talking about natural gas, i don't think the american people are really informed as to how natural gas can be used. when i was a boy, 16 years old, and i am over 60, i was driving tractors powered on propane, driving trucks and pickups powered by propane. i have never and all of my years heard of anyone having an accident that injured anyone with propane. we have the ability to do this. and another thing -- and i will let you go -- there is another thing about propanes that people unfamiliar with. you can change -- about propane that people are not familiar with. you can change your oil and may not have to change it for a year and you pull your dipstick out and it is as clean as it can be. guest: you touched on points that i think are important. on the policy, i am glad people are watching more what is happening in washington. last year when gas prices exceeded $4 a gallon, i think people got very bad about the pot -- mad about the policies because they saw we don't have a real comprehensive national energy policy and in fact there are a lot of policies here in washington blocking our

more natural gas than we thought. that cannot be accessed, that is not going to happen anyway, regardless of the market signal that said it might encourage natural gas or nuclear power. it is absolutely vital that we make these energy sources available. that means streamlining regulatory barriers. >> senator alexander? >> thank you, senator bennett. this has been very helpful. i thank the four of you for your comments. mr. rockwell, you said you would speak from the engineering point of view. is it possible to build 100 new nuclear power plants of 1,240 megawatts or so over the next 20 years? >> i think it clearly is. i thought that in your right up, the talk that you gave in oak ridge, you pointed out that we did build 100 plants in the 20 years between 1970 and 1990. . . i think that it is perfectly possible. >> i was going to ask you to say something about the naval program. much of it is classified i suppose. we cannot talk about it in public. what lesson is there to us as we look ahead from our success or lack of

you've talked about anwr and natural gas. what are the common ground with some of the folks on the other party. >> let's do your second part of your question first. i think nuclear is an issue where we can do a little bit better than we have in committee. i've had conversation with some of my colleagues on the other side who agree for a multitude of different reasons that nuclear must be a larger player in our energy portfolio. and have indicated that they want to work with me to make that happen that. so i think that is one area where we will be able to make some, i think, positive changes to the bill. i know many of my republican colleagues are going to want to work very hard in enhancing some of the oil and gas, the domestic production pieces. as you know, sometimes -- sometimes the domestic production piece takes on a partisan bent. it shouldn't. and i'd like to think that might be an area where if we frame the amendments right, we can pick up the necessary support from some of our democratic colleagues but that's a tough

our oil, our natural gas, their -- there are estimates that we've got almost 100 years of natural gas reserves here in this country. in fact in louisiana the largest natural gas find in the history of our country occurred just three years ago. i know one of my colleagues will be talking about that. we've got the ability here in our country to secure our energy independence. we've got legislation we filed that would help us secure that energy independence. they won't allow us a hearing on this bill because they are promoting this cap and trade energy tax. a tax on energy that again as we talked about, as we are talking about, our young children, encouraging them to lead healthy lifestyles, we need to also be creating policies here that give them those opportunities so that they don't get out of school and have to go straight to the unemployment line. their bill, this cap and trade energy tax, got a copy of it right here, there are 55 pages, 55 pages in tir bill dedicated to job losses. to american jobs that will be lost due to a cap and trade energy tax. in fact the national associatio

more natural gas than we thought. that cannot be accessed, that is not going to happen anyway, regardless of the market signal that said it might encourage natural gas or nuclear power. it is absolutely vital that we make these energy sources available. that means streamlining regulatory barriers. >> senator alexander? >> thank you, senator bennett. this has been very helpful. i thank the four of you for your comments. mr. rockwell, you said you would speak from the engineering point of view. is it possible to build 100 new nuclear power plants of

