i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. so i don't even want to go there. >> reporter: navarro's op-ed came after anonymous white house officials said things about fauci to reporters. >> they realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. >> reporter: now, white house officials are trying to distance themselves from navarro with one top aid saying in a tweet, the peter navarro op-ed is the opinion of peter alone. the president values the expertise of the medical professionals advising his administration. one white house official went further, saying navarro had been told by chief of staff mark meadows to de-escalate the situation with fauci but that he violated those instructions by writing the op-ed anyway. top republican lawmakers appear to be on team fauci from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. what's your level in confidence of dr. fauci at this point? >> total. >> reporter: to senator lindsey graham. both are battling for re-election. >> we don't have a d

peter navarro in the pages of "usa today."ou wonder if they're going to think twice going forward after thinking about going after dr. fauci in the way that they did. >> you know, john, clearly the attitude toward dr. fauci comes from the top but if the president was actually concerned about this he could have stopped peter navarro or defended dr. fauci over the past several days and weeks. i clearly didn't hear a lot of that. >> of course. he also could have fired peter navarro. this is a keystone cop situation. they have no idea what they're doing. they have a pandemic that the president is trying to ignore that is raging out of control. they have no strategy to deal with it. and they're allowing people to vent the president's frustration, which he did yesterday in that punch drunk news conference he gave. so, you know, this is something the american people can see. we had a new quinnipiac poll out today that showed the american people by more than 2-1 saying the president is not honest. he is under water in his approval by

i can't comment on navarro. he's in a world by himself, so i don't even want to go there. >> joining me now, political correspondent for "business insider," sonnem chef. let's address dr. fauci's point there in that he's saying this is only hurting the administration. give me your reaction to that. >> yeah, there's certainly merit to fauci's reaction that this is bizarre and it's hurting the admin strachlgts. he's a voice of the white house. to have another member of the white house basically come out and attack him the way navarro did is certainly very notable and doesn't reflect well on the administration because it signals there's no one coordinated strategy from the white house on dealing with the coronavirus. think this is also why we saw a string of statements from the white house and chief of staff mark meadows as you said basically distancing themselves from the op-ed. you know, we saw the president himself saying navarro shouldn't have published it and his op-ed was pretty much representing himself and

now, peter navarro -- >> peter navarro is not a public health expert. he doesn't know anything about what he's talking about. he can read. i can read too. i can read studies. but at the end of the day, what we have as a country to rely upon is the expertise of people who know this field and yet he's the person that the administration is putting out there to try to advance this view. again, this is why the administration is failing and why the american people see the administration failing. >> speaking of reading, i don't know if president trump reads his daily brief. this came up in a new axios interview we have a clip of it, and in which the reporter jonathan swan asked the president whether or not he confronted vladimir putin about the bounties on american soldiers' heads. here's that exchange. >> we discussed numerous things. we didn't discuss it. >> you didn't discuss it with him? >> it didn't reach my desk because they didn't think -- intelligence didn't think it was real. they didn't think it was worthy of -- if it reached my desk i would have don

i know navarro commented on the hydroxychloroquine study. to be clear, a stud they came out later than the other study already suggesting he couldn't use it. this later study suggested maybe there was some benefit. a lot of challenges with that study and one of the them actually was that most of the patients who got hydroxychloroquine amounts got court coe steroids we know actually have a mortality benefit. challenges with that study and while dr. fauci's credentials are in medicine, science and research, navarro's are not in that space. >> no, they are not. let's talk about what appears to be a change here that hospital data on coronavirus patients is now going to go through hhs instead of the cdc. do you have concerns were they? >> i think there are a lot of challenges with that. this was a shock to many of us. this happened soar of the wee hows. 10:00 p.m. this announcement. what i think is important to understand. first is, that there have been challenges with data and reporting of this disease and the challenges have been real and repre

