but offshore processing scheme in nauru. but now offshore processing scheme in nauru .but now let's turn nauru. but now let's turn through the front pages . the through the front pages. the sunday telegraph says doctors were wage war on nhs managers after letby. that's the sunday telegraph there. the sunday times, however, says killer letby was offered role at top children's hospital after witch hunt. so sticking to a similar theme there, the observer, of course, continues with the biggest story in town . now biggest story in town. now investigate hospital bosses to be trial expert urges police lots to be stuck in getting stuck into there and the mail on sunday says now raw to victory lioness is by order of the king that of course, the other big story this morning and on to the sunday express boats crisis eu revenge for brexit. it that's what the former heads of the uk border agency has said and to the sun on sunday now race row star quits emmerdale that's a little leftfield story of course it talks about the football as well, but the sunday mirror back to the lionesses

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one of the greatest challenges us in the nauru challenges for us in the nauru setup manus is when setupd is when we identified that seemed setup and manus island is when we intercepted that seemed setup and manus island is when we intercepted trpeople'sed we intercepted them, people's identification all thrown identification was all thrown over the didn't know who over the sea. we didn't know who people we didn't what people were, we didn't know what risk potentially pose. risk they may potentially pose. from security from a national security perspective welfare from a national security peaustralians. welfare from a national security peaustralians. so welfare from a national security peaustralians. so that welfare from a national security peaustralians. so that process of australians. so that process was and arduous in was long and arduous in identifying people they identifying people who they were, backgrounds how were, their backgrounds and how were, their backgrounds and how we those claims. we could assess those claims. and deals were struck and obviously deals were struck up new ze

, was to take the nauru, the nauru model.turned out months there out that within months there immigration went a trickle . immigration went to a trickle. >> that must be right, wasn't it, that australia showed this can be done? it's not an unsolvable insoluble problem unsolvable and insoluble problem , it's one can be dealt , it's one that can be dealt with. but you've got be quite with. but you've got to be quite tough. it's right to be tough. but it's right to be tough. but it's right to be tough you're dealing tough because you're dealing with very wicked people. traffickers who enormous traffickers who make an enormous fortune from peddling in other people's misery. >> i agree with all that . what >> i agree with all that. what have you got to be careful is not to think and not to say to not to think and not to say to not behave as though all these migrants were were were criminals. we've got to be careful that people don't look at this barge as some kind of napoleonic. do you remember the hulk? >> the hulk? well i don't

recognized the independence of south ossetia and abkhazia, this is russia, syria, nicaragua, venezuela, and nauru countries of tuvalu, ivanova have withdrawn their recognition twice. the founder of the commander of the georgian national legion , mother, we congratulate you, and actually where did you find the news that russia entered georgia with its troops ? - and some of them started telling me that my friends started a conflict against russia. so i had a rather shocking situation in 2018, and there will be parallels between the rejection in ukraine очень чёткие eh, well, not everyone actually ignored it, and i am now pleased to say that among the presidents and heads of states who flew to tbilisi in the first days of georgia, there was in particular ukrainian president viktor yushchenko. with him, we see lech kaczyński, who is already deceased, who in 2010 died during a plane crash near smolensk , and tomos hendrik ilves, the then estonian prime minister, and valdes adamskus, actually, that is, these people even flew in interesting a story that they did not fly, they flew on board the presiden

recognized independence of south ossetia and abkhazia, this is russia, syria, nicaragua, venezuela and naurutwo other countries, tuvalu, ivanovo, withdrew their recognition, actually, we will remember and talk about it, and we will talk about it, journalist, producer , and new, in touch with us, mrs. inno, i congratulate you, i congratulate you , glory to ukraine heroes thanks, actually, i will have two questions in time, so many , but there are, you will have time to answer them , first, i would like to ask the lesson of this war that happened, that took many lives, that broke georgia into parts, in fact, by efforts of the russian aggressive army, why did this lesson not teach the world anything at the time, and it actually did not teach ukraine much, then mistakes were made that allowed russia to grow over time into that monster that first attacked syria and then ukraine, please forgive me, i will talk in russian, it was a pain to talk about the fact that i am with georgia, i and a ukrainian woman from georgia , you know, for so many years, for so many years, to explain to people how to le

in nauru and manus island. in virtually all cases . and if virtually all cases.these asylum seekers were found to be legitimate refugees , some to be legitimate refugees, some of them made their way to australia, the vast majority did not. the vast majority were either sent back to where they had originally come from or were sent to a third country and this worked . and i can tell you why worked. and i can tell you why it worked because the labour party opposed this when they were in government between two thousand and seven and 2013. they won the election last year and they haven't changed the conservatives approach to border security since coming to government last year. so, you know, when the left of politics supports a conservative plan because it works , you know that because it works, you know that there's no more politics in this in australia. it's settled policy it's bipartisan in. policy and it's bipartisan in. and just wonder the and i just wonder what the politicians have been in politicians have been doing in this country given that 45,000 people ille

australia and obviously you successfully put people off landing on australian shores by processing them in nauruthese legal challenges? >> i mean, is the difference between us and you, the echr and the fact that we probably have to leave it in order to further our own? so number one policy aims, we anticipated there would be, you know, what a hare called lefty lawyers. >> yeah , lodging, all sorts of >> yeah, lodging, all sorts of cases , that there would be cases, that there would be a massive litigation . so we lined massive litigation. so we lined up the laws as best we could to avoid that, to make sure, because after all, the parliament makes the law , not parliament makes the law, not the lawyers . so the laws were the lawyers. so the laws were substantially changed in australia. i won't go into how we changed them. and secondly , we changed them. and secondly, it is a fair point where australia is not part of the europe, not part of europe, is not part of the european convention on human rights. the uk is the strasbourg court has expanded its remit very substantially over the last few year

