the natural world that a child might feel. >> such as... talk more about that felicia. how do you approach this? >> i think one way to look at it is really in terms of just the basic principal of opening. so in a society in which we're consistently bombarded as you were saying in relationship to taking stab with technology with this aggressive form of messaging, we shut down and how do you feel the rest of life when you're shut down? and that doesn't just apply to the squirrel that's bouncing across the park. it also applies to interpersonal relationships. >> those squirrels ate my gladiolas last night. but go ahead i interrupted you. >> but actually i do believe that there is a way to even when it comes to actually consuming animals for example i do believe that there are ways to do that in a rev rential and prevalent way. when i was little my dad said to me i don't want to hear you complaining about killing animals to eat them unless you don't eat them. a light bulb went off. i don't have to eat them and then i can complain. but as i've g

when it comes to natural disasters, this is the first natural disaster happening under the president's watch. what would you like him to do? how would you like to see him respond to this? caller: it's no response to it. this is what i'm saying. he don't care. he's admitted, he never goes to church. put on his program what church he belongs to, whatever like y'all did with president obama. host: ok, renee is calling in from baton rouge, louisiana. renee, how confident are you in the federal government, or even local governments to respond to natural disasters like tropical storm harvey? >> caller: i survived r once since bets nye 1965. adults cannot expect people to die trying to save your life because you did not prepare to save your own life. host: what did you do to prepare in the tropical storms and hurricanes you went true? did you evacuate your home? what did you do? caller: never evacuated, and i can't even swim. it's a sign of life. host: so what did you do to prepare for them then? caller: i take all of the shelves out of your freezer. you fill your ice chest with water, and yo

you know, they feel so grateful for nature because everything they have comes from nature. the cambodian government has contracted a chinese company to build this dam, and the company's name is sino hydro, and, you know, we've all been asking questions. why is sino hydro interested in proceeding with this dam when two other companies have already, you know, previously pulled out of the project? because they discovered through environmental impact assessment reports that they had conducted themselves that the dam was not economically viable. and i think one of the reasons is that they will make money from the contract from constructing this dam, and also the dam will be built on a build transfer agreement. and according to the agreement, the dam will be transferred to the cambodian government after 40 years time. during that transfer, the dam will already have built up so much sediment and silt, the cambodian government would actually inherit a dam that's no longer functioning its proper place. so i think that the answer for me is they want to access this place for the loggi

successfully broadcasting their values on a natural level. that underlying ideas and theoretical to slavery survive the debates intact explains why the vice president of the pennsylvania abolition society, james pemberton, could conclude that the whole episode had, quote, served to disseminate our principles and led to a, quote, more general assent to those truths we wish to propagate. this in turn signaled to peoplerton that the quote, time was not very distant when these principles would be, quote, universally received and firmly established. to conclude, putting aside trying to identify the winners and losers in this first congressional tussle over mesh slavery, the legacy was pivotal ways in which it sets the terms for future national battles over the pea you'rial institution and its place in the american nation. from the missouri crisis of 1819 to the dread scott decision of 1857. to lincoln's commitment to the essential natural rights of slaves during the famed lincoln/douglass debates, to alexander stevenson's assertion that the confed

comply with we laws, such as archaeological rotection act, the natural historic -- natural resource, act, many otection other laws that ensure our development on federal lands and and state lands is done in an environmentally manner.ble host: you met with interior the tary ryan zinke on decision that he will be forthcoming with the president on shrinking some of the monuments. what did you tell him? guest: i have not met with on the y zinke monuments, not discussed it with him. comments, just d as anyone can through the open and public process. the secretary were that fortunately, most of themonument designations in last couple decades have not ffected oil and natural gas resources, there are some leases them, there are some leases in bears ears, but n general, the monument designation have not affected the oil and gas industry as much industry in the grand staircasing in utah. focused on're really s the fact that in the future, antiquities act could continue to be abused. to as originally designated protect cultural resources, ative american resources, that were being looted and it

daniel: trump has talked about increasing natural death sales to europe -- natural gas sales to europenyone stand to benefit? jens: certainly. the key is basically liquefied, natural gas. the trump administration is hoping in general to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas. there is also some resistance to those ideas because if you export more natural gas, that would mean higher prices and that could increase the cost for u.s. consumers and also for some of the u.s. industry. if we look at future exports of liquefied natural gas, europe could be one place to sell to, but also china and other places. if you look at the market right now, the biggest importers of u.s. natural gas are chile, mexico, and further behind, china, india and argentina. that could be a plan if you look at the u.s. industry -- actually the export of liquefied natural gas could kick off quite a bit. gerhart: -- daniel: qatar has lost a complaint of the world trade organization challenging a boycott by its neighbors. they accuse them of supporting terrorism. it's the worst diplomatic crisis