this is a rogue effort from peter navarro.cult to imagine that he would not have done this without thinking or knowing that the president was onboard with it. >> and we focus on dr. fauci and the president is the ceo of the operation and the coronavirus task force meets today and it's in private. the president hasn't talked to dr. redfield and dr. fauci in a long time and it's been two months and we're in the middle of a pandemic, setting a record for a state count and the president came into the rose garden yesterday and he was supposed to talk about china. i just want to show the headline of a great analysis piece by our friend peter baker of "the new york times," trump turned it into a meandering monologue. the president spoke in the rose garden for 63 minutes and spent only six minutes answering questions from reporters. this is the president's operation and yet he seems to not want to confront the reality of the moment. >> it often seems like the president is having one conversation and the rest of the country is having a

that's peter navarro's opinion.any say anthony fauci has decades of medical experience, the top infectious disease expert in the country and that he, at times during this crisis, like many other officials, has given information that the science has then moved along and there are different views on that. one example would be masks, initially saying that to protect the mask supply for health care workers, americans didn't need to wear masks, now fully embraces the idea that we should all be masking up when in public and unable to do social distancing. so, this is not only a white house mixed message, this is a warring message where the white house is trying to claim there is not some underground effort to discredit anthony fauci, and yet you see examples of this in addition to other white house officials who have been complaining privately, without doing it with their names on it. peter navarro did this very boldly and put his name on it. stephanie? >> boldly, or cowardly? kelly o'donnell thank you very much. i want t

then peter navarro today doubled down on all of that in an article in usa today. president trump has since sought to distance himself somewhat from peter navarro's comments and doctor felt she, you just were explaining, has said that he does not really understand what is going on. he called it a major mistake, did not understand why the white house would seek to discredit him. and it is of concern to people

peter navarro, advisor to the president, dr.d bedside manner to the public and he has been wrong about everything i have interacted with him on. so when you ask me when i listen to dr. fauci's advice, my answer is only with skepticism and caution. is the president, dr. fauci, and the vice president today. >> president trump: he made a statement representing himself, he shouldn't be doing that. i have a very good relationship with anthony. >> it is a bit bizarre, i don't fully understand it. i think they realize that was not a prudent thing to do because is only reflecting negatively on them. i can't explain peter navarro, he is and will by himself. >> peter fat she is a valued member of the coronavirus task force, we just completed our latest meeting today and we couldn't be more grateful for his study council. spiel of the vice president even put out our picture of that meeting. kimberly, your thoughts? >> the white house also said the navarro peace had not been vetted and didn't go through the usual process, and that seems to

navarro's criticism is the most direct result on fauci's credibility to date. following a sustained white hous effort to sideline him. a top trump aide posting a cartoon mocking fauci. the white house providing a document to reporters aimed at damaging his reputation fauci today calling the behavior bizarre. >> i cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. but, i mean, i think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do because it's only reflecting negatively on them >> reporter: and saving a few choice words for his latest white detractor. >> i can't explain peter navarro, he's in a world by himself i don't even want to go there. >> reporter: meantime a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds joe biden with an 11 point national lead over president trump. with seven in ten voters sayin the country is on the wrong track and the majority disapproving of the president's handling of the coronavirus and race relations. lester >> geoff bennett of the white house, thank you. >>> just breaking, twitter says it's investigati

i can't explain peter navarro. so, i don't even want to go there. >> it was worth noting he says his input goes through the vice president, not the president. >> reporter: there's no question about it. the president and dr. fauci have not been on good terms for some time. the president says he has a good relationship with dr. fauci. the two haven't spoken, as far as i know, for many weeks. the other thing we should point out about peter navarro. it was months ago when dr. fauci and peter navarro had a big alteration over hydroxy chloroquin. he apparently threw down a stack of articles saying see, it works. and dr. fauci said what are you talking about, peter? that has not been established. that's an unproven treatment. and we see, at best, mixed results. and many are not convinced about it. i will tell you i try to reach out to dr. fauci this morning about this and he didn't want to engage all that much with the situation. he wants to focus on what's important. but you get the sense from talking to him that he is e

i can explain peter navarro. he is in a world by himself. i don't even want to go there. >> he doesn't even want to go there. right now, president trump is down in battleground georgia talking about expediting infrastructure projects and an executive order that he signed to cut red tape and remove burdensome regulation. the white house takes on seven years to permit a big highway project like the i-75 down in georgia. that process will be cut. the other issue that president trump has been talking a bit about is the possibility of some kind of federal intervention in democrat-run cities which have seen these big spikes in violence and president trump today teased a big announcement about this topic sometime next week. >> neil: real quickly, the argument that peter navarro went ahead and wrote this column that really ripped dr. fauci a new one, wouldn't it be procedure for him to round out by a certainly others at the white house or indirectly trying to give the president a heads up so that he is not surprised? >> that would absolutely be that

