. >> mike connell, center for naval nam sees. they broached the idea of internet sovereignty as we way of moving forward, sbu sovereign control of that with their territory spt there any opportunity of working with them in that area or there's no room for compromise in that area? >> any of you guys want -- >> well, so the idea has occurred could you make a trade where you acknowledged the desire by russia and several other countries for greater control over the net in exchange for some level of cooperation, perhaps on cybercrime, perhaps on stability. and it just -- there's two fundamental problems. but first there's very often the deal would involve abandoning core parts of the universal czech cla raftion humration of and western countries aren't willing to do that. and second you could get the confession and not get anything in response. so it has been talked about in the past few years and doesn't seem to be a useful avenue. even the russians don't raise it anymore. we have another one? go ahead. >> thomas schwartz, also at cn