well the petitioners argued that quote nature had made all men equal and here i'm quoting jackson, nature had made all men equal and that the difference of color should not place negroes on a worse footing in society than the whites. these ideals would wither in the prejudices labelling the petitioners as hypocrites and saying even the warmest friends to the blacks kept them at a distance. the inferiority seemed to be saying was a feature of nature but a social reality that would nullify any attempt to make former bonds persons free and equal. two of the anti-slavery petitioners most vocal proponents put forth ideological opposition to human bondage but so so in ways that -- at first glance seemed unthreatening to the institution of slavery. alie usa of new jersey and both with active slavery [ inaudible ]. even as they conceded that federal government was powerless to end slavery. and here is an illustration of buddino. he declared slavery incompatible with america's founding principles. the lower southerns he lectured could not more convince the former colonists that their subjection un

are you confident in the government's ability to deal with a natural disaster?aller: i'm fairly confident, the problem is they need to get ahead of it. they keep going to the same areas and having to rebuild. and need to look at zoning telling people maybe it is not a good idea to build right on the ocean. we know these storms come in and routine basis. the decisions that need to be made. i understand people invested in that area and they do not want to lose that investment, but they should not be looking to their neighbor routinely to bail them out when we have the storms. are we going to go out here and the build these places or what? so what? they can get flooded again? anymore, so the government needs to get ahead, look at the zoning requirements and tell people they cannot build in these areas anymore. if you do, it is at your own risk. host: we are taking your calls, asking about your confidence in the government in handling natural disasters. republicans can call -- i am sorry, people on the east coast and central time zone can call .202)-748-8000 those i

the nature of the regime. >> nature of the russian regime? i think everybody is clear on that. the nature of the russian regime is one person, isn't it? i think you have an autocratic regime and an individual who has done an extraordinary effective job at consolidating power. you have i think someone who has acted in a wray that -- i'm not the best judge of this maybe. it is not in the interest of the russian people. you see that with the reaction from the world in terms of the sanctions that are placed on russia and a recognition that russia must play a much more responsible role in the world if it's going to be a full-fledged welcomed member of the international community. we're talking obviously about the annexation of crimea, the invasion of ukraine here. >> the attack on our election. >> but also the attack on our election, the very sophisticated campaign of subversion and disinformation and propaganda that is on going every day in an effort to break apart europe and that pit political groups against each other, to sew dissension and con

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to for projects in the face of a global natural gas glut.neer is doubling down on his outlook. alix steel joins us with more. alix: thank you so much. i am joined by charif. if you do not know who he is, you do not know anything about natural gas. the company buys natural gas, liquefies it, and exports it all over the world.they are in the process of building those facilities now . charif is joining me in the studio.always a pleasure to see you . charif: thank you. good to see you. alix: let's go macro first before we go micro. is their demand for all of the nlg? lowif: gas prices have been on a global basis. demand is now increasing by 11% year to date for the last 12 months. on that basis given the consumption of natural gas last three years from today, if 11% growth continues, we will be operating at 90% of 2020,erating capacity by which is not sustainable. in other words, either prices have to increase to drive demand down or demand continues to grow at 11% per year and we have a real problem in 2020, not 2024 or 2025. alix: you see that

this energy and natural resources subcommittee hearing is chaired by senator jeff fla flake. [inaudible conversations] >> this hearing of the senate energy and natural resources subcommittee on water and power will come to order. for the purpose of today's hearing is to receive testimony on water supply and drought issues. we will hear testimony on a range of topics including infrastructure supplied, certainty of planning and innovative management practices that are critical to maintaining the secure water supplies that includes items that are crucial to arizona such as the colorado river drought planning and watershed restoration better use of existing reservoirs, the reliable water supply and drought protection cannot be achieved without infrastructure and forward thinking management and planning. often times discussions at the federal level are dictated by cost. however it's important that the congress also consider the the barriers local committees face as they plan and pursue new water projects. i look forward to the hearing how the states an state and locs encourage the

. >> well, for one thing doing can it naturally is always less expensive. in the case of -- >> but, but, i understand that. but my question is are there perverse incentives or penalties, tax benefits. that's what i'm looking -- you don't have to answer me now -- >> yeah. >> but for the record, if you could supply that. i'd like to see a comparison of how tax policy, grant policy, regulatory policy affects the two forks of the solution. >> i can provide you that, but let me just say that it's really difficult to know all the benefits and to put that in the avoided cost number. we know the avoided cost of building a filtration plant is the cost of that filtration plant that you don't have to build -- >> i understand. >> but to value the non-market values of recreation and carbon sequestration and all those ore non-market -- other non-market values, there's really not an easy way to do that. and if we don't count those costs, then we're underestimating the benefits. so i will get you that analysis. >> thank you, appreciate it. thank you, mr. chairman. >> we'll

the book "nature" is the work that emerson wrote that is best known. many look to as the start of american transcendentalism. transcendentalism at that time was this growing idea of looking to the person, philosophical and religious thought also grounded in social and political thought as well. an individual could look at themselves, look at nature, look to that for inspiration, spiritual response. the transcendentalists really believed in a quality, the importance of the individual, looking at everyone equally. the idea of abolitionism, trying to fight for the rights of all as well as a woman's rights, education, were all really important social parts of transcendentalism. that can differ from some of the other writing at the time. when you look at romanticism and some of the other philosophical thought, it did look inward, and that social and political twist to it. many of the people involved in the american transcendental movement looked to better their community and the equality of everyone, touted as something to that. when emerson wrote this phil

choice is, by its nature, unreplicable and nonexchangeable. a choice that you make can always only be your choice, and it couldn't be inheritedded by a clone or repeated by the realization of a piece of software on multiple platforms. anything not numerically identical to you, that is, not the very same living organism as you that thinks that it's made a choice that you made is in error. an error, in fact, that compromises that being's autonomy, saddling it with the choices to which it has not concepted. it lives under -- consented. it lives under an illusion. the idea of replicable persons, downloadable persons or multiple realize bl persons is a solution. it is the only way to think about immortal persons descended from us since no merely material being can be immortal. the project of keeping material beings alive forever seems cue marichal, but i think it's conceptually incoherent. there are no possible beings who could reasonably be called transhuman or posthuman who would be descended from us. i think these reasons also rule out future ma

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two people were killed in a natural gas explosion. it happened at a private k-12 school yesterday. the explosion caused part of the school to collapse, killing the school's receptionist and another employee. contractors were working on one of the buildings on the campus. the exact cause of the explosion is still under investigation. officials believe it was a natural gas leak. >>> we all know seatbelts may save lives, but a new report finds many people choose not to buckle up in the back seat. chris martinez shows us the often dangerous consequences! >> reporter: this is what can happen when you don't buckle up in the back seat. this family of three was thrown around when the cab they were riding in was hit by another car. >> oh!! >> reporter: in this video, the woman on the right is wearing a seatbelt. the woman on the left is not. [ crash ] >> reporter: and in the accident, she is thrown across the cab. >> people are less likely to buckle up in the back. >> reporter: this woman wrote a report from the insurance institute for highway

the natural environment changes every single day. >> sreenivasan: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> sreenivasan: yesterday we reported on president trump's updated criticism of the neo nazi and white nationalist groups that caused violence two days earlier in charlottesville. that was yesterday. today, in an impromptu news conference originally about an executive order on infrastructure, trump defended his statements from over the weekend and went further. for more on all this, i'm joined by the news hour's john yang. john, at first it was about infrastructure. there were visual aids. there were flow charts. and then... >> yang: it was a remarkable performance. rporters were initially told that the president would not take questions. it was just going to be

choice is by its nature on replicable and non-exchangeable. the choice that you make can always only be your choice and it couldn't be inherited by a cloner repeated by realization of a piece of software multiple platforms. anything not numerically identical to you, that is not the very same living organism as you that thinks it's made a choice you made is in error an error in fact the compromises they been economy saddling the consequences of the choice the mother made into which it is not consented under allusion. since no person is communicable, deity of replicable persons, downloadable persons is an illusion. but it is also probably the only possible way to think about immortal persons since no material being can be immortal. the project of keeping them is obviously a miracle, but the project of keeping persons in a state of pure information is conceptually incoherent. there are no possible beings who could reasonably be called trans-human two men who would be to send from us. i think these reasons also rule out future machine persons have

protecting natural infrastructure also pays off by mitigating flood damages. tropical storm irene caused extensive damages in 2011. but downstream flows were far less because large conserved wetland complex absorbed the flood waters. same with coastal flooding. maine's shoreline is increasingly vulnerable from sea level rise and there are clear economic benefits from preserving and restoring coastal wetlands. in urban areas, built green infrastructure that mimics nature, things like green roofs and rain gardens are much more economical than sewer separation projects to manage stormwater. because green infrastructure installments are many and diffused, they very well increase security by relying on a diversity of approaches rather than centralized facilities. the challenge for maine and the rest of the country is to better use existing funds to first of all protect existing natural infrastructure and second to promote built green infrastructure that mimics nature and more urban watersheds. finally, financing programs at the federal and state levels should requi