navarro said that dr. fauci was wrong about everything they had discussed together.ear in midrndfauci is key force -- is a key member of the white house coronavirus task force. the government you are actively s activeo advise trying to discredit you. dr. fauci responds, "i sit here and shrug my shoulders and say, you know, that's life in the fast lane." day, president trump was asked for his view on dr. fauci. pres. trump: we are all on the same team. i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. we want to getid of this mess that china sent us. everybody is workingn the same line, and we are doing very well. . are doing well in of ways, and our country is coming back really strong. when you look at those job numbers -- we've never had job numbers like we have right now. it's coming back very strongly. >>, kat they are not looking like they are always on the same team. katty: no.i think that's a fair characterization. there's been a kd of fiasco over the last 24 hours where we between people in itets house and dr. fauci, who has been counseling states not to open u

anthony fauci. >> well, that's peter navarro, but i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. >> reporter: even though the president and the nation's top infectious disease expert haven't spoken in weeks, trump insisted they have a good relationship and said peter navarro shouldn't have published this "usa today" op-ed attacking fauci. >> i get along very well with dr. fauci. i have a very good relationship. >> reporter: dr. fauci said he found the recent attacks by the white house including an anonymous memo criticizing him bizarre. >> if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. >> reporter: as for the president's trade adviser, fauci said there are no words. >> i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. so i don't even want to go there. >> reporter: under the headline, navarro cited multiple instances where he and fauci have disagreed and said he only listens to him with skepticism and caution. the attack by an official with no medica

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself so i don't even want to go there. >> for his part, trump down played his differences with fauci today and rep remanded navarro. >> he made a statement remitting himself. he shouldn't be doing that. i have a very good relationship with anthony. thank you very much. thank you. >> and i'm joined now by jeff bennett, white house correspondent for msnbc and jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. jeff, if you could, try to explain what happened here with this navarro op-ed. the president didn't seem entirely pleased wit, but how did it come into the public square to begin with? >> when you have both president trump and white house officials trying to distance themselves from this op-ed that navarro wrote, but look, there's little doubt this op-ed and navarro's comments reflect and convey president trump's own frustrations. he said today he likes fauci, but that doesn't really matter much in given the fact that here we are in the throes of

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. >> alcindor: those comments come after navarro, president trump's top trade advisor, lashed out an fauci in "usa today" op- ed. he wrote that fauci "has been wrong about everything i have interacted with him on." he also said he takes dr. fauci's advice "with skepticism and caion." navarro's criticism echoes what the president himself has said about dr. fauci. here he is last week in an interview with fox news' sean hannity. >> a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes. >> alcindor: but today, white house aides tried to distance the president from navarro's comments. in a tweet, white house the op-ed "didn't go throughid normal white house clearan processes and is the opinion of peter alone." the president also responded: >> that's peter navarro, but i have a very good relationship with dr. fci. so there's never been a time when two candidates o different. >> alcindor: all this, as president trump is behind in many polls and faces fierce to covid-19. his

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself so i don't even want to go there. >> reporter: so, kate, there are no words there for peter navarro. and he was there tor the task force meeting and cnn cameras saw him arriving around the same time that the president was boarding marine one to go to laul. so not likely they crossed paths today. >> not for several weeks at this point. thank you very much. >>> joining me now is dr. thom engles from the center at johns hopkins. great to see you again. thank you for being here. from your perspective, when you hear dr. fauci saying today that we essentially need to hit a re-set button in terms of trying to get control of the situation, so next month doesn't look like there is another texas happening or another florida, what does that look like from your perspective? >> well, first of all, i think he's right. i think we do need a re-set. majority of the states in the country are seeing an increase in the cases and as you said a number of them reaching all-time hi