, i do not want those natural supplies of natural gas to be imported. i do not want to knowingly take this country into the same situation with natural gas that we are currently with oil -- we are close to 70% reliant on foreign sources for oil. we have got the ability here in this country, with alaska and natural gas, to be able to meet our needs, but we have got to get our gas online, so the news last week about exxon stepping up at partnering with the transcanada project is good. we have always known that in order to get the alaskan gas to the lower 48 market, it was going to take all of the guys that have the gas, and that is exon, b.p., and condit go -- conoco sitting down and figuring out how we move that down the pipe, and now we have the three that hold the gas, at least in the same room. now, there are now sitting in the same place. now you have exxon transcanada. i cannot predict, but there will be a time in the not too distant future where everyone comes together to make this project a reality. contained in our energy bill are a couple of pro

natural gas is clearly one of the ways to do this. if we have this resource, why would we not move in this direction. >> i have one technical issue, are you going to support the zero discharge drilling, on the future lease, because there is the concern about the of the release, just talking about the future exports. more broadly, he said he wanted to consider this on the floor of the senate, and he has continued to say that he wants to conserve energy. can you tell us about the nature of this, do you understand the provision and the disparity? >> quickly on the discharge, the devil is in the details, in terms of how this is defined. this may be a very difficult criteria or requirement. as they have been working with the native constituents, working with the regulators, this is an issue that has been confounding, this issue has not yet been resolved but it will be. >> the reason i have asked this, is because of the broad implications. this is one way that they compromised and drilling in these areas, what would the zero discharge do? >

and natural gas prices could easily be on a very low carbon price and historical natural gas price way expensive than nuclear power and clean coal. that concludes my testimony and i look forward to any questions. thank you. >> thank you very much. thanks to all of you. this has been a most fascinating spectrum of opinion and expertise. it's been my experience from my position as former chairman of the joint economic committee in studying the economy that one of the driving forces behind america's economic growth for the last 100 years has been our access to what we would call cheap energy. that without the ability to tap into sources of energy that have been relatively cheap, we would not have achieved the rate of productivity that we've achieved and without being the most productive nation in the world over the last 100 years, we would not have become the richest nation in the world in that period of time. looking ahead, if you look at demographic trends, there are only two countries in the next 50 years who will have increasing populations among what we consider the developing -- the

you can't drill anywhere there's natural gas. how are we supposed to have energy to get to the clean energy if we cannot as a nation even drill for natural gas? so there's no nuclear, no natural gas, of course we can't use clean coal. we don't want to use any more of that nasty old crude oil even though crude oil and its byproducts is in everything americans use from plastics to our radios to our cell phones. it's in everything. it's a derivative of some product of crude oil. we are going to always need crude oil to build the products we have in this country. you can't build them all from biodiesels. the bill does not do what it's supposed to do. it doesn't create jobs. it doesn't help the climate. it doesn't give us a new alternative for energy until we get to this supposed clean energy. and of course i think the worst thing, it takes control of americans and their independence. it makes us slaves to the federal government and the federal bureaucrats to run our lives every day. i will yield back to judge gohmert. mr. gohmert: i

and john muir in california was the nature. and burrows, said in a blade of grass you can learn a lot about nature. and a brilliant writer, i have been working with the burrows foundation to be sure his writings get perserved. he belongs in the top tier, one the top 20 writers we have ever had. in my opinion one of the finest natural writers. t.r. loved him and he took him hiking and camping. and took him on that trip out to the west. and when he had pine knot, only for the wife and kids. and the only guest was john burrows. and would go bird watching. and there is no higher compliment to burrows from theodore roosevelt. >> you had a person expression and saying that he loved walt whitman. and didn't have a relationship, why did you write that? >> whitman was gay. and when burrows was a young man and had a historical love look, and they had love notes. he became the great student of whitman, and their relationship was platonic. and he became, burrows, almost a son to walt whitman. >> ok, we are in the conservation center for tr

and have nature in your life. you didn't have to live in the wild. but you needed the national parks and monuments, a place to replenish your spirit and come back to work. >> i remember you spent a summer in north dakota. how many years ago was that? >> that was 1992. i go up there every -- not every summer, every other summer. in fact, i did a lot of research for this book, "the wilderness warrior," up there. the badlands where t.r. used to live is theodore roosevelt national park. there is a wonderful park superintendent valerie nailer who helped me a lot with this book. proof read chapters and helped me understand that terrain there. there is also a woman named shyla schaefer who i dedicated this book to. she saved mindora. many people go on vacations to south dakota because of mount rushmore and the black hills. there is wind okafor national park that he -- cave national park that he created. devil's tower which is the first national monument. going to north dakota, spectacular national park is theodore roosev

