if you look at the rise of naziism, did you see some parallels? >> yeah. >> charlie: there is something that's growing and all of a sudden we're going to wake up and it's much more powerful. >> yeah. i do, to a degree. i mean, so naziism went on for you know, the better part of 15 years, really. you go back, to you know, a degree, the -- >> charlie: post-world war i. yeah. so rise was in '33 and then, of course, when we defeated them. >> charlie: we're saying it's a parallel. >> it's a deeply-held ideology. if the united states of america didn't get themselves involved in world war ii and do what we did for europe, frankly when we did it, today, had the nazis won, had hitler won there would be people praying at the altar of naziism today. and whatever that would become. because that was such a vile -- as i mentioned the nazis -- as we say, the muslims are killing mostly muslims. that's true. the nazis killed an awful lot of german citizens. so the direction -- >> charlie: a especially those that oppose them. >> yes. so the three sort of big cycles

naziism, we basically crushed them through military means. and there was some other minor things that we did. i mean i don't want to be too generalizing on the minor side but we crushed them through military means. when you look at the political ideology of communism that took us four years, we actually defeated that through both a combination of thinking and other actions that -- where were the communism raised its ugly head we were going to strike at we used military, intelligence and different things. but it was a combination of strength and imagination. today, we're trying to defeat this ideology, this religious ideology with military means. that's my sense. and i think people think -- we're striking this. >> boots on the ground in iraq and syria. wherever they come from boots on the ground. >> there's other things happening. but this ideology, the only way to defeat it is by really, really stretching our imagination and starting to think about how is it -- first, why is it? so when you talk about like grand strategy when somebody says wh

look the general rule of thumb in politics don't say something is like naziism or adolph hitler, naziisms like naziism, there's nothing else like it. don't compare even though it was obviously a seminole moment in his life don't compare 100,000 protesters at the wisconsin state capitol over collective bargaining rights to the beheadings and burnings of people by isis. it's just -- it falls down that comparison, never will work. reasonable people will say understand what you were going for but you didn't get. his spokesperson saying he wasn't equating those two directly. >> chris, it underscores the growing pains from being a governor to getting used to being on the national stage. >> just being a governor scott walker is a high profile governor. not like he was the governor of idaho and no one heard of him before he emerged. he has been in the national spotlight with the recall election and those sort of things, it's a different stage. say to people not like going from one to two but 1 to 100 going for statewide office. the attention on you, how your statements are looked through, looks

and in that sense, it is akin to naziism. that was a racial supremeacist.y who is not islamic in their understanding is to be either enslaved or eradicated. this is a genocidal movement. you kill christians you kill jews yazidis but you may in certain circumstances enslave them. that's what we're up against. and we have an administration that will not admit that there's a religious basis underlying what's going on. >> you mentioned naziism. i want to play a bite from early today. walid farris said this on that point. >> this is genocide l in nature. they are threatening to kill more and more of these in libya and possibly inside egyptian. we're seeing a kind of jihadi genocidal action like we've never seen before. >> charles is right and that gentleman is quite right. ronald reagan thought the ethos of the 1970s involvement semantic disarmament. that we were no longer able to talk crisply about what was going on. so he remoralized the cold war by saying it was an evil empire and the focus of evil in the modern world. people were horrified but he did it deli

many of the images of world war ii fascism and naziism the atrocities of world war ii, all of this has been evoked in the conflict in ukraine. there were so many competing analyses about what is going on here. and against this backdrop -- i'm getting a bit of feedback here. can you still hear? as clifford said it's very important to understand the kind of person that you're dealing with and why should we fix so much on -- [inaudible] why so much of an obsession with putin? the russian system in the last few years has become up much more -- [inaudible] you had a communist party, you had a politboro, you had all kinds of constitutional which cans and balances. putin decides to come back to the presidency in 2011, he made the announcement -- [inaudible] and it's all from an arrangement he had with dmitri dmitry medvedev who was the president at the tomb. he pretty much said all of the future of russia, the politics would be in the hands of -- [inaudible] so that's why we spent so much time focusing on putin himself. so the misconceptions putin had become a fixation also for the u.s. gover

you've been comparing night after night this movement to naziism. look, the nazis were trying to establish the master race. islamists are trying to establish the master faith. we better wake up and realize what's going on here. >> all right pastor, thanks. as always, directly ahead. >>> a charity controversy surrounding actress eva longoria is getting pretty nasty. >>> later the president says 99.9% of muslims all over the world reject the jihad. but survey data contradicts that. we'll give you the numbers up ahead. you know... ...there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious... and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. mmmm these are good! the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. what's that thing? i moved our old security system out here to see if it could monitor the front yard. why don't you switch to xfinity home? i get live video monitoring and 24/7 professional monitoring that i can arm and disarm from anywhere. hear ye! the awkward teenage one has arrived!!!! don't be old fashi

he threw an inappropriate sign denoting a praise of naziism and promoting that type of racist behaviorttitude that we will not tolerate here. if we let our guard down for one moment and we stop observing and interacting, tension can rise, and we could have a very volatile situation here. >> oh, you can feel it. it's like electricity in the air. it's so thick you can actually breathe in the tension. and when that happens, you know, you want to put yourself against the wall or put somebody behind you that you can trust or just stay off in a corner. >> in the blink of an eye, that much time, it can change. that's why our staff is out here watching, interacting, and monitoring the attitudes and the temperature gauge, you might say, of this yard and institution because there is a real threat that an attitude or temper can change in just a moment. >> and tempers did flare while msnbc's cameras were in the yard. >> well, we had two northern mexicans jump on another northern mexican. it all stemmed over a disrespect issue. yesterday they beat him up over here in front of the yard shack. the gu

. >> he's not proud of world war ii and america beating back fascism and imperial japan and naziism andng on the moon. how do you analyze that? >> many of us are proud of you who we are as a nation, what we've done, what we stand for. we recognize that there are things we can do better but there's a huge difference between being proud of our country and being only proud of our country changes. i'm proud of our country and i want to work for change in a positive direction. rudy giuliani used some words that he regrets and he really has. but he does have these constant messages coming from the president that he doesn't seem be to be proud of the country we now live in only the one we could become if we became more like europe. if we were like france, we would all be speaking german. the fact is america has stood up time zp time again. this president's challenge is to stand up to the tyranny of islamic terrorists that if we don't, we'll go the way of so many nations who failed to meet the last challenge and that last challenge has come from people who have distorted a religion from their o

big -- if you look at the world war ii and the battle battle against fa csicsfa csifa csi sm and naziism and multilevel threat. if we don't put a strategy in place to take care of it now we'll have to deal with it in much worse circumstances down the line. one of the things really striking about the document i think its dishonesty on some of the key issues it's not expressing what our actual policy is. on iran, for instance, it's very thin. on syria. >> about to give them free reign, money, nukes go right ahead. go for it. that's a squared plus b squared equals c squared. radical islamists with weapons of mass destruction, that's almost certain destruction and a holocaust potentially in our time. >> that's right. and you know they're saying though, they're actually stopping iran. the "washington post" gave that claim they're halting the iranian nuclear program three pin folk pinocchios. >> which means if they're wrong we could suffer a holocaust in our time thanks for being with us. i appreciate it. >>> we need your help. a question of the day and it's about the president and the prayer

the point i'm making not knowing what communism is naziism is that's more like the position that we're in right now. knowing the ideology allows us to separate and address things one by one. >> peter, if they are -- if isis is such a threat to so many other muslims and middle easterners why not let them take on the struggle? >> i think another very different database, how much of a threat this is. that's another issue you've seen obama take a different position than many of his republican critics. i don't think obama thinks isis is a potential real threat but i don't think he thinks it's as great a threat as al qaeda was the day before september 11th so i think obama's calculation about the amount of power he's willing to expend in fighting it is different. if you really believe isis was as great of a threat as many republican presidential hopefuls are saying we should be sending ground troops. i don't think the evidence is at this point that they are. that's why i think the u.s. should be doing what it's doing. maybe it could be doing it more effectively. we're providing air power and

this is modern day naziism in our time. torture, beheading crucifixion stoning victims, now burning victims victims. now we're talking about sex trafficking and everything in between. >> it just boggles the mind. radical islamic terrorism right there in front of our eyes. >> okay. thanks, eric shawn for that report. appreciate it. we go now to shepard smith standing by on the ground in amman, jordan tonight. shep, what's the latest down there? >> man, it's hard to hear that stuff. i was reading that u.n. report today, sean. it makes you wonder if those sorts of reports and what happened here in jordan might be able to tie this part of the world together more closely. i really think at least in the 24, 48 hours since this news has developed so quickly here that that's been the effect in jordan. the killing of the two prisoners of war here in jordan, the united nations didn't respond to that in any way, the king was greeted with open arms when he came back to the united states this morning after the two prisoners had been kil

