy that has supposed to be underway between the united states and russia regarding the war in syria. that diplomacy has been very limited to what can we bomb together? there has not been a serious diplomatic move. if donald trump had been serious a differentding kind of relationship with russia, he would've spoken about a new kind of diplomacy based on finding diplomatic rather than mi

policy wonks have been saying what's the mission of nato.nding to russia's borders? he says why has it done that? why isn't it fighting terrorism. maybe he's wrong. but why not debate that. it's been a galaxy of republican former national security advisers who also denounced trump saying they won't support him. my guess is because he's not going to give them a job. but this is a bipartisan boycott of discussing what trump has to say. let's challenge him with an argument instead of calling him mccarthyite names. lou: it's mccarthy-like. and the man is running for president against the establishment. the more we get into this campaign. i think people are realizing there is such an orthodoxy that is ossified around behavior by our nation, it's a good thing he is providing the service because much, much it is irrational. our policy in europe doesn't make a lot of sense right now. and the behavior of our allies within nato is not necessarily rational and it doesn't done particularly well in forestalling vladimir putin. >> consider something else

and donald trump -- seeming to take credit for nato's on terrorism. two claims -- 13 action news anchor -- todd quinones -- and politifact are putting through this week's truth-o- meter. donald trump went to ohio this week to outline his foreign policy. however.... this statement caught the attention of our fact checkers at politifact. (("i had previously said that nato was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats.")) some saw it as trump taking c take action by hiring of a new assistant secretary general to coordinate intelligence sharing among nato allies. politifact indicates... decisions like that can not be made so quickly. ((changes in nato take such a long time especially incremental ones. you have to go through all the different nations and come to an agreement. it's pretty tough)) politifact rating trump's claim biggest investment in new, good-paying jobs since world war ii.")) hillary clinton making that claim a lot la

like for nato. for many years we have heard people are not paying their fair share, and the united states is in debt, $19 trillion, and we are paying all this money to protect everybody. it has got to be fixed. we have to address it. we cannot control people. we have to talk about these issues, identify them, and fix them. this is america, we are great, we can do it. thank you for taking my call. host: thanks. anything to add? guest: as immigrants who are part of the public today, the policy it is unusual because you kissinger and many people who came at a younger age including secretaries of state, , so on and so forth. i look at it from three perspectives. number you have the legal one, immigrant. i worked very hard to become a citizen, i engage in the society because i like the society. then you have the illegal immigrant. illegal immigrants are an issue of social, economic issues that we need to solve. these are one. and then the other one are those trying to benefit using the immigration system

turkey is the second largest military inside of nato, it's been a nato ally for more than 60 years.t to keep that but on the off chance turkeydecided doesn't want the united states there anymore which is an increasing likelihood unfortunately or simply because the united states wants to send a message to turkey that you actually need the united states more than the united states needs you and rightnow that relationship is reversed in erdogan's mind . jenna: to understand we have to understand the context. turkey became a member of nato after the korean war and was a good partner for us during the cold war so talk to us about that background and what a dramatic reversal it is . >> for more than 60 years, turkey really has been nato's secure southern flank, standing in between nato and a volatile middle east as well as being a critical ally in deterring soviet aggression and resurgent russian aggression, to absolutely vital roles but now turkey increasingly is islamist and is increasingly becoming a safe harbor for all kindsof islamic jihadists. turkey has in fact become nato's unstab

i was asked on the big networks about nato, they said what do think of nato, it's not like it was my ever suspect -- subject. -- my primary subject. i've long been doing this for 12 months. now it's only -- now it's a most 14 months. nato, i know enough. sometimes knowing a little is better than owing to much. you understand. you can't see the forest through the trees. i said nato in my opinion is obsolete because it is not covering terrorism. obsolete for that reason. and also, the many countries that are not paying their fair share. [applause] van not paying what they're supposed to be and we are protecting those countries. and we're supposed to get into world war iii with all these countries not paying their fair share. even the commander of nato, i still respect what he did, he came out the other day and said donald trump is right. donald trump is right. i'm sure obama was thrilled. donald trump is right. countries are not paying. and he said how he goes in and talk to them. he says you have to pay your bills. i have budgets and after good to -- and i have to go back to congress