and not is about $2 in natural gas problems. at $3, this plant loses money, but at $5, it doesn't. if this plant continues to lose mone impacting workers like christine who works here with her hu >> from a personal perspective, my husband also works here. so it's a big impact on us. we just had our second daughter so we have to decide what we're going to do if tmi does shut down. >> three mile island employs over 650 people. >> 675 full-time jobs, family-sustaining jobs, good-paying jobs. total $60 million payroll per year. in addition, they pay $1 million in tax revenue. the school district, the township and the county. every year including this year, starting next month, 1,000 union labor jobs come in and work on the site. >> it could take more than two years to shut down a plant like this one. and once it's shut down b, it cannot be reopened. it's a permanent decision to shift away from nuclear . but still, the state, even the federal government, could step in and change this plant. >> the administration came out with the dep

military and intelligence operatives, and i'm not saying that this is conspiratorial in nature. what i'm stating is the fact that there is a finding and that's one of the reasons the counterculture impact has been as enduring as it has been. it's often been viewed in a very caricatured manner. there have been clichÉs drawn about it. there've been stereotypes that have been passed around it. it's largely been dismissed and denigrated, and i think it needs to be received and perceived for the serious cultural and potentially political force that it was. my argument is that this was a radical unfolding with revolutionary possibilities. did the revolution play out, certainly not. but in a manner that have been hoped for by those that participated in the counterculture i think that is honestly the case. but again, the impact nevertheless of the counterculture was huge and remains so today. >> booktv visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they are reading this summer. next on my reading list is a fantastic book everything i've heard about it is wonderful and talk about h

i think to begin focusing on our natural urge, at least it seems natural, to punish. we are really good at that. we are really, really good at retribution in our schools. and we really good at applying punishment and discipline disproportionally to folks of color, really good. let me show you how good. outhe next slide, i laid just a sample of some of the ways that we been super ourtive, how fast -- vast imagination is for the ways in which we can punish young people. most of us in this room grew up with detentions and suspensions and expulsions immediate ways to get young , folks out of our presence. but there are also some new school ways that we punish young people. there's a network of schools $200,000 annually from student discipline finds. nes.i five dollars for having a button unbuttoned, five dollars for carrying a bag of chips. five dollars for the tiniest things upt add up and you rock finds that you can't pay -- fines that you can't pay, then if you can't pay, you can go to the next grade. so if you were in eighth grade and try to move on to high school, bu

obviously natural gas and all of the pipeline activity.les, energy and efficiency. all of that is different types of resources that is coming into play today that weren't really available back when coal was key. there was inclination and to put fair blame they put down very tough regulations in a lot of them. however i need to ask you flat-out can donald trump turn this gigantic ship around or is there already looking for the front windshield. it's more of a question of preservation. it has picked up slightly because of the metallurgical aspects of it. as far as that. that's burning unless something changes from an economic standpoint. with a natural gas and other forms of research i really think that coal is stabilizing maybe going down slightly in the future. it's still a large part of the portfolio. additional incremental investments would be made in natural gas, renewables technology and the drop with energy efficiency. that leads me to this. when people ask you was a politics that turned its back on coal or the free market at work wha

despite what may seem natural, human beings can influence. that is all. host: any thoughts? guest: we are already well above 350 parts per million in the atmosphere, so that was the warning sign that once you get past there, you will see temperatures increase, and that is where we are at. host: john, franklin, tennessee, democrat. caller: i have three points. of carbon amount dioxide we are admitting is like 30 billion to 40 billion tons, and nature has like 240 billion tons, so we're doing is significant amount of addition to the co2. my second point is i attended a conference with a professor from ohio state university that had a plan to inject carbon dioxide smokestacks, i guess. i do not quite understand the chemistry, but he was able to capture the carbon dioxide. -- we haveint is the reached a point where we cannot just reduce our emissions. to have to start pulling carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. i would like to hear your comments on that. isst: sure, that technology carbon capture and sequestration, taking the emissions from the smokestack, capturing them and p

