sessions raised eyebrows overnight when asked about comparisons of the zero tolerance policy to nazi germany. >> well, it's a real exaggeration, of course. in nazi germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> reporter: now as for the president's meeting with lawmakers tonight, two sources inside the room tell nbc news the president says he's spoke with his daughter ivanka about the images of children on the border and they've discussed how disturbing those images are. lester? >> kristen welker, thank you. >>> this evening there is violent weather firing up across the west. a tornado caught along with heavy rain and hail the size of golf balls near denver. meanwhile, another severe storm hitting the midwest overnight, triggering flash floods and high-water rescues in rockford, illinois. >>> a major threat for millions continuing late into the night and all the way down to texas. al roker now joining us. he's monitoring all. al, what has you most concerned? >> well, lester, right now we are watching these systems stretching from utah all the way to washington, d.c. as we go to the r

making comparisons to nazi germany well i would say that there is a historical analogy and. germany where germany was collapsing in the one nine hundred twenty s. for a whole wide variety of issues but there was that during that time there was the lack of respect in the breakdown of public discourse that's one of the reasons why the nazis was able to come to they were able to come to power and i think that this is a critical moment that that's a history lesson is if you continue down this path yes you could create a very very disturbing future but we're not there yet and i think people need to step back and and all of us here of a like mind policy policy and more policy i'm tired of the emotions go ahead rob. well first of all as a jew i don't like the word nazi thrown around so arbitrarily and easily i think i'll make it clear i think he's despicable i don't like him he demonizes immigrants but that's not the same thing as what took place in nazi germany and i agree with you peter we have to look at things historically it's it's like what happened in iran with the ayatollah

nazi germany. a comparison sessions rejects. >> well, it's a real exaggeration, of course. in nazi germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> reporter: sessions' rationale for family separation is different than dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen's stance. >> we're try children. congress needs to fix it. congress is the one that needs to fix this. >> reporter: the president himself is blaming democrats for family separation. >> i say it's very strongly the democrats' fault. >> reporter: but members of congress and the president's own party are pointing fingers at him. >> the fact is the administration has the authority to fix this immediately without legislation. >> the president has the ability to stop this if he'd like. >> reporter: john mccain calling it an affront to the decently of the american people. adding, the american people have the power to rescind this policy. it should do so now. meantime, here along the border, two sides to the story. manuel padilla jr. is the region's border patrol chief. do you feel like the bad guy in this? you are the ins

. >> nazi germany, concentration camps, laura bush has weighed in. all the first ladies, what is going on here? >> wellreal exaggeration. and nazi germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. this is a serious matter. we need to think it through and be rational about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. >> what do you make of the response. strikes me as odd the only difference he would come up with is that nazi germany was keeping jews into the country. >> the nazis created unjust laws and accused the jews of breaking them and jailed them and shipped them to concentration camp. i found that fairly nonsensecal. gave them permission to put people in concentration camps or in this case in the cages. and so i found that statement bizarre. >> i appreciate you being with us, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> the audio recording of the kids at the border still echoing tonight. here is a brief portion courtesy of pro publica. coming up, i will talk to a civil rights lawyer. and the latest update we have about the little girl asking for her aunt. traveling lighter. t

>> well, a real exaggeration. and nazi germany were keeping the jews from leaving the country. this is a serious matter. we need to think it through and be rational and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. >> what do you make of the response. it struck me as odd that the only difference he would come up with between this policy and nazi germany is that nazi germany was trying to keep jews from leaving the country. >> the nazis created unjust laws and accused the jews of breaking them and jailed them and shipped them to concentration camps. i found that fairly nonsensical. but this is what happened in nazi germany, to some extent. the dehumanization of people, and the creation of unjust laws, gave them permission to put people in concentration camps or in this case in the cages. and so i found that statement bizarre. >> father martin, i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> the audio recording of the kids at the border still echoing tonight across social media.