the perfect mix for a phenomenon known as a fire for nate the owe, or a fire nato.e's lauren case which more. >> reporter: you may have caught mess more icing video of mother nature's hottest phenomenon last week in oregon and just yesterday east of lor angeles fire natos have been spinning up. i headed up to franklin institute where we got a real life demonstration on how they storm. fire devils, dragon twists or fire natos, terms with the apocalyptic air for scientific phenomenon. the fire for nato is tornado like in appearance but their formation location is opposite, to that of a traditional tornado. >> unlike tornado that will start from the top and work its way down, the fire tornado starts at bottom and moves its way up. it is an upside down, funnel that is happening. >> reporter: also unlike atmosphere tornado which requires moist air the fire nato feeds off of hot dry air which is why they form in conjunction with wild fires. as hot air rises from the ground it forms in the vertical column. a vortex is then formed by is what called angular momentum, a princ

leader pelosi has just lead us as rosa mentioned to visit with nato allies, our nato partners in italy, our nato partners in afghanistan and i felt like we should have brought brooms and mops to clean up the damage that donald trump is creating for those allies and those partners, clean up the mess, the national security mess that he is creating. in italy we had to reassure some of our closest partners in nato that we are not going abandon them, we are not going to turn our backs on them and we are not going to undermine them, in afghanistan we had to tell our partners in afghanistan, the president of afghanistan, but also our military leaders that we were going to standby them, we are not going to undermine them as the republican presidential candidate has publicly suggested that he will do. it's easy to understand for the american people, number one, we are going to work with nato allies to combat terrorism around the world. number two, we are going to provide military the resource that is they need. number three, we are going increase funding for the fbi's couldn't terrorism activit

both countries are members of nato.ary was the second-largest after all in the united states. we are seeing of course a lot of developments on that front. what else can we look forward to as the visits go on and as the negotiations and possible talks continue? turkey has either removed or detained some 60,000 people. they have links to the gallant movement. crackdown on the army and the security forces is extremely worrying to the obama administration. is also dealing with terrorism not only with the islamic state but also with the kurdish militant group. this concern that security is extremely vulnerable within turkey right now turkey has dealt with a terror attack almost on a monthly basis. the turkish lira is currently hovering around the flat line. no visible momentum. we will keep a close eye on that. consumption in saudi arabia expands at the slowest pace in years. with anscuss that analyst from renaissance capital. ♪ ♪ yusuf: saudi arabia is set to offer banks short-term loans. it is part of an overall picture of

you mentioned the nato air base there. stunningly, the prime minister said they may allow russian forces to use a nato base. look at what the foreign minister said about this. quote, it seems to us that nato members behave in an evasive fashion on issues such as the exchange offing to and joint investments. turkey intends to strengthen its defense system, and we are ready to consider the possibility of cooperation in this sector. is this the language of an ally? is this the language of a true nato country? >> absolutely not. and i don't think the u.s. and nato want to lose turkey given its critical geographic position and the role it's played in the past and it could play in the future. i don't think a majority of the people want to go in this direction. but it may be out of their hands given the control over the judiciary and military and political system. he said when he was mayor of istanbul, democracy is like a streetcar. you drive it where you want and get off. he is getting off. he is out of nato alliance, and that's

the principle deterrent in europe remains nato membership. this pledge that an attack on any member of nato is an attack on all of the united states. it has been a principal push back against russian incursion. it, the problem mr. come statements, -- mr. come statements is that it is a dangerous embrace a russia strategic goals. the goal is to private unity in europe. this undermines the institution when is to beime more unified. say that we want on of article five obligations, being uncertain and, about where we stand on the annexation of crimea, these things undercut the constitution had a very time there under pressure. europe has had a cascade of crises over the last few years running from the succession to the terrorism and russian coup in to attempted turkey. when we need unity, statements like this undermines these institutions and for a presidential candidate, it is quite damaging and said by i do not disagree that we have to put it in a broader context. there is an underlying issue here at scale that is not being addressed, the issue