emphasis on terrorism which is out of proportion in the end compared to the strategic threats of naziism or communism, it's a minor issue. i think he thinks that and thus, he is rather -- i think he is internally plays said about all of this joining us with reaction. the executive director for the foundation of defense of democracy and here in the studio, counter terrorism analyst and fox news contributor lisa so lisa, clapper says it's been the worst year ever. kerry thinks it's no big deal. who do you trust the head of national intel or a guy who cries while james taylor serenades the french? i believe isis when they tell us that they are serious about the creation of an islamic state. you know who else we should believe? the headlines, the intel our eyes when we are looking at the islamic state go about creating this state, doubling land despite the coalition strike. going after the wholesale genocide of christians. bun by one we are watching the headlines watching day by day the situation is getting worse and then the talking points from the white house podium are now conflicting, i

you have been comparing night after night this movement to naziism.k, the nazis were trying to establish the master race. islamists are trying to establish the master faith. we better wake up and realize what's going on here. >> all right pastor, thanks as always. directly ahead a charity controversy surrounding actress ava longoria is getting pretty nasty. then later the president says 99.9% of muslims all over the world reject the jihad. but survey data contradicts that. we will give you the numbers ] up ahead. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. ♪ nexium 24hr. it's the purple pill. the #1 prescribed acid blocking brand. available without a prescription for frequent heartburn. get complete protection. nexium level protectiontm. we live in a pick and choose world. (hi!) choose (hello!) choose choose. but at bedtime? ...why settle for this? enter sleep number and the ultimate sleep number event, going on now. sleepiq technology tells you how well you slept and what a

butting emphasis on terrorism which is out of proportion compared to the strategic threat he was naziismnism, a minor issue, i think he thinks that and thus he rather -- i think internally placid about all of this, where americans are not only agitated and upset but actually angered by the way americans and others christians and others are treated abroad. so i think we have a both who believes that stuff and that's not spin. that, i think, is worse. >> josh earnest was breasted about this in the briefing room today, the different me alps from clapper and kerry. how could secretary kerry make the claim to the american people and the world that we were safer than we were before? >> i think he could do so with the evidence on his side. what he was able to testimony bhon straight and i think what he was discussing is the success that our bill tary campaign has had in applying significant pressure to the isis leadership that pressure has been applied and reduced the ability of isil to expand their rein of terror. isil continues to be dangerous. >> what was said there? put clapper's soundbite

emphasis on terrorism which is out of proportion in the end compared to the strategic threats of naziism or communism, it's a minor issue. i think he thinks that and thus, he is rather -- i think he is internally plays said about all of this joining us with reaction. the executive director for the foundation of defense of democracy and here in the studio, counter terrorism analyst and fox news contributor lisa so lisa, clapper says it's been the worst year ever. kerry thinks it's no big deal. who do you trust the head of national intel or a guy who cries while james taylor serenades the french? i believe isis when they tell us that they are serious about the creation of an islamic state. you know who else we should believe? the headlines, the intel our eyes when we are looking at the islamic state go about creating this state, doubling land despite the coalition strike. going after the wholesale genocide of christians. bun by one we are watching the headlines watching day by day the situation is getting worse and then the talking points from the white house podium are now conflicting, i

if you thought it was a century of great political struggles against communism against naziism, fascismthen you have people like franklin roosevelt and winston churchill who stand up. also a century of civil rights, where women and blacks and colonial people all get their own individual rights, and then gandhi or martin luther king as far as that. and finally, you think it as century in which science and technology took us to the moon and everything else. einstein to me, his fingerprints are on it. we ended 'going with einstein, and one thing that sort of in some ways cut against structure as much as i admire him-he was on he wrong side of history when it came to colonial rights when it came to the rights of everything from blacks and women and his clash with gandhi was legion and in the end, the side of history was towards more individual and civil rights and empowerment, and churchill, who was ahead of every game when it came to fighting communism, fighting naziism, he is sort of caught behind on that one. so when we look at history, we admire the strength of great people but we also

