and naziha ali is a freelance journalist and documentary filmmaker in karachi who's written widely on militant organizations. i spoke to them at the institute for inclusive security, a nonprofit group that promotes the role of women in conflict zones. they began by describing what it's like to live in the midst of so much violence. >> the violence there is of all kinds-- ethnic violence, sectarian violence, political violence. and i know there are... there are many people who will not step out of their homes every day before checking the news because they don't know where, what is happening where. so it impacts our lives in a very, very profound way on a daily level. >> imagine you mt a person in the morning, and the news you get in the afternoon is that he's no more. so, of course, it's fearful, it's a really uncertain situation. >> warner: i want to ask you both from... you both are doing very interesting, different things. from where you sit and from what you do, what do you think is fueling this? >> there are many, but we can say that it has been... it's the way the curriculum is