houston and we were able to raise more money than anybody else did, any other community, nd bill clinton wanted us to have as his thing, one million people -- major thing i'm a one million people -- major thing, one million people in america. senator chuck grassley wanted to have zero. >> let's compromise at half of a million. >> there was a meeting in washington, d.c., with three -- two senators and three representatives and people from two other communities who ran americorps in those cities. we said ok, let's go for the one million, and they said where will you get the money? i am going to shorten this discussion. that was pretty much the end of the process and bill clinton wanted it really badly. he wanted it to be one of the things we remember him for, so how are we going to pay for -- in those days we were only paying about $7,500 to each of what we called volunteers. chuck grassley did not call them volunteers because they got 7,500. >> i think it is the right question, and if you look back on the session it is something that needs to be worked out -- how much more public money are we willi