. >> as happened nazem bam way. >> yeah. >> so and the -- in the longer run, there is also the potential for some of the same discontent that you see. not the property half the end of that racial rule. and there's -- there are extreme forces in south africa, who potentially in the future who called for greater change. >> can i ask you, professor, to reflect on the u.s., and the role in supporting mandela, particularly in the period after his release, and alli was just telling me a story about president clinton. and his thoughts. >> i was on monday at the clinton library, in little rock. and this whole time, what an interesting time, because you saw the other world leaders that are there, and normally there are g eight leaders but he has a very prominent space. and president clinton and president mandela, had a very close personal relationship. you remember the picture of them holding hands. >> nelson mandela couldn't get to the library and up until monday they zillion hold out hope that nelson mandela will get to the library. i will say. >> taken back as far as you want to. in the ragan