consequences for him here in germany well there are rules in germany and other european countries it is. forbidden to deny all the whole calls to deny the victims of the nazi era but it is not forbidden to say something what gollum just said he didn't say was no hold of course he didn't say it didn't kill six million jews and he didn't say hitler didn't start the war what he said was in the end that compared to two thousand years of german history the twelve years wouldn't mean very much this is of course is rather version of of of the nazi era this of course is disgusting but probably it won't be a metaphor for a judge but this is obviously not the first time the government is making such statements as it has a history of doing this yes some are going on to become quite and tories for doing stuff stuff like this it's not only him also his party colleagues have become quite an tory is a fault for saying things like for instance one of his one of the needing a few figures is ben tucker and he he has a cold at the holocaust memorial in berlin memorial of shame and not because it remembers us of our shame because he said it's shameful that we have such memori

on the border to nazi, germany and the concentration camps that separate families and the attorney general jeff sessions was asked about that comparison on fox news. here he was. >> welleal exaggeration. of course in nazi, germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. but this is a serious matter. we need to think it through, be rational and thoughtful about it. >> your reaction to that, congressman? >> i think -- the ignorance of history and the ignorance of our times. sessions is drk architect of a lot of this. he bears a lot of responsibility, him and miller in the white house and of course the president and kelly. they bear a huge responsibility for the catastrophe of a human crisis on the border. i think that -- i don't want to make any blanket -- this is just like nazi germany was, but the fact remains that this separation of children, this isolating of children is not a democratic act in the big -- it is not an act this country values and law protect and it is a harbinger of worse things to come unless the american people and congress showing a spine does something about stopping this. >> and also even though the republican governor of maryland,

it's like you guys might as well be in nazi germany, you know, members of the s.s. >> the misinformation that's going out -- >> laura: that's a nice way of putting it. >> i'm trying to be polite. it is frustrating and extremely insulting. a lot is flat-out lies. family separation being policy is a lie. we're leveraging the prosecution, the tools that we have in place for years, leveraging them better than before. and that requires when some one goes to jail they're separated from society, to include their family. the allegations that we would actually put people in dog cages is a lie. >> laura: those images are the temporary processing facilities, right, when you processed in, that's a temporary thing. we keep seeing the cages. like mcallen, texas. those are the cages. but they aren't the long-term holding facilities for children, that's a different scenario. people keep mixing up the images, drives me crazy. >> i couldn't agree more. farther than that, they're looking at chain link fence. the same chain link fence around the school yards, most of the viewers probably send the kids to sc

nazi concentration camps. and last night gave this response. well, it's a real exaggeration. in nazi germanyrom leaving the country. but this is a serious matter, we need to think it through, be rational and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. but people who want economic migration for their personal financial benefit and what they think is their family's benefit, is not a basis for a claim of asylum. well despite the outcry the trump administration is holding firm that these families are trying to enter the country illegally and polls show a majority of republicans agree with them. conservative commentator salena zito knows the president's base better than most. her new book is the great revolt and shejoins us now. thank you for coming in. in the course of writing your book your travel 75,000 miles around the united states. you interviewed 300 trump supporters. what do you think that those supporters would make of this scene with these families? well you have the political implication and you have the personal, how people see this from home so politic

. >> well, it really -- in nazi germany they're keeping the jews from leaving the country, but this is serious matter. we need to think it through, be rationale and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. >> how do you respond to that? >> i agree with the attorney general, this is a serious matter and we need to think our way through it. it's clear to me, don, that the administration did not think its way through the second and third order effects of changing their policy five or six weeks ago. they were unprepared for what happen to the children and then, what the american public would think about what happened to the children. by the way, don, i started at that tweet a long time before i hit send. and what i felt was, the sky's darkening, i've tried to be very patient and understanding about what's been going on for the last couple of years. but i just thought i had to send out a warning flare, to draw attention -- not to say we're nazi, or the president is hitler, or those poor people at the border trying to enforce the law, none of that is true.