and now nato at the nato summit will also take some additional measures to help them rebuild their military capabilities and defend against russian intimidation. the important thing is to show united alliance in terms of russia's behavio it is repeated again and the nation they can repeat that, will be met with stronger response. i think standing up for the principle and continuing to show our support, both politically, militarily, economically for those countries is important. fernando popper thank you. >> coming up, are immigrants taking american jobs? >> no, they are not. >> then what's behind the immigrant backlash? plus, the candidates need women to win. but what do women want to hear from the candidates? moms. well, it was nice to see everyone. i just wish it had been for a better reason. me, too, but the eulogy that frank's daughter gave was beautiful. i just feel bad knowing they struggled to pay for the funeral, especially without life insurance. i wish they would've let us help. but, it did make me think, though. about what? well, that i could leave you in the same situation. i do

the principle deterrent in europe remains nato membership. this pledge that an attack on any member of nato is an attack on all of the united states. it has been a principal push back against russian incursion. it, the problem mr. come statements, -- mr. come statements is that it is a dangerous embrace a russia strategic goals. the goal is to private unity in europe. this undermines the institution when is to beime more unified. say that we want on of article five obligations, being uncertain and, about where we stand on the annexation of crimea, these things undercut the constitution had a very time there under pressure. europe has had a cascade of crises over the last few years running from the succession to the terrorism and russian coup in to attempted turkey. when we need unity, statements like this undermines these institutions and for a presidential candidate, it is quite damaging and said by i do not disagree that we have to put it in a broader context. there is an underlying issue here at scale that is not being addressed, the issue

we will work with nato allies to combat terrorism around the world. terryl provide you with resources that they need. we will increase funding for the counterterrorism initiative and activities. airportexpand dhs perimeter program. number five, we will take guns out of the hands of suspected terrorists by passing no-fly, nobody. this is priorities we would have recessdone we left for if we had been in the majority. those are five priorities house have completely turned their back on. an august ofme apology for their presidential candidate. it needs to be an august of action for the american people. is inactionfaced and worst, damage to the national security. without, i will turn it over to congressman andre carson. ou.gressman carson: thank y to start, i want to thank our remarkable, capable and visionary leader, leader pelosi for not only inviting me but inviting us to be a part of the delegation toy easily particularly it -- particularly italy and afghanistan. we want to thank all the leaders we had a chance to meet. an inspiration, showing us that

we need to support nato. trump is not committed to that. >> he's only said people in nato who we protect have got to pay their fair share. let's get to the bottom line, let's cut to the chase. hillary clinton uses the clinton foundation as a money laundering operation to enhance her power. it's as simple as that. >> well, there's evidence that points -- i don't think that's been nailed down, sabrina, do you? >> no. i'm not sure how clear it is, although there's all sorts of concerning dots that need to be connected. what is clear and one of the things to think about when it comes to russia is for the last eight years it appears as though we've had no consistent foreign policy. the things that worries me is that we could have eight more years of that with either candidate. i don't think that trump necessarily views sort of our partners around the world as assets to us. and hillary clinton is steeped in corruption. >> steve, i've got ask, there are a lot of points that we've been pointing out here in terms of c

and those small, baltic countries who were on their way to joining nato, who weren't even in nato when attacks happened, they stepped up and they punched way above their weight. take, for example, the teeny tiny baltic state of estonia. population 1.3 million in the whole country. that whole country has less population than san diego. but even so, they deployed a combat force of about 150 soldiers into some of the most dangerous combat zones in afghanistan, to go fight the taliban. they lost a total of nine soldiers, which might not seem huge numbers wise, but per capita, based on the size of their population and ours, per capita, they lost about the same amount of soldiers as the united states did in afghanistan. they not only sacrificed a lot, they're really valuable in the fight. take this one tactical decision. in 2007, lithuanian special forces were deployed to afghanistan. they were frustrated that their soldiers in armored vehicles kept getting ambushed by taliban fighters on motorcycles. the taliban guys on the motorcycles could outrun them, they were faster, nimbler, couldn't