i would suppose that one way to do that would be tax your natural gas. because if that's taxed, then the foreigners have a better chance of getting business here. is that where you're going? mrs. lummis: and to the gentleman from missouri, we are also proposing in this congress to tax drilling costs, to raise the taxes on the brackets, to do away with the death tax, to put the recovery of natural gas under the safe drinking water act. virtually every time i turn around, almost every day here, we're doing something that will impair our ability to produce our own natural resources and the not just in wyoming. there have been these fabulous new finds of natural gas that run up both sides of the appalachian mountains all the way from pennsylvania clear to the southern states. all of those states could have new natural gas production, the cleanest burning hydrocarbon that reduces our need for foreign energy, that reduces the out-migration of jobs, it keeps them here, grows revenue for those states. i can tell you that as our state treasurer in wyoming for eig

as my old mentor put it, and nature is not as forgiving as jesus. [laughter] i have to make a few points. they will be necessarily of a bumper sticker links because of time restrictions. there is handout material out front to amplify and explain some of these things. i rest on that. we will start out with recognizing that energy is defined -- a very basic definition -- as the capacity to take action, the capacity to do work. lots of action and work are needed in this country to do all of the things that we want to do. anything anybody tells you they want to do, the first thing they have to do is expand energy. the first thing that we need to do, as an energy policy, is to make more energy. people say, oh, you cannot do that. we have to reduce waste. there is nothing that says you cannot reduce waste and improved efficiency while you are making more energy. you do like any good business does, he will do both. many scientists say the right energy solution will be some long range, research miracle. some remarkable thing. it could be. so we should devot

speaker, and natural gas prices by 55%. and if that were not bad enough, it would also put american businesses at a huge disadvantage, competitive disadvantage, with their competitors from other countries that don't pursue that kind of legislation, be it china or india. now let's take a look at what some key players in the administration have recently stated about this ladies and gentlemenslation. some facts. for example, as c.b.o. director, when he was the c.b.o. director and currently the o.m.b. director, mr. orszag, peter orszag, testifying to the ways and means committee on september 18, 2008, mr. speaker, he said, quote, decreasing emissions would also impose -- impose a cost on the economy, a cost on the economy. much of those costs will be passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices for energy and energy-intensive goods. mr. orszag's written testimony stated that the average annual household cost was $1,300. that's for a 15% cut in co-2 emissions which by the way happens to be 80% less than the cuts sought

make natural gas -- ask boone pickens what he thinks about natural gas. we have a tremendous opportunity. host: our guest is senator married landriue. ue. host: the know where denham springs is? guest: us, i do. caller: yes, i have called the senator's office quite often. what has me puzzled here is, if we are needing oil so bad, why have the oil companies cut the rigs in half in the past four years? why have they cut the oil rigs in half in the state of louisiana over that time? why are you pushing a single- payer health care, mary? it will get you in trouble. you know what i'm talking about. guest: let me take the first question. you are right, ri rightg count is down by 50% because the prices have fallen so precipitously. they are on the rise again. they were all the way down to $40 per barrel. the last look it was at $85 per barrel. i am not defending the industry. i think they have lots of problems, but it is difficult to plan billions of dollars of investments if the product you so one day is $40 and the next day is $140. our goal is to help and sta

the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be considered as read. all points of order against the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute are waived except those arising under clause 10 of rule 21. b, notwithstanding clause 11 of rule 18, no amendment to the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be in order except those printed in the report of the committee on rules accompanying this resolution and amendments en bloc described in section 3 of this resolution. c, etch amendment printed in the report of the committee on rules shall be considered only in the order printed in the report, except as specified in section 4 of this resolution. may be offered only by a member designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specifie t

the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be considered as read. all points of order against the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute are waived except those arising under clause 10 of rule 21. notwithstanding clause 11 of rule 18, no amendment to the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be in order except those printed in part c of the report of the committee on rules. each such amendment may be offered only in the order printed in the report, may be offered only by a member designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the report equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment, and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the question in the house or in the committee of the whole. all points of order against such amendments are waived except those arising under clause 9 or 10 of rule 21. at the conclusion of consideration of the bill for amendment the committee shall rise and report the bill to the house

second, this bill freezes or rolls back oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and biofuels. we'll have less. we're not going to break dependency on foreign oil with less energy. iowa corn farmers, 6.2 million acres, five million of them went in before 2001 and only 25% of them went in afterwards will be able to qualify because they rotate. so we're down to 4.8% of the guys doing it right, one out of 20 are going to get any benefit out of the peterson amendment. and furthermore, when speaker pelosi set up the cap and trade and bought the carbon credits, i can't verify that any of that changed any behavior for the positive. the ones i could verify had already been in place. we've seen an example in spain. it's a colossal mistake there. a political and economic error. this could be the most colossal mistake ever made in the history of the united states congress. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: madam speaker, i'm pleased at this point to yield to my good friend and colleague from southern califor

first as chairman rahall of the natural resources committee pointed out, this amendment restores the interior department's authority to assist cooperative watershed projects that restore streams destroyed by acid mine drainage. it was inadvertently discontinued after the law amendments of 2006. this amendment aids citizens' groups and states that are restoring streams damaged by previous coal mining. second, this amendment adds $10 million to the national park service state grant program. this program provides grants for acquisition of park and recreation lands by state and local communities and was proposed by mr. mcgovern. there is tremendous demand for more parkland and recreation alpha silt development. it is more and more vital to get people and especially kids out in nature and outdoors doing active recreation. this amendment increases the save america treasure's program by $1 million and provide funding for sharing cost preservation projects and i urge adoption of the amendment and reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the g

you can't just talk about the nature. now to see it on the internet, back then, the photograph of wildlife photography 100 years ago was just beginning as an art form. roosevelt championed all of these photographers back then. >> why should the american people want to pay this kind of price nationwide setting aside, how much land has been set aside nationwide? >> roosevelt put aside 240 million acres. the figures change from t.r.'s reserves sum because sometimes gets declassified, erosion. i'll pick one but there are many. the britton islands in louisiana, the barrier islands are eroding. what roosevelt believed was that this was what made the united states unique. he spent a lot of time in europe. and yes they had westminster abby. yes, they had the louvre. they didn't have the tightons or the grand canyon or the giant redwood trees. he boasted in his americanism that our natural beauty here was so spectacular that we had to say that his language is always for generations unborn and that the character, the american chara

so the title kind of came naturally. the subtitle has the word "crusade" in it because he was a crusader for this. to confront roosevelt on wanting to save the grand canyon or grandverdwind cave or mesa verdu better be strong, because he knocked everybody over. i don't know any president as bold as him. his eucharist factor was so high, you cannot comprehend it in the modern political spectrum. if nothing infuriates me more when i read like when people say bill clinton is like theater roosevelt. fees nothing like him. there was a george w. bush is like roosevelt. they're nothing alike. roosevelt was a deep intellectual writer fouad such moral conviction. there roosevelt never lied. >> were out of time. we've not had time to about your bob dylan interview or your book on cronkite. will have to do it later. >> thank you. outback. -- i will be back. thank you, brian. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008] [birds chirping] [sound of a babbling brook] >

and juicy, rethinking as i told you, people find it is natural. people find it much easier to get rid of possessions or to exchange their possessions than to change their minds. and this has very little to do with the functions of iqs or intelligence or whatever the people call it, you know. because of the great trouble in this world always and perhaps now especially it's not an inability to thank. it's an unwillingness to thank. because thinking, believe me, involves thinking as well as kicking a ball, you know, were playing a game or investing in a stock, involve the choice, involves an act of will. we have to look in the mirror and recognize that most of us think, not only do what want to do, not only say what want to say, but we think what we like to think. and that is a habit very difficult to overcome. as i told you, the main problem is not -- the main problem of human beings is not mental or low iqs. it is not the inability to think, but it is the unwillingness to thank. i don't want to talk more about the book. as i told you it's a difficu

