probably very good, he may not have been like that, i don't know, some others there, some others there nazarbayev, but it's literal. it's good that you can tell by him that he was not the creator of independence, he remained sufficiently pro-russian, pro-soviet, and most importantly, a politician all this time and, er, huge, well, after ukraine elected kravchuk. in 1991, in principle, we asked well, the whole trajectory at the end of which, in particular, is this war with russia, for example, this trajectory of 30 years of wandering, not very great successes, three revolutions and now a big war with russia, the fact that ukraine became independent, it happened let's say so, not so, with the help of kravchuk, let's say yes, for his relative neutrality. and he supported him going to russia only when he realized that it was possible to become a local local leader, and also because they were afraid that very bad times would come for the communists, and by the way, kravchuk, who a year before all this said that he never i worship lenin, but it’s so simple with my dad there, he speaks at the people’s r