in navistar.ost 8 billion dollars, and board did nothing about it, should have you said, don't bother him, we don't want a short-term it. neil: do you think that ceos are behaving better today than when you started almost fourth years ago? >> i think some of them are very good. neil: what is good to you? >> i'm not starting going into say. i have to think about theed if ones, i don't get involved with them too much. neil: how doe they trigger your interest? >> you go, you look at companies, you say, these are under valued, there is an asset in many of them, that asset is management. if you can do something about a bad management you will make a great dial of money, sad part is that, big mutuals are thinking that way, but far from getting involved. and if i share an obligation, the index funds you have to get them moving, if you don't i show how much better you can make the companies. neil: who are you setting your sights on now. >> you know about ebay. i'm not going in and telling you ones that --