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i have known a lot of relief from nature. i go on nature hikes with my kids. to the outdoors is a great replenish your. whenever --- replenisher. i go to big bend national park. my parents or high school teachers. we had a camper and we would go camping at all these places. i very much and like roosevelt in his love of animals. in austin at my study we had some raccoons born under my daughter's bedroom. there's opossum -- lots of' and that come out to eat from the cat's dish. i have bird feeders all over. i like to have wildlife around me. roosevelt was a believer that urban people can develop major divisions. he was very concerned about industrialization and that you had to get back to nature. you did not have to live in the wild, but needed national parks and monuments, places to replenish your spirit and then come back to work. >> you spent part of a summer in north dakota. >> i was 1992 when i first went. i go up there if not every summer or every other summer. i did a lot of research for this booked "to the wilderness warrior" up there. the badlands where

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and natural gas under this cap and trade bill will naturally skyrocket. our democrat majority leadership is pushing to regulate and tax hydraulic fracking, which will make much of the case we are currently getting unavailable and will shove those pricings even higher -- prices even higher. i lost around 900 jobs in my district when the paper mill closed because natural gas was more expensive here in the united states than it was virtually anywhere else. and it was a canadian company. they held on to the property hoping that one day they could reopen it, get back those 900 good jobs. but eventually have announced they will not be reopening the plant. that was the price of natural gas that did that. so i know with the job fair i got coming up in longview, i'm -- we have over 60 employers there that will be offering jobs. we had over 600 people show up looking for jobs at the job fair in lufkin and i'm hoping it will go rell. but i've read enough of this bill and i know enough about the energy industry because we produce a lot of it in east texas. we've got

and yet their relationship was one of a platonic nature. but he became borrows almost -- a son to walt whitman. >> all right. we're in this archive facility here at the national center, conservation center for training. how much time did you spend in this room? >> i would come down here -- i didn't spend that much time in this room. this is a place where they keep the art facts. so we're getting special access. mark madison, a historian would come show me items here, which really informed my writing. for example, behind me there's a bag that says biological survey poison. there was a period of time when the biological survey's job was to do pest control and predator control so farmers wouldn't lose livestock with wolves. on the other side of that mission was farmers would sometimes just shoot birds willy nilly. it's biological survey from the u.s. fish & wildlife that says you've got to keep the birds. they're eating the mosquitos. they're controling the insects. the biological survey is putting out information to farmers on why wildlife is

in terms of variants, nature is more important than nurture. >> nurture is more important than nature. environment is more important than jeans but both play a big part. >> they played a part together. the fall in a way we don't understand. >> that is one of the big questions we will have to face overtime. to say that all things are determined by interaction between genes and the environment is true. the question that is important is how does the environment affect gene expression? how does the gene makes you susceptible? in drug abuse, we are starting to see that certain genetic predispositions make people more susceptible, example, to the pleasant effects of stimulant drugs. everybody knows, some people like marijuana, some people don't like marijuana. it is not a stimulant. some people like it, some people don't like it, what is that? it is a genetic difference, but once you have had it and once you have been using it for a while, the environmental factor comes to play. and interesting kind of thing to figure out, get beyond the truism can't get to the mechanism through which these

and that is natural gas. located in my district in northwest louisiana, recent estimates have projected the haynesville shale contains 234 trillion cubic feet of natural gas production potential. this would make it the largest natural gas plate in the united states and one of the largest in the world. the equivalent of 18 years' worth of u.s. oil production. and i want to point out to you, this is the crosshatched area is the so-called haynesville shale. as you can see it overlies several parishes in louisiana as well as several counties in texas. a very wide area. now, of course, for those listening shale is nothing more, nothing less than a rock formation deep down the earth somewhere around two miles in depth that acts like a sponge. it's full of either gas or oil d sometimes both. we have great methods today to extract fossil fuels from these. let me turn to some more statistics. regarding the haynesville shale. it's provided macik injections of capital into the fourth district of louisiana, my district.

