and you see from the fisa court opinions that have come out and you see judge bates going through ncts and back down through a level of detail. is there any value of having a sort of independent technology component to advise the court for example? >> well, i mean there -- by the way, the government does advise the court. it has been suggested by the way, if there were an adversary process here, that in some way the government would be less forthcoming in what it told the court. i am actually shocked by that argument. i don't accept it. i think it's sort of -- judges would say, we won't hear that argument. i don't believe it. and if it were true, it would be sanctionable and at worse if any government agency were -- were caught being less than forthcoming with the fisa court because there is an adversary present. i can't really accept that argument. but as to whether there should be a special agency to advice the court, well they have a staff. they are being advised by the government. and that is what an adversary is for. that is why we should have an adversary. the fisa court is not a