the planning associated with it had to be different because of the nature of it. as you look at historic levels of rain, 40 to 50 inches localized in certain areas, and then sustain flooding over a period on multiple days or potentially weeks, as you talk response and recovery, our response is very sustained. become isolated and then they are in the of food, water, medical supplies or lift by boat or rotary wing back out of the area. hasplanning for this one been different. normally, we plan response for hours,st 72 hours, 96 the weather passes and we move into recovery mode. we will be doing lifesaving and life-sustaining efforts for much longer period due to the nature of this storm. associated command and control structures as the department of defense looks at ramping up capability because the demand signal is not right there immediate and then draws off during the recovery phase, this will be a sustained demand signal for dod forces over time so not only the national guard, but the title x forces under the dual status commander, this will be a unity of effort

overshoe day you ask well that's the day every year that human beings have officially consumed more natural resources than the earth can annually provide so according to environmental groups like the world wildlife fund and the global footprint network from now till december thirty first we humans will be with having a nature's credit in a joint statement the two environmental groups stated in seven months we emitted more carbon than the oceans and forests can absorb in a year we caught more fish felled more trees harvested more and consumed more water than the earth was able to produce in the same period. earth overshoot day has been marked annually since one thousand nine hundred eighty three and to give you an idea of just how bad we've been over we've been overconsuming our natural resources budget in one thousand nine hundred ninety the overshoot they fell on december seventh we've been climbing backwards up the calendar ever since leda mickleson policy adviser for food and agriculture at the german development network in kota told the w quote we consume our natural resources as if it

that naturally go wrong as you begin to fight a war -- geography, and the nature of and maybete can do, most importantly, the size of an army a state can raise. that is, if you can only raise a small army, you cannot do too much with it. this is the problem his home state had. a small state, relatively poor state, trying to find a way to fight its way through a total war, and those who are familiar with this time period know some of the things in the decades before the american civil war the prussians did to reform their army to make it more professional, make it more modern, and to change the society around it, in part by freeing the serves as a way to try to get the average person in prussia to believe in the national ideal. conflict is the essential problem -- the essential problem for prussia, as he saw it, was to get prussians to believe in the state as the french did, the way french soldiers would march all the way to russia. you had to find a way to create that kind of spirit without at the same time creating the revolutionary spirit the cost was so many were afraid of. he ar

i'd like to know the difference between mother nature putting up the co2 gases and mankind. we always seem to hear about mankind is causing it but i've been told that mother nature puts up quite a bit of the s o 2 gases and i just wonder if you have anything to say about that and thank you. >> thanks. and you know there's certainly background co2 that comes from when forests burn and things like that. they have literal wood matter being burned and emitting carbons u be the steep rise in co2 is the thing that you look at here if you didn't have humans, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide would be much lower than today. we're so out of whack with what would be a normal atmosphere concentration compared with if there were no humans. >> leon, illinois, democrat. good morning. to you. >> good morning. >> what's your comment, leon? >> yes. one thing i have to say about global warming and all that stuff. all of us realize that it's happening and since we're having this conversation now it's that okay, right now okay? all i want to say sir to you is this. that we have to

it's just a vast expanse of unspoilt nature. >> ?skadar lake is the home of more than 280 different species of birds. so its one of the richest bird hot spots in europe containing more than half of the european species. >> including dalmatian pelicans although sightings are rare. ornithologist andrej vizi from the natural history museum of montenegro knows exactly where we're most likely to catch a glimpse of them and sure enough, there they are. >> the pelicans are the largest fresh water birds in the world. this means exactly this species we have here on skadar lake, the dalmatian pelican. their wing span is regularly over two meters and in the bigger specimens can even be >> the good news is that their numbers are increasing. the shallow waters and peace and quiet make lake skadar an ideal habitat. but what has most contributed to the recent rise in the dalmatian pelican population is an international conservation project. floating breeding platforms have been mounted. it's not uncommon for pelican chicks to drown when the lake fl

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choice is by its nature unreplicable and nonexchangeable. a choice that you make can always, or can always only be your choice, and it couldn't be inherited by a clone or repeated by the realization of a piece of software on multiple platforms. anything not numerically identical to you that thinks that it's made a choice that you made is an error. an error, in fact, that compromises that being's autonomy, saddling it with the consequences of a choice that another made and to. >> it has not -- to which it has not consented. now, since no person is communicable, the idea of replicable persons is an illusion. but it is also the only plausible way to think about immortal persons who are descended from us. the project of keeping material beings alive forever seems to me -- [inaudible] but the project of keeping persons in a state of pure information, i think, is conceptually incoherent. there are no possible beings who could reasonably be call trans-human or post-human who would be descendant from us. i think these reasons also rule out future ma