we can drill safely off our shores for oil and natural gas. that will create american jobs and make us less dependent on foreigners. we need to use more nuclear and hydroenergy and eventually we will as an american nation develop alternative energy. meanwhile we don't need the bureaucrats forcing americans into the none of the above energy plan, raising taxes, and forcing us to drive unsafe cars. and that's just the way it is. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentleman from new york rise? mr. engel: i ask unanimous consent to speak out of order for five minutes. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman is recognized for five minutes. mr. engel: i rise today to talk about the unshakeable bond between the united states and israel and i believe that all of us support for israel in this congress is very strong and very bipartisan. i want to commend president obama for making that speech in cairo, the way he spoke before an arab audience in what is t

in the last nine years we have build 11,000 miles of natural gas pipeline. during the same period we've only been able to build 660 miles of high voltage transmission lines interstate. why can't we do it? because you've got all the bifurcated jurisdictions that can stop it saying, no, not here, not across our state. so we have created a piece of legislation this morning that does some really important things. produce more. my amendment ops up the eastern gulf of mexico to produce oil and gas. that just makes sense to me. i think i have a chart here that shows what i did with this amendment. i know that one of my colleagues was on the floor having a seizure about this suggesting that opening the eastern gulf of mexico for oil and gas exploration was going to impede and cause all kinds of difficulties with military training. and the routes over which you have sophisticated, important, military training. well, look, i have been part of a group working on an energy plan called the energy security leadership council and we created a plan and i intremendous doused

as everybody else of the world is shifting toward natural gas. oil is very important to the budget and to exports. iran has the more diversified energy in the gulf. energy is about a quarter of gdp, but it is inefficient in its manufacturing and automotive sectors. they produce cars for domestic consumption. we see a fairly vibrant transport and retail sales sector. 70 million people rely on oil for budget revenues and at the same time, look for job growth and economic activity from other sectors. i think another issue to put iran in context is that iran is not the iran of the 1980's. during the war with iraq, iran, to to a situation where they were a low work middle and come -- a lower middle income. their government had social policies and policies with a number of economic relations. there was the unification of the exchange rate, but what it said was that prior to this, if you had contacts with the regime, you got to buy dollars or euros at much lower exchange rates than someone would on the local market. by unifying the exchange rate, they e

>> i believe all the transmission within the state, it is not regional in nature, should-- the state should have as much authority as the one. when we develop regional transmission which is for the good of the region or the good of the country-- >> should the first people to override the agreed upon plan? >> if it is done by an independent planning authority, yes. i mean, i'm sorry no, and if that is, yes. >> why i think one of the current-- concerns we would have if frugal were involved the right of appeal ought to be not only limited to the transmission proposals but also those with other perspectives. right now-- >> under those circumstances you would gifford the authority to modify transmission plants? >> i think there are legitimate issues with anything involved in transmission but if you are going to create that it got the bee equally available to both the proponents and those that have concerns. >> let me go down the line again. how many of you would support a greenhouse gas interconnection standard of the type proposed by mr. hendsley? can we go down and ask how many of you w

it includes exploration for natural gas and oil. it starts with the idea of building 100 new nuclear power plants in the last -- in the next 20 years. >> senator bennett? >> thank you, chairman bennett, and thank you, senator alexander for your participation. i would also like to thank our witnesses for coming today. icap in trade program would have a detrimental effect, i believe, on the americans some -- on the american consumer. i recognize the future of energy is cleaner engine she -- cleaner energy, including building at least 100 new nuclear power plants in the next 20 years to 25 years. i also believe we can meet our growing needs of energy while fulfilling our obligations to the environment. whether or not you believe in global warming, this should not be an excuse to enact a cab in trade system until we have an international agreement on co2 emissions. advocates of cap in trade argue that to implement the system, american take a global leadership position on climate change. i agree with that. they have argued other nations

it all needs to be backed up by natural gas been no let or gas that can substitute for natural gas as a backup. so we have to be very intelligent about how we use hydrocarbons, but we will have to use a lot more of the world will grow gdp. it has to grow gdp to get people out of poverty. tisza malaria and to have clean water is to have gdp growth in places like sub-saharan africa, and what we -- what they need to get that is energy and you will not get it from wind and solar but you will get from other sources, including nuclear, for political reasons this country has not decided to pursue and it is only because senator pat -- senator harry reid controlled the senate and even a democratic administration will not take him on. i think you are right is we have to be very careful and paste and make sure we understand the science behind that. the second question about -- do you recall? host: more about oil at in russia. guest: 40,000 feet, i am not aware it is the source of much oil in the world. we do not drill in it for it -- 40,000 feet anywhere in a world that i think russia. we still