navarro has no personal medical experience. president, well, he says this -- >> i get along very well with dr. fauci. i get along very well with dr. fauci. i have a very good relationship. that's peter navarro. >> read into that as you wish, i guess. >>> still ahead for us, republican voters in alabama and texas give the president some love. meaning he voted for the candidates he backed. usaa is made for what's next no matter what challenges life throws at you, we're always here to help with fast response and great service and it doesn't stop there we're also here to help look ahead that's why we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months so you can keep more cash in your pockets for when it matters most and that's just one of the many ways we're here to help the military community find out more at usaa.com i waited to get treated. thought surgery was my only option. but then i found out about nonsurgical treatments. it was a total game changer. learn more about the c

t i can't explain peter navarro. naes world by himself. so i don't even want to go there.: robenathan, i know you want to jump in. this was a week where politics and theolitical map seemed to be scrambled. just weeks ahead of the convention. but also annt imporeek of the inside the white house of the president and his allies saying to dr. fauci and others, we're in control. jonathan: yeah. and you know the white house press secretary came out and tried tootally deny the idea that there was any tension between the president and dr. fauci. inact, what she said is this whole idea of fauci versus the president couldn be further om the truth. and she went out and said that as -- you know, navarro was writing that op-ed and it would appear the next day. but eve before she came out and said that, dan scavino w outranks the press secretary, deputy chief of staff for communications, one of the top two or three closest advisors to the president in that white house, posted a cartoon mocking fauci on hiseb fk page. a rather crude, you know, cartoon. a

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. >> fauci went on to say it's time to stop this non-sense and one note and let's be candid. americans that value fauci's advice have to hope he does an interview or pod cast or zoom every day where we can at least see him and hear him and quote him because he's no longer allowed to appear at white house coronavirus briefings, which with few exceptions are no longer happening. today in an apparent effort at damage control, the vice president posted a picture of his meeting with the world's leading infectious disease specialist in the situation room. no sign of wolf blitzer. oklahoma governor kevin stit who is a covid down player seen here next to senator jim inhoff at the tulsa rally last month said he tested positive for the virus. the first governor to be infected. he's still hesitant to mandate masks in oklahoma. another republican governor kay ivy of alabama did issue a statewide mask mandate but no details on how she wishes it to be enforced. the nation'

peter navarro wouldn't be in the administration any longer. scavino, his right hand man on social media since the campaign would not be posting images calling dr. fauci dr. faucet on facebook. this just wouldn't be happening if the president was okay with it. the other thing that i noticed there, chuck, and i think it's just worth pointing out, jeff sessions, i was in mobile, alabama, in august of 2015 when donald trump had a pretty big rally down there and the surprise guest was jeff sessions. he came out in the rain, put on a make america great again hat. >> i remember it. >> it was the first endorsement by a sitting senator for donald trump, and he campaigned with him. he was rewarded mightily by being put into the attorney general position, and then because jeff sessions in the circumstances of the russia investigation, did the right thing and what was required of him in the rules, which was to recuse himself. because he did the right thing, donald trump punished him by refusing to back his campaign in the senate, trying to tear hem down,

the top white house trade adviser peter navarro wrote a pretty stunning op-ed today. dr. fauci has a good bedside manner with the public but he's been wrong on everything i have interacted with him on. if you ask me do i trust him it's only with skepticism and caution. >> keep in mind, dr. fauci responds to outbreaks, like ebola. let's get to john harwood, skeptical observer of the white house might wonder if the white house is trying to have it both ways, while one of the most trusted advisers is openly attacking dr. fauci here. what's going on? is it trying to have it both ways? >> look, jim, what's going on is this is a chaotic white house, has been throughout the president's term. that operates from moment to moment. a bunch of players acting individually and it says something broader, but it goes beyond president trump. it's not surprising that a president so unsuited and uninterested in governance would have a weak, white house staff. the last two white house chiefs of staffs have been far right extremists from the house of representatives. the current press secreta

navarro can think that. that's fine. he didn't take the step and say here's who you should listen to. here's what we're doing. he took this prime piece of real estate in usa today and didn't further the conversation. he just created more muddle. that's in some ways, that's all they're doing. fauci laid out a couple things we know about this virus. he laid out if we wore masks, he laid out if we did a couple more things, if we separated, didn't go to crowds, we could get some of this under control. emwe could do it in a matter of, i believe in the article, four to eight weeks. but if no one will be clear about the reporting lines about, who is communicating on behalf of this government, or this white house, then people are not really going to listen. what's really going on here, putting the white house aside for a second, is fauci still playing in the world of science and he's still playing in the world of medicine and it is good that he is. but people have moved on to the world of politics and human nature and those two

and he said "i can't explain peter navarro.is in a world by himself, so i don't even want to go there. this quote dana. >> dana: all right. thanks for the update, we appreciate it. the president's comments are coming as we are seeing a rise in violence in several cities, including new york where the police chief and a few cops have been hurt in protest today. we have the latest. she is live outside city hall in new york city. >> dana, it has been a very long morning for police and four protesters and demonstrators, and right now, the tension continues. go ahead and take a look. it is happening right outside city hall. we have these counter protesters. every time they see police pass by, they start yelling, and they are basically trying to talk to some of these parishioners. these church parishioners who are walking and marching with police earlier today during the power of prayer march, and that also turn violent this morning. we want to show you some alarming video. it shows a protester on the brooklyn bridge striking nypd off

despite multiple reports that navarro and the president are actually in sync on the attack. dr. fauci now responding to the white house smear campaign. >> it is a bit bizarre. i don't really fully understand it. if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. and i don't think that that was their intention. i don't know. i cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. >> here are the facts at this hour. in georgia, republican governor brian kemp is overruling mayors in georgia who have ordered mandatory masks in their cities, despite the public health guidelines. the nation's largest retailer walmart will require shoppers to wear masks starting monday at all its stores and sam's clubs. moments ago target and cvs announcing they will also require masks in their stores. and alabama becomes the latest state to require mask wearing after governor kay ivey issued a sweeping order requiri

peter navarro attacked dr. anthony, the nation's top infectious disease expert in a published usa today op-ed. dr. navarro writes this, has a good bedside manner with the public but he's been wrong with everything i have interacted with him on. here's what president trump told reporters about it a short time ago. >> yeah, i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci and we're all on the same team. we want to get rid of this mess that china sent us. he made a statement representing himself he shouldn't be doing that. >> for his part, dr. fauci has always responded to the attacks him, he said, quote, when the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it it ultimately hurts the president. joining our conversation los angeles times white house president eli stokols and dr. susan bailey. doctor bailey, i have to start with you and this projection that we're heading toward the possibility that 240,000 americans could lose their lives by november, how are we to pro

and we're all in the same team. >> but the president's trade advisor peter navarro published a scathing op ed wednesday in the nation's largest paper accusing fauci of being wrong on the benefits ofde closings early in the pandemic. >> i can't explain peter navarro. he in a world by himself. >> president trump has made similar criticisms of fauci but today tried to distance himself. >> well, that is peter navarro. >> dr. fuchi seen as today's coronavirus task force meeting at the white house called the of the to discredit him bizarre, especially when the pandemic is raging. >> i realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. >> in an interview with norah for instyle magazine, fauci said i don't like to be pitted against the preion to reroute critical hospital data on covid patients away from the cdc to a private database at the department of health and human services. the move could make the data less transparent to the public and researchers, and hinder the fight against the virus. >> what they are basically doing seon the need

president trump's trade advisor peter navarro has openly challenged dr. fauci'sec fighting the pandemic. cbs' paula reid reports tonight from the white house. >> reporter: president trump insists he is on good terms with dr. anthony fauci, even as direct attacks are launched against the top doctor from the west wing of the white house. >> i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. and we're all in the same team. ident's tradebut the president's advisor peter trade advisor peter navarro published a scathing op-ed wednesday in the nation's largest paper accusing fauci of being wrong on the benefits of masks and border closings early in the pandemic. >> i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. >> reporter: president trump has made similar criticisms of fauci, but today tried to distance himself. >> well, that is peter navarro. >> reporter: dr. fauci seen at today's coronavirus task force meeting at the white house called the efforts to discredit him bizarre, especially when the pandemic is raging. >> i realize that was a major mistake