the same way naziism was, in world war ii, the same way communism was during the cold war.e strategy statement the other day susan rice said exactly the opposite. >> that is why they're wrong and that is why these are going to continue, unless we have a multipronged plan that brings all aspects of american leadership and power to bear. number one the united states, stand up and lead. none of the leading from behind. we're now leading from the front. have an economic component to this. isis gets money from someplace. is it from gulf arab countries? from wealthy families in the region? cut the family off and have consequences for anybody that allows that to happen. have idealogical component. the president of egypt stand up in the equivalent of egypt in the muslim world's vatican said to leaders of their religion. you buys have to fix this. you have tolerated violent radical islam. have to change. endorse him to do that. when people say like the president, well we don't want boots on the ground or don't want another middle east war. no, but you know what we want? if we put bo

naziism was on this continent. there is a consensus on these laws generally. so nobody thinks seriously that in france we're going to have laws prohibiting or limiting the way you can draw mohammed or mock such religion or the other one. i don't think this is being considered at this stage. what may happen and what is already happening i think is that we all be a bit more cautious. we already saw that in 2006 when those cartoons were first published in denmark. we had this debate about whether we should reprint them. we decided to reprint two of them. there were 12, and we choose them we decided we could not not publish them at all but we did not want to publish the most offensive ones. some of them had -- were uninteresting. that is the kind of role. other papers decided not to print any of them because they were afraid or because they thought it was a bad idea. we had this debate in the western press. media took a different road from the one we took in europe. some papers decided not to publish them. the guardian had a lengthy discussion and debate at the ed

they remember naziism. islamism is simile totalitarian.t seeks to control the lives and regulations of individuals -- >> absolutely. >> -- in total control and must manufacture a cosmic enemy at its center which is usually anti-semitism. that's true of nazi totalitarianism and it's true of islamist totalitarianism. >> the game they're playing, it is a game because at the end of the day picking what words to use politically is about how to position yourself how to make sure you don't expose yourself to enough criticism but it's having the reverse effect. part of it is that all these words sound the same. islam, islamic, islamist islamism. people hear them. they say they're the same thing. i get that there are distinctions. what is wrong with saying this is radical extremist islam? it is islam. they believe it is whether you want to disagree with it or not as a muslim yourself? >> that's a great and brave question. certainly when we're having this conversation in our living rooms it is reasonable to say the actions of boko haram or isis repr

evil and danger that america and the western world faced in the early 1930's in the late 1920's when naziism and fascism raised its ugly head. and what happened? during that time period, had we been able to deal, and the western allies dealt with adolf hitler perhaps there would not have been this huge world war ii which took the lives of hundreds of millions of people. but they did not deal with that. as ronald reagan dealt with communism when he became president and hitler and the fascist threat, eventually with their aggression, put the free world and those other people who sought a better world in such a spot that war was erupted and world war ii, that great con florida ration, happened -- con flag ration happened. it was avoidable. today we faced a similar threat. we face an evil that is every bit as dangerous as what was faced by reagan. and faced before world war ii. it's a radical islamic philosophy that will slaughter people in the west without thinking twice about it. or what's even worse, is slaughter people in great numbers in the west after strategizing of how to do it more effe

germany was a seat of naziism. to do. the white house has no idea how to respond. syria, libya, iraq, all of them in much worse shape than they were when obama took the presidency. their new response is to down play it. don't judge the atrocities, because christians, you've done worse during the crusade and media, you're just making this into a bigger deal. >> if we're not supposed to be alarmed when people are getting their heads cut off and people are being burned to death, what should we be alarmed about? >> susan rice should be embarrassed to stand up and say the things she did. just because this isn't the same sized threat as the nazis or soviet union, we shouldn't be worried about it? it's still a big threat and we need to deal with it and this administration is not doing it. >> read our minds. he wanted to jump in and make that comment on that. >> it worked. >> the president, white house, also this week having to defend the president's comments from that thursday prayer breakfast speech that the president ga

thing there is that in two months, will be the 070th anniversary of the death of adolf hitler and yet naziismhe united states and in europe still, and that's without benefit of the nazis did not have the internet and hitler wrote one lousy book compared to what we're facing with other groups. in the modern era these new groups, domestic and international, are using the internet are using their connections and their ability to communicate and find followers through mass media and social media and that makes them increasingly dangerous now. >> and mark your center has been studying homegrown terrorism for a very long time. keeping track of supplying the information to the federal government. the department of homeland security classifying the threat from sovereign citizen groups that's how they're classifying it equal to a greater than threats from foreign groups. is that in sync with what the southern poverty center has been observed over the years or a new discovery? >> well i mean i'm not -- comparison are a little bit inindividuals you. i mean, you know al qaeda murdered 3,000 americans in