all americans heat their homes with natural gas, and much of our industrial base is natural gas dependent. the chemical industry, agriculture, aluminum smelting, other sectors of the economy that are held the lead -- that are heavily dependent upon natural gas, jobs would be lost. we wanted to make sure that does not happen, so one of the goals was to establish a modest reduction schedule in the early years. then when we have carbon dioxide capture and storage technology available in 2020, the reductions can become much more onerous. we can get to the goal by the year 2050 of reducing overall emissions by 80%. so this was not something that was done faultlessly or done without proper consideration. it was the result of a carefully negotiated process where we consulted broadly with a wide range of interested stakeholders, and we have support for this approach from industry and also from the environmental community. host: i want to come back to the editorial in a moment. our conversation is with congressman rick boucher of virginia. nancy is on the phone, a democrat line. caller: actually,

he's had so many qualities, and he loves nature, and so does my four-year-old. and he made a difference. >> chase, you have a facility with rooms to rent. a facility that people can come in and put on a conference and all of that. how does that relate to the outside world. and can just the average company and organization rent it? >> the important thing to remember about this place, it's a center for conservation leadership. and that doesn't just mean the federal government, but everyone involved in conservation. whether the fed's, the state or nongovernment or corporations. and the only way to address the conservation challenges in the future is between partnerships across those sectors. so it's open for people to come from any sector it talk about conservation. and to try to figure out solutions to the challenges. >> but you just can't walk through the front door. >> no, not open to the public, but if you are interested in research, we are happy to have you out. >> you say anyone, do you have to have credentials for research? >> the archives are open, and hist

he loved nature. i hope my theodore loves nature. he had exuberant energy. definitely my 4-year-old exhibits that. he made a difference. everybody hopes that. >> steve chase, one of the things i picked up from being here is you have a facility with rooms to rent. i mean, a facility that people can come in and put on a conference and all that. how does that relate to the outside world kane just the average company or organization rent it? >> well, the important thing to remember about this place is, it's a center for conservation leadership. and that doesn't only mean the federal government. that means everybody voved in conservation, whether it be the feds, state government, non-government groups, or corporations. and we think the only way to address or conservation challenges in the future is through partnerships across all those sectors. so the nctc is open for people to come here from any sector to talk about conservation and to try to figure out solutions to the challenges that we face. >> but you can't just walk in the front door. >> no. not open to the

amendment recommended by the committee on energy and commerce printed in the bill, the amendment in the nature of a substitute, consisting of the tech of h.r. 2998 modified by the amendment printed in house report 111-185 is adopted and the bill is considered read. after three hours of debate on the bill, as amended, with 2 1/2 hours equally divided and control by the chairman and raking minority member of energy and commerce, and 30 minutes equally divided and controlled by the chairman of and ranking member of the committee of ways and means, it shall be in order to consider a further amendment in the nature of the substitute printed in part b of the report if offered by the gentleman from virginiaing mr. forbes, or his designee, which shall be considered read, shall be debatable for 30 minutes equally controlled by an opponent and a proponent. the gentleman new york -- the gentleman will control 30 minutes of the bait. the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: i ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days to rhett rhett -- to revise and extend their remarks. the speak

he have found a lot of relief from nature. i go on nature hike was my kids. i'm living in austin. we go to a place called the wild bay son a lot. my parents were high school teachers. we had a trailer and used to go around the country and camp. i am like t.r. for my love of animals. we just had a kid of ra queues born under my daughter's bedroom. i like to have wild life around me. the bad lands there helped me understand that. there's a woman named twila shaffer. many people go on vacations in the summer to south dakota. some of t.r.'s parks are there. not far over the border, he saved as our first national monument. if you go north to north dakota is theodore roosevelt national park. you are going to see buffalo in the wild, antelope. it's one of these great places in america. summers in montana, you are getting a lot of forest fires now. the whole skywmÑ is just lit up hope any the obama administration will do more to protect the missouri river. it's prayerry lands. so often, we haven't trezz you'red. these areas, i feel more happy in. better than the coast. >> had you been wor