he said, quote, that's peter navarro, but i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. this is according to pool notes. so what's notable about this, andrea, is that in the wake of navarro's op-ed, we've had a number of white house officials come out and try to distance themselves from that criticism, saying that navarro speaks for himself. president trump with very tepid remarks. the fact check to all of this is that behind the scenes, white house officials have been privately undercutting anthony fauci for days. and frankly, weeks and months, andrea, in conversations with reporters including myself, trying to undercut his credibility. now, why are they doing that? dr. fauci usually has a more blunt assessment as it relates to the covid crisis and has offered some really stark warnings about what needs to happen in order to make sure that there isn't a second wave in the fall. so some white house officials have felt as though his messaging has been counter to what we're hearing from president trump. but again, a lot of mixed messaging on this point as it relates to dr.

at the very minimum, peter navarro circumvented the usual protocols and didn't get this passed by thehey're distancing office, you have the president they‘ re distancing yourself office, you have the president they're distancing yourself from peter navarro saying he shouldn't have said that and doctor fauci asked about peter navarro's comments, his trade adviser stomach saying, listen to me lives in a different world than me, it's weird what he's doing and distancing himself might as well. doctor fauci trying to concentrate on getting this virus under control. just another day in washington. inc. he very much for guiding us through it. stay with us on outside source, still to come: new research suggest nearly every country in the world could have shrinking populations by the end of the century, because of falling fertility rates. the biggest easing of lockdown restrictions in scotland is under way — with the reopening of indoor spaces including hotels, places of worship and hairdressers. but when scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, announced the changes, she warned people to b

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself, so i don't want even want to go there. >> fact is, though, dr. fauci's wrong. he is not in a world by himself. he works in the white house. he works for the most powerful man in the country. and there is a reason for that. there's reason he is in the white house. because the president wants him there. dr. fauci is trying to ascribe good motives to a lot of folks in the white house, who maybe are talking to him and privately saying, gosh, that was a really terrible thing. we don't know why he would do that. we feel terrible about it but they won't say that to the president's face. they'll say that to fauci, publicly. they don't have the guts, either. and that's why they work for the commander in chief. because he has no guts, either. what ever the answer, the administration today put out this picture of dr. fauci at today's task force meeting. they are following ts lead of the president. publicly, again, they pretend everything is fine. so, here, they put ou

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lets navarro stay? toluse: yeah. we have to remember that dr. fauci was here long before president tru and his administration got here. and he likely even though he's 79 years old hlikely will stay for quite a while. because he said in interview this is week he feels like he's efctive and feels libe he's good at his j feels like the country needs his expertise at this moment. and he does not get flustered by some of the attacks some of the political attacks. he's kind of known as a straight shooter. heheets some of things roll off his back. and he's willing to kind of look the public in the face ande say this is truth. this is the science. this is what you need to do. and tere aren'tt many voices around president trump who are willing to say things like tyat if t contradict the president. and i think fauci believes that his eertise and his willingness to be a straight shooter is needed all the more in the age of tru where you have so many people around the agesident who are excusing some of his lan or t

i can't explain peter navarro.s: the white house is now distancing himself from his op-ed, and chief of staff mark meadows is "fully engaged in the matter." pete, when you look at this, is this palace intrigue or is it something else? and it comes really at a bad time because now people are struggling watching numbers burst in areas even outside of hot spots. coronavirus is a focus, it continues to be in our front windshield. it's not behind us. >> pete: dr. fauci said peter navarro is in a world of his own, and that's just not true. there's plenty of room for criticism of the way in which dr. fauci has gone about executing his role. and the advice he has given. read the peter navarro op-ed in "usa today," he points out he was against the decision to close china, he was more skeptical about the virus early on, flip-flopped on the issue of masks, and now he thinks the mortality rate isn't what matters. when you are going back and forth like that, it is hard to provide the kind of guidance to governors that they need