consequences for him here in germany well there are rules in germany and other european countries it is forbidden to deny all the. all the calls to to deny the victims of the nazi era but it is not forbidden to say something what gulden just said he didn't say was no holy cause he didn't say it didn't kill six million jews and he didn't say hitler didn't start the war what he said was in the end but compared to two thousand years of german history the twelve years wouldn't mean very much this of course is disgusting but probably it won't be a matter for for judge oh but this is obviously not the first time that allen is making such statements as it has a history of doing this yes alex on the government as has become quite a tory is for doing stuff like this it's not only him also his party colleagues have become quite notorious for saying things like that out on the a of d. we know that this is the strategy they will be know from from the internal paper which we could see just before the last election campaign. of d. wants to gather. publicity tour to this they want they want us the press to report on this breaking the taboo in the end and this is this makes it

>> well, it's a real exaggeration of course. in nazi, germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> look, you know, you don't have to reach for analogies to the nazis to find the policy of the trump administration just absolutely despicable and deplorable. i think it's important to mention, this picks up on what maria was saying, we do have an immigration crisis in this country. we don't have enough immigrants. we have a problem with population growth. notice, we have 3.8% unemployment. when supposedly we are being inundated with these immigrants. immigrants who, in almost every walk of life, contribute to the strength of communities, to the strength of local economies and so on. and of course the trump administration and its demagogue mode is always going to be able to find an immigrant who becomes a criminal or a thief or so on. and paint anecdote as data because they are relying on the stupidity of low bigotries to make this particular argument. but the united states is defined as a country of immigrants who come from bad p

nazis boarded the train between berlin and death sound the problems with right wing extremists started increasing in east germany in the mid one nine hundred eighty s. there were thousands of them well organized they targeted foreign nationals on the train the neo nazis encountered the twenty three year old mozambican manuel diogo he was on his way home to cross rick where he worked in a sawmill. he been visiting his friend a bright e-mail alberto in berlin. homs then a tear in my new you. then they beat up my friend antonio manuel diogo. morgado they beat him up. by me if you think they tied up his feet. you know and then they lowered him slowly. with. head first. until he was chopped up to funk the southeast of the home. the body was found that same night the transport police report said a male torso was found near bonner station the head and legs were cut off by the train wheels the man has dark skin since the dead person is a foreigner the stars he got involved in the investigation a few days later and they remarks look honestly manner while diogo left the train while it was in motion and was run over. there is no evidence of a crime having been committed even ramo alberto lived

you have very nice "fox & friends" hosts saying, well, it's not like nazi germany, they're not beingssed. these people are putting in a higher priority and trying to cover for the president than search for humanity in their own heart. >> i think on the other side of that, you saw congressional republicans and in particular i thought right away senate republicans come to -- >> thank god -- >> -- to a quick consensus something needed to be done and willing to pass legislation on it. so i don't think this is sort of a monolithic critique. >> but to that, there was a sign on the table, and it took days for the senate republican caucus to say something of that matter. >> i think that actually illustrates that feinstein bill has got a tremendous flaw that would prohibit the enforcement of violent criminals. >> and we'll talk about that. we're keeping you guys around. stick around. i just have to take another quick break. the government is calling them, quote, tender age facilities, detention centers for young children under the age of 10. does softening thee ke it any better? stay with us.

well here in germany a far right politician has sparked controversy after dismissing hitler and the nazi era alexander garland the co-leader of the alternative for germany was speaking at a meeting of the party's youth wing take a listen to what he had to say. yes we are committed to our responsibility for the twelve years. but hitler and the nazis are just a speck of bird poop and more than one thousand years of successful german history . alexander galland that while other politicians in gemma's parliament have reacted sharply the general secretary of the social democrats replying on twitter calling galland statement a terrifying minimization of the nazis and now some of the other stories making news around the world. media report in the united states a tech giant google will end a project with the pentagon on using artificial intelligence in the matric maiden project use a i to interpret videos and improve drone targeting google's decision comes after thousands of its employees expressed their opposition. in egypt abdullah fattah el-sisi has been sworn in for a second term as presiden