that involves the third branch as well, we shouldn't leave that out, and an understanding of the nature of the struggle to recall some of the details behind what goes, what went into the constitution, it is more or less a textbook point to say the constitution separates power as we know. each time the constitution power since the nature of the power is best in legislated executive or judicial. each power has an institution which is to say departmental home as we know, the bicameral congress, presidency and judiciary respectfully. what's important to understand about the institutions of government is they represent different things so to speak. the congress and the judiciary represent the will fall after all that is where our representatives make their choices as to how we should be governed, and hamilton, alexander hamilton, we heard from him and bill a moment ago called rules for the regulation of society. the judiciary tends to vindicate those rules in the cases of controversies which interested again in the law. the executive though is where it gets interesting. the executive is much

he is wrong about natural-gas.i think his judgment might be skewed by the fact that he owns all of it. [laughter] but i don't think that we can afford to try to do a double fault here. he says we should retrofit all of our engines and everything to run on the natural gas and then figure out how to the plug and hybrid spigot i just think that's a lot of capital. we don't have a lot. i would rather try to drive as quickly as we can. i'm a radical one this i will let me to think we need to go as quickly as we can always from liquid fuels. i think we need to be talking about electric cars and plug into a clean energy grid. because that's hard to pull off but if you can pull that off, smart digitized agreed with smart cars and smart homes with appliances that talk to each other and conserve as much energy as they can without yelling at your kids to turn off the lights and that stuff we can't have the fate of the world depending on your third grader to cut out the lights. [laughter] there are these things called chips, y

again, i will yield anybody time who can stand and say with a straight face that mother nature targets districts represented by appropriators or committee chairs or ranking minority members. i don't think that that's the way it is. i think -- and i have great respect for the lady from california, we've worked together on a number of issues and this is not just an issue that anybody has with this particular earmark, but it's with many in this piece of legislation. we need to ensure that fema looks and does this on a risk-based way, where they look at risk and award accordingly when members of congress go and earmark, it simply becomes a spoil system. unfortunately i think that's what we're seeing here. so, madam chair, i would urge support for the amendment and yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from arizona. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the noes have it. the amendment is not agreed to. the gentleman from arizona. mr. flake: i would ask for a recorded vote. the chair: pursuant

gas prices 55 -- and natural gas prices 55%. this congress, for the last two and a half years, has refused to take on a real american energy plan to produce domestic sources of all our traditional sources of energy, and developing new sources. we support the effort for energy efficiency. we support the effort to promote new an alternative forms of energy. we do not support this kind of suicide for the american economy. i urge my colleagues to oppose this bill. >> madam speaker, i want to yield now to the gentleman who had been the chairman of the energy subcommittee on our full committee last congress, and he was instrumental in getting the first draft of the legislation that we worked on. more importantly, as a knowledgeable individual of this area, and from a constituency that has a special concern about the problems, he was able to negotiate with us so that we could reach some of the accommodations in this legislation that has made it a much better bill. i want to yield to him with great admiration, five minutes. >> i thank t

state of pennsylvania. 80% of pennsylvania rests upon the shale which is likely the third largest natural gas -- plate of natural gas in the world, it's literally hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of clean burning natural gas that could power our country for decades while bringing jobs and all the economic benefits with it. . just today in the "wall street journal," there was an article titled k.k.r. invests in gas exploration. within cap and trade we talk a lot about renewables that only exist because of the subsidy we're putting into them. and this is a great article. this is what america is all about in terms of real science. it talks about the company k.k.r., it has invested in gas exploration. didn't take stimulus money, didn't take subsidy money from the federal government or any other level of government. it was free market enterprise money investing in natural gas because they recognize the value of it. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. thompson: thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the chair recognizes the gentleman from new york. mr. to