we woke up to this op-ed from peter navarro. clearly, he has personal issues with dr. fauci.he bigger picture here, on the day where we set a record for the number of new cases, the overnight response from the white house, because they clearly sanctioned this letter from peter navarro, is to attack the nation's leading infectious disease doctor. what does this tell you, what's the impact? >> well, john, it's even more than that, right? you've got a new record being set every other day in terms of new numbers of cases. this massive resurgence across the south. right now southern u.s. accounts for about a quarter of the world's cases of covid-19. think about that. just the southern half of the u.s. now accounts for a quarter of the world's cases. and no end in sight. numbers rising dramatically. the institute for health metrics says 224,000 deaths by the end of october, so we're talking roughly about 300,000 deaths, maybe, by the end of the year. that's about almost half the number of people killed in the 1918 flu pandemic that lasted from 1918 to 1920, 1921. so we are in a dir

a white house official tells cnn that mark meadows told navarro to de-escalate, but navarro violated those instructions. meadows has been trying to cool things off. the significance of all of this is that we've had a major amount of palace intrigue here at the white house while the country still has a pandemic to fight. john and alisyn. >> i'll take it, joe. thank you very much for all of that reporting. >>> also break overnight, a major shake up at the top of president trump's campaign. brad parscale is out as campaign manager. he's been demoted after slew of new polling shows president trump trailing joe biden by double digits. cnn's ryan nobles is live in washington with details. so what's the latest? >> reporter: well, alisyn, good morning. this doesn't come as that big as a surprise. brad parscale out replaced by bill stempian, currently serving as the trump campaign's deputy campaign manager. this move comes as a slew of polls show the president trailing vice president joe biden by more than double digits. and it also comes at a time where parscale was given much of the blame f

i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself so i don't even want to go there. >> 137,000 americans have died from coronavirus, cases are rising in 38 states and team trump has been trying to take down the doctor who has repeatedly told americans that this is serious, we must act because people will die. fauci is right. people have been dying. 137,000 of them. he is an expert on infectious disease. he has spent his lifetime on this. he isn't trying to protect his presidency. he's trying to protect living people and americans know it. 65% of voters trust the information they're hearing from dr. fauci. when it comes to the president, only 30% of voters trust what they're hearing from him. the numbers should be higher for fauci. perhaps the only reason they aren't is because the president has tried to say the virus will go away and questioned fauci. maybe that 30-year-old man in texas who said he thought it was all a hoax and didn't realize how wrong he was until it was too late listened to the president

katty: the peter navarro and other efforts to raiseions about his credibility, all of this happening,hony, while cases are rising dramatically around the country. it cannot be helping, right, to be focusing on the politics rather than on the policy and the virus? anthony:t cannote. it is a real challenge for this adminiration and raises concern that the administration does not quite know what message to get out. obviously, donald trump would like to focus on the economy, because he feels like the economic consequen pandemic are high as well as taking a toll onun this y, but dr. anthony found she has been saying from the beginning, you cannot focus on the economy until you get the virus under-- controut dr. anthony fauci has been saying for the beginning you cant focus on the economy into the virus is under control and that it is not right now, and he is puzzled by what the administration d hase in recent days, into questions about the sirens of the timeaid about the severity of the virusn perhaps the need to wear a mask, early on, but he is saying that he right now -- he needs the adm

the trump administration has navarro, saying he was speaking for himself, just this weekend,e they wculating talking points about how anthony found she may not be trusted. -- how dr. anthony fauci may not be trusted. katty: the peter navarro and other efforts to raise questions about his credibility, all of this happening, anthony, while cases are rising dramatically around the coury. it cannot be helping, right, to be focusing onthhe politics than on the policy and the virus? anthony:t cannot be. it isea challenge for this administration and raises concern that the admiotstration doesuite know what message to get out. obviously, donald trump would like to focus on the economy, because he feels like the economic consequences of this ndemic are high as well a taking a toll on this country, but dr. anthony f snd she has being from the beginning, you cannot focus on the economy ustil you get the vnder control -- but dr. anthony fauci has been saying for the beginning you cannot focus on the vonomy into thus is under control and that it is not right now, and he is puzzled by what the adm

peter navarro published a squaiting op ed. he writes, quote, dr. anthony fauci has a good bedside manner with the public, but he has been wrong about everything i have entrak interacted with him on. he lists several examples of what he claims dr. fauci has been incorrect about and says, quote, when you ask me whether i listen to dr. fauci's advice, my