. >> well, it's a real exaggeration. in nazi germany they were keeping the jews from leaving the country but this is a serious matter. we need to think it through, be rational and thoughtful about it. >> do you agree with him that those comparisons, comparisons made by the lieksz of former first lady laura bush are exaggerations? >> the attorney general needs to defend his own statements and my statements are about what do we need to do to fix this? >> you don't agree with that? >> the attorney general is going to have to defend his own statements. i'm not going to be part of his own discussion, his debate. the debate that i'm in is the one in congress on how do we find a bill that fixes this, the bill the speaker brought forward addresses this and i think it's consistent with, if you go to npr article that lists out where the american public are that's where the solution is and that's the one we're trying to do. >> ted cruz has proposed on this t would mandate the kids stay with their parents, expedite the immigration proceedings that

nazi germany, concentration camps, human rights violation, laura bush has weighed in, michelle obama, all the first ladies going back to eleanor roosevelt. general sessions, what's going on here? >> well, it's a real exaggeration. of course no nazi germany they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> raising eyebrows by somehow trying to find the nuanced argument there. i can tell you that mercedes reiterated, she said those comparisons are exaggerated. >> kristen welker were we have quite a day ahead of us. president trump while kristen was speaking tweeted again as i bring in now from houston natalya, the criminal juts justice reform program director with the texas civil rights projected as well as senior washington correspondent anna palmer and national politico reporter jonathan allen. the president tweeted we must always arrest people coming into our country illegally. and of the 12,000 children currently being detained 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a dangerous trip. only 2,000 are with their parents trying to enter our country illegally. the president has those numbers correct. roughly 10,000 of these kids are unaccompanied minors, they cross the border wi

nazi germany concentration camps, human rights violations. laura bush has weighed in. michelle obama, rosalynn carter. you have all of the first ladies going back to eleanor roosevelt. she has apparently weighed in as well. general sessions, what's going on here? >> it's a real exaggeration. in nazi germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country, but this is a serious matter. we need to think it through, the rational and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. people who want economic migration for their personal financial benefit and what they think is their families benefit is not a basis for a claim of asylum. but they can make that claim. we will process it. and i will review the situation and make a decision. i those children, if the parent brings them across the border in an unlawful area and the parent is deported, they will take the children home with them. that is true. if the parent claims asylum and is allowed to stay here, than the children stay here also.il health and human services takes custody. >> laura: general sessions, is this policy in part used as a deterrent? are you trying to deter people from bringing children or minors across thi

well staying in germany and president. asked gay people for forgiveness for decades of suffering and injustice in germany in the nazi era and off to world to he spoke at a ceremony marking the persecution of gay people and out of hitler but he also condemned anti-gay knows that remained in place in post-war germany and led to thousands of persecutions. well there the students who raised their voices off to a mass shooting killed seventeen people at their florida high school in february now as the scene is marjory stoneman douglas high school is set to graduate they are looking ahead to their future is while mourning those who can't do the same and the nationwide movement that that they survive is inspired district to gun control in the united states but it shows no signs of slowing down thousands rallied across the country on saturday which was national gun awareness day our correspondent alexander fun and naaman reports from that march in new york. poor among contreras this march is a personal issue together with his friends and other extremist the ninety year old student organized this event managed to address school shoo

had during the war, and you could pipe back and say, well, in 1942 these neutral nations, nazi germany offered them jews of their nationality if they would take them in, and the neutral nations said no. the war refugee board could have stoppedded that. and i would say that's a good point, maybe it should have been established earlier. so i think what the book gives you is a lot of places to poke in on this history and to say, you know, they're trying stuff now, i wonder what would have happened had they done this earlier or late err. i -- later. i mean, one of the things the board shuts down in september 1945 when there are two million displaced persons in europe, when there are people in displaced person camps, when jews have just come out of hiding or been liberated to then close an agency that has so many fingers in enemy territory and is, you know, has this whole humanitarian aid network, what would have happened had they kept going. what would happen if we tried to establish something like this now. are all of these bases being covered by the different agencies that have come up s

well you know i mean i agree that that sort of language is thoroughly on except the anyone who knows anything about russian history would find those remarks. referring to nazi germany and comparing washington also germany is just beyond the pale and i i think really that those ministers should be reined in and that sort of language is not acceptable what i think it's all about it's the it's a political posturing and you have boris johnson and we the the the the defense secretary posturing really trying to put themselves. at the head of the party in the public limelight and i think really that's what it's about when it comes to foreign sector in the different defense sector it's about political posturing rather than anything else. so you're saying while ukase adopting a confrontational stance talking tough and gathering backers against moscow some of its allies like italy adopting a more pragmatic strategy comfort on one issue cooperation and other like in the middle east for instance is the united kingdom shutting itself out of solutions to global problems by antagonizing the russians to the point of not being able to work with them at all on anything it will on mu

nazis are just a speck of bird poop and more than one thousand years of successful german history . well the comments from the a.s.d.f. cody to alexander gallant of spock's must've control the sea here in germany and political correspondent the devout is with me now in this studio. bring us up to date with some of the reaction that's been coming in to these comments and op for the house to be very strong stuff that alex on the golan said today and we have heard reactions from leading figures of all parties in parliament and the german possible news talk one of the first to react most of the secretary general of the c.d.u. uncle americal conservative party under great come combo and she said fifty million wake timbs of the holocaust and total war are just bird poop for the a fifty and gold and this is the party's true nature revealed behind its middle class respectability and we also called then from a partners from the social democratic party there the secretary general last clean told me that alexander gulen statements have revealed what lies behind the fifty's to say this is a terrifying minimization of the nazi era it's shameful that people like him on the german bunds talk and we also talk

nazi germany serve as a cautionary example. the right and philosopher one of and coined the phrase the banality of evil well covering the trial in one hundred sixty one of the two of you was instrumental in organizing the holocaust people like iceman she said blindly executed orders without questioning them. does that mean ordinary people who are just doing their job can be induced to play a role in a process of human and i laid. in the same year as the iseman trial yale university conducted a groundbreaking experiment. psychologist stanley milgram involved three people a learner a teacher and their research at. the learner was assigned tasks if he made a mistake the teacher was told to punish him by ministering electric shocks. the level of shock increased every time the learner made a mistake. and all that maybe pain in your. milgram wanted to look deeper into a common explanation for the nazis genocides that germans are particularly ability into figures of authority. so. professor i'm to b.s. my linton back explains the theory behind it. was fought on once to discus one of there was a lot of discussion at the time about wheth

well you know i mean i agree that language is totally unacceptable and anyone who knows anything about russian history would find those remarks particularly. referring to nazi germany and comparing washington also germany is just beyond the pale and i i think really that those ministers should be reined in sort of language is not acceptable what i think it's all about it's the it's a political posturing and you have boris johnson and we need to the. defense secretary posturing really trying to put themselves. at the head of the party in the public limelight and i think really that's what it's about when it comes to the farm sector in the different defense sector it's a political posturing role than anything else. so you're saying while u.k.'s adopting a confrontational stance talking tough and gathering backers against moscow some of its allies like italy adopting a more pragmatic strategy confirmation on one issue cooperation and other like in the middle east for instance is the united kingdom shutting itself out of solutions to global problems by antagonizing the russians to the point of not being able to work with them at all on anything it will on mutually bene

in nazi germany they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> i'm not sure what he's trying to say there. >> yeah. wellfirst of all, the joke about eleanor roosevelt, i don't really get. it's not something to joke about. when you have the attorney general having to differentiate your administration's family separation policy from hitler's family separation policy, that just speaks to what a problem the administration is in in terms of the public outcry to say nothing of the humanitarian crisis. it's such a different world when you go inside the doors of the white house right now, there's not that crisis atmosphere. surely they're trying to deal with how to manage this story and manage the implementation of this policy down at the border. but there's not a feeling this is a huge problem they need to deal with and it frankly feels different than some of the other crises this president's been through, and there have been many of them. >> when laura wye -- you got so reporting inside the dynamic with john kelly and secretary nielson. take us inside what you're reporting. white house chief of staff john kel