agreement. they had the nauru agreement.of course, but we yet to return hardly we have yet to return hardly anybody. i think that's come across on a small boat other than foreign national offenders. returns are really, really low. and my experience, the and you know, my experience, the only way to send a real only real way to send a real message to migrants the message to migrants and the smugglers won't be smugglers is that you won't be allowed to stay here. but as you know, say, last five know, as you say, the last five number still here. number people are still here. their backs up for their backs, their backs up for years years kind of a years and years in a kind of a limbo position . and that isn't limbo position. and that isn't so for them. if they're so bad for them. if they're well looked to looked after, they're going to continue , aren't they? okay. >> thank you, tony. thanks for joining former joining us this morning. former director of the uk director general of the uk border force. tony smith there. director gen

. sent them straight to nauru.ven at the height of the australians were of what the australians were doing, there were only 12,000 people in the camp that they put the migrants on there. now it's simply not enough with simply not enough to cope with the coming across. the numbers coming across. i mean, ascension island is small. there's only 900 people living there. so in practise, i'm not sure how well it's going to work because you would need to build accommodation facilities. you'd also need to put in extra electro city water, sewage and all these kind of things . what all these kind of things. what about the food that they need? so you mean putting them on a small island like this? it sounds good, but in practise i think it isn't going to work for many more than, you know, a thousand or so migrants, which means you still have the problem of the other tens of thousands coming across still be in this country. >> okay , we have to leave it >> okay, we have to leave it there. thank you, david curtin, for that excel

yes, including, you know , we are considering those who we have with flashing lights and naurus, butntive for him to work. well, not all, rogue thieves. believe a lot of normal honest people just so that it works to stimulate and somehow support and that's it. the rest of the package. do you mean car? i didn't understand. it's been like this all the time. no, i'm just yes, because you and i are considering the question of what we will call if they got into a russian car, yes, and i suggest that you consider the issue that such a negative anton vladimirovich here is such a picture, he immediately painted, or something, all around thieves and deceivers. yes, it’s all a little, as always, more diverse and a little different. but once again i want to repeat that you want to work directly as such an official. here, uh, what should be your main picture, maybe it's some kind of idealistic picture. yes, a performance, yes, you have to work here for the sake of your homeland, a large homeland, small for the sake of your own there, i don’t know, fellow villagers or there residents of this area

so people processed in nauru. so let's find out from him.taken all of the recommendations completely recommendations, but completely cocked up . so yeah, cocked most of them up. so yeah, we'll try and answers from him. >> you say, there e you say, there >> as you say, there is this blame game. it just seems to me we're at an impasse and i wonder if we can ever stop this because the bibby stockholm is the only boat that's ever been stopped . boat that's ever been stopped. yes. and it rolls on and rolls on. spoke to the shadow on. we spoke to the shadow education minister earlier and part the detail alluded to by part of the detail alluded to by stephen kinnock in the mirror today is ensure genuine refugees can contribute to britain, which i put to her. would that mean we work visas for those who are processed and she said yes, that is something that we then wouldn't incentivise more wouldn't that incentivise more people to come and game people to come across and game the i people to come across and game thei mean, are also seemingly >> i mean

so processing plant in nauru. so he's got some fascinating new guinea .in britain, john caldwell, the founder of phones for you , he gave half a million for you, he gave half a million to the tory party before the 2019 election. >> what does he think of the tories now? big questions. yes >> will we continue to donate to them? i mean, they like them? i mean, they seem like a lost i'm fascinated about lost cause. i'm fascinated about the processing aspect the offshore processing aspect in australia. it was it was centre loyal to the success of australia stop the boats campaign. we don't have anything like that britain. do you like that in britain. do you think he'll be liaising with people here and maybe we can pick a few up the aussies? >> well, i think certainly what has in recent years is has happened in recent years is that people in government have spoken to the australians about some of successes that they some of the successes that they made, but the government is very reticent follow with reticent to follow through with some of the more , i don't kn

it did work in nauru on the law on the lawyer point, i don't think i'm going to risk saying i think therewyers. i don't think i'm just not qualified, qualified to say that i don't i don't have that i don't have i don't have the evidence . the evidence. >> ask you also this >> let me ask you also this morning , liz truss well, liz morning, liz truss is well, liz truss is let's let's say is on the page of the daily star the front page of the daily star this morning. about her this morning. this is about her pm resignation , an list that the pm resignation, an list that the number she's she wants to give out 14 gongs for the rac one for every three days that she was in office going going gong do you think that's appropriate or should she because she was in office for such a long a short penod office for such a long a short period of time, should she just have said actually, i'm not going to give out any gongs? >> interesting point. i mean, prime ministers do have a way of having, you know, yes. resignation not even resignation no, not even resignation. was demolition resignation. this was de

as you know, in australia they had nauru and island in the pacific where they did this.appropriate or as potential location. or not as a potential location. as understand it, it was ruled as i understand it, it was ruled out at that time because as your report shows, there's very little habitation ascension little habitation on ascension island. it would be a huge investment to do what the australians did narrow on australians did in narrow on ascension island. and when you talk plan a and plan b , talk about plan a and plan b, actually rwanda a plan b, actually rwanda is a plan b, plan a was to come to an agreement with the european union and france, which are of course, safe countries to return people instantly to france where they don't fear persecution . and they don't fear persecution. and of course, france is a signatory to the 1951 convention. i think most people would want to do that if that were feasible. but unfortunately, government unfortunately, this government hasn't able to negotiate an hasn't been able to negotiate an agreement with the eu on being able t