>> i talked to both peter navarro, dr. navarro, dr. fauci and i can say this. listen. we have a lot of people that have a lot of different opinions and when you look at this, it is not appropriate to express your opinion in a op-ed on whether it is deeply held or not and i think navarro understands that. to suggest that everything that dr. fauci said is not correct and i want to highlight one thing. he was in georgetown the other day and he suggested that this virus was worse or as bad as the 1918 flu epidemic. i can tell you that not only is not false, it's irresponsible to suggest. when we all say things and do things that we wish we hadn't done. >> martha: dr. fauci? >> dr. fauci, dr. fauci. >> martha: you said that he said things that are inaccurate in your opinion? >> we all do, my understanding that dr. fauci is walking back and telling the american people that's not accurate and not based on science. that's an excuse what's happening and will be able to figure out how we make sure and make the main priority of the american people going forward. >> martha: other

>>et that is per navarro. i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci.re has never been a time when two candidates were so different. >> all this is president trump is behind in many polls and faces fierce criticism over his own response to the covid-19 and yesterday, what was billed as an official white house news conference quickly morphed into a campaign style event. the president spent 63 minutes, mostly criticizing hne november op joe biden. he mentioned biden by name some 30 times. he hit the former vice president on a range of issues. >> joe biden and president oma freely allowed china to pillage our factories, plunder our communities. to jobs. >> america lost near 10,000 factories while joereiden was vicesident. think of that. 10,000 factories. >> to the paris climate agreement. >> vice president biden was a leading advocate of the paris climate accord, which was unbelievably expensive to our country. >> biden campaign said it was a distraction from what it called president trump's botched response to the coronavirus pandemic. ck the rose garden,

peter navarro attacked the doctor in the op ed. he's been wrong about everything i've interacted with headline. here's major garrett. >> garrett: the communication shop did not "going rogue." this is a public dispute between an economist, peter navarro and a scientist, dr. anthony fauchi. it shows deeper confusion and political division over science when officials tell us that a science is what a pandemic rattled public needs the most. >> dr. anthony fauchi, how do you deal with disinformation, misinformation, some of it coming from the mpgs? >> it's difficult, you know, to give you a twin tiff answer except for the most part, i believe, for the most part, you can trust respected medical authorities. i believe i'm one ofem s i think you can trust me. >> previous. s have. dr. fauchi advised president obama during the ebola crisis. president george l.w. bush called him a personal hero. >> i think dr. fauchi. probably never heard of him. top doctor at national institute of health, working hard on this disease of aids. >> reporter: now

peter navarro wrote when you ask me whether i listened to dr. fauci's advice my answer is only with skepticism and caution. >> i have a very good relationship. that's peter navarro. but i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. >> the white house says navarro didn't go through the normal clearance process for his op- ed. >>> still ahead on kpix 5 and streaming on cbsn bay area. new details on the final moments of george floyd's death as his family launches a new legal battle. how they hope to set a precedent. >>> and a new punishment comes down in the college admissions scandal. a california socialite learns her fate for helping her son cheat his way to a georgetown degree. >>> did ivanka trump violate an et well many people have such a misunderstanding as to how a reverse mortgage works. people think that the bank takes your home, but that is not true. that's absolutely 100% wrong. the home is ours. we can sell it if we want to at any time. i like the flexibility of not having a payment, but i can make the payment if i want to. you're res

fauci distanced himself from navarro's words. >> well, he made a statement representing himself. he shouldn't be doing that. no, i have a very good relationship with anthony. >> reporter: this comes after the white house press office distributed to reporters a document critical of fauci and the deputy chief of staff for communications, dan scavino posted a cartoon mocking fauci on facebook. fauci who continues to serve in the president's coronavirus task force called the attacks bizarre. >> if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. >> reporter: and he pointed out it undermines the government's effort to deal with the pandemic. >> it distracts from what i would hope would be the common effort of getting this thing under control rather than this back and forth distraction which just doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: it also doesn't make any sense to the top republican in the senate who had this to say today. >> what's your level of confidence in dr. fauci at

. >> yeah, i just got a text message from a senior white house aide who notes that peter navarro went rogue and he bypassed the op ed approval process in writing in the nation's largest paper, "usa