this goes all the way back as you well know very far in the history of this country. it is also what happened in nazi germanyese inn turnment and people on both sides of the aisle have been making this case, laura bush on the internment and michael haden saying these were the conditions in the '30s that led to what happened in the '40s. so i think we have to be very, very concerned about what's happening and, you know, that is the -- that's the issue. >> absolutely. we know that you will be a part of the big protest next weekend. we will be in d.c. for that. hopefully you will be available to come back on again. we want to talk to you more about this. thank you so much congresswoman. >> thank you so much. >>> and next up, defending free speech in the trump era. don't go away. we're not on an island anymore. [ roaring ] what could go wrong? you good? yeah, you? [ roaring ] [ screaming ] nope. rated pg-13. and i heard that my cousin's so, wife's sister's husband was a lawyer, so i called him. but he never called me back! if your cousin's wife's sister's husband isn't a lawyer, call legalzoom and we'll connect

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well, maybe i won't do this. >> then you can answer, say what want to say on the other side. attorney general jeff sessions asked about comparisons to this policy and nazi germanyermany, concentration camps, human rights rye vagviol you have all the first ladies who have weighed in. what's going on here? >> it's a real exaggeration. in nazi germany they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. this is a serious matter. we need to think it through, be rational and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. >> angela? >> first of all, this is no l laughing matter, particularly from the attorney general who is responsible for enforcing laws throughout this country. no, these children are not ms-13. i want to address your point about the democrats need to rally the votes. i'm trying to figure out had the democrat became the majority in the senate and the house. >> i hate to explain rudimentary procedure to you. >> i'm going to tell you what. you don't ever have to explain anything rudimentary to me. be very clear. >> then you know. >> what i'm telling you is you should know that they have more than enough votes to do what the

nazi germany, con seas conc camps. we've got all the first ladies, weighed in. general sessions, what's going on here? >> wellgermany they were keeping the jews from looefrzieaving the co. >> and someone who has heard firsthand of the parents who have been separated from their children. ann chandler is the executive direct or of the houston office of the nonprofit that advocates for immigrant men, women and children. and allet me begin with you. we read some of your comments from the texas monthly piece yesterday here on our show and just wanted to get your sense of what you've seen firsthand down along the border. >> yes, what i've seen is quite disgusting. you know, it is the forced separation as you've articulated of the children from the parents and what that look like is really different depending on the tactics used, but we've had situations where the government officials are quite blatant and say we're going to take your child from you and when the children scream or cry and the parents ask, may i console my child the answer has been no. we heard from one mother who described it was the first time that

nazi germany, okay? in other words it's going to be winter in the grocery business and be rough because kroger and these people had a chance to answer if you notice kroger's report, they are doing wellnderstand is you're running a revenue growth stream, nothing's more attractive than analysts with nothing left to do but raise price targets to open up another potential stream now, there are no plans to make any money in either stream, and the profit margins in the grocery business are tiny. >> i'll argue that it's possible that this is a brilliant move for amazon, and they need to access that huge pool of revenue out there in this market, and the stocks of the incumbents like walgreens got punished too much they are big enough for the things to be true, and the speed in which you have to scale this thing for it to really start to infect numbers, the issue in the analogy with retail makes sense last year, but the difference is you also got a tail wind from the consumer in the back half of the year, early part of this year >> yes >> nothing's going to necessarily artificially or come along to boost health care >> amazon bought whole foods because there's beta tests ongoing fresh died f

well you know i mean i agree that that sort of language is totally unacceptable and anyone who knows anything about russian history would find those remarks particularly. referring to nazi germany and comparing washington also germany is just beyond the pale and i i think really that those ministers should be reined in sort of language is not acceptable what i think it's all a buyer to say it's a political posturing and you have boris johnson the government we the the the the defense secretary posturing really trying to put themselves. at the head of the party in the public limelight and i think really that's what it's about when it comes to the farm sector in the different defense sector it's a political posturing role than anything else. so you're saying while ukase adopting a confrontational stance talking tough and gathering backers against moscow some of its allies like italy adopting a more pragmatic strategy comfort on one issue cooperation and other like in the middle east for instance is the united kingdom shutting itself out of solutions to global problems by antagonizing the russians to the point of not being able to work with them at all on anything it will on mutua