i think that's the key lesson in life, nayou have to be able to handle rejection.g day i know when i got this job because i got two jobs after months of trying. and this was, obviously, a blacksmith kind of a job-- dir dirty. and the other one was being a manager of an ice cream store, which was air candidate. you wear a coat and tie and i kind of thought about it. and i said i think i've spent all this-- going to school, i think i'm going to go this route. >> rose: the manufacturing route. >> absolutely. >> rose: what was it like with the company? what did you do? did you come while you were there with the idea that in a sense this core idea that enabled you to do so well? >> well, charlie, i mean, this was a very small place, okay. it had less than 30 employees, and it was like a blacksmith shop owned by a farmer who basically was running it during the summer-- during the winters and in the summers they were farming. and he hired me, you know, to do everything and basically come out of engineering school, you don't know a lot. so i told him, of course, you i'm go