one way to that is ndaa, that vehicle, bite sized chunks of legislation that can be put into the ndaa bill and have real meaning. to start with sticky, is the foundation approach to what we need to start doing on critical infrastructure. start with that and build upon it slowly. if you try to do everything at once and don't take the incremental approach, there will be more divergence of opinion but generally speaking, if we are all on the same page. one of the best examples is we all agree that cisa needs to be a $5 billion agency in the next years. looking at the long-term needs, they need to be beefed up significantly. we all agreed. there is a lot of areas where we agreed we will continue to agree going forward. i'm not trying to blow 80 smoke to my friend but having good leaders at cisa we have good leaders that are collaborative minded and that can be important. when we see them doing that, we do better ourselves. >> it's not fair when you answer my next question before i can ask it. i will try to salvage it stop people want to know your views on resources for cisa also want to k

so just like last year with the ndaa issues we put in language to make sure the department of defenseent to the issue of renaming the assets for confederate generals and officers. this is very similar to let them know congress is serious. >> also let me add on the whole government approach mentioning at least twice the national strategy the biden administration published to counter domestic extremism puts a huge premium more focused somewhere priority on the whole of governmentho approach not just the department of defense or the department of justice patrolman insecurity and veterans affairs. quite frankly health and human services where if you underlying the causes of seextremism behavior and ideology and then it really takes a whole of government approach the federal government working with the tribal governments and with international partners and while we are talking about domestic areas of extremism that is originating we do have transnational affiliation think of the rising right-wing factions in germany and in austria just tod name two countriese in europe it is a whole govern

anti-kleptocracy bills were recently included, bipartisan bills, included in the house a version of the ndaaso we have to see that continue on the senate side. but yeah, these pieces of legislation are moving. host: sean in ohio, a republican. you are on with josh rudolph. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. i have a question when it comes to, when you happened to do the research of these papers, you mentioned trump's old house. has anything come up about the stuff with the bidens or soros, or with hunter biden, you know, his history and the millions in china? has anything looked into that? same on the republican side, the american oligarchs with their money getting involved? guest: a great question, and i appreciate the way that you are asking it, asking about both sides and asking it as a genuine question. it's important to know. it's important to live in a country when we are asking questions, not just accusing the other side. one of the reasons why data leaks and careful investigations like the "pandora papers" are important, is because we do not want our political discourse to be

also thank you for the work you did on the ndaa, it's so critically important. i think in general we have had for some time now a breakdown in sharing of information between the fbi on evidence they have about veterans and extremist groups and other agencies generally. and that's already in the public domain and i think that needs to stop. there's also a general failure for various cases can for example, around sharing of information between the national guard and the department of defense in general, and we just the whole data situation needs are really hard look at what data is being collected, what it tells us, how it is being shared in the appropriate ways and i think this is actually really serious issue because without good data and this was brought up in the prior panel we don't really know exactly what it is we're looking at. >> i guess a quick follow-up, how useful would be for the fbi to have a formal list for domestic violence extremist organizations as it does for international base groups? >> thanks again for the question. i had to say i had some re

>> i believe in the house version of the ndaa there are deadlines on the report in march or april and those may pushed back because it hasn't passed yet. we will start reporting as soon as we get the information. it also depends, really depends on how much we get access to a lot of this stuff. i set up the teams and this is all we are working on step we have a couple of more audits we are finishing but that's all we are irking on full blast. i'm hoping we will start releasing stuff as soon as we can put together and analyze it step there is a lot of allegations out there and i am want to clarify one thing stuff there are allegations that some senior officials including presidentghani walked up with $5 million. these are allegations that we been asked to look at all step we have to determine and you know how difficult it is to determine was truth and fiction in afghanistan, we have to determine that. because congress has asked us to do it. give us time and give his support. we have to get access to that data in get access to those people. we have to see what we can do to answer all the

sopko: i believe in the house version of the ndaa there are deadlines to report, march or april.hose may be pushed back, but we will start reporting as soon as we get the information. it often depends, really depends on how much we get access to a lot of the stuff. i set up the teams and this is all we are working on. this is all we are working on full blast, but i am hoping we will start releasing stuff as soon as we can put together and analyze it. remember, there are a lot of allegations out there and i want to clarify one thing. there are allegations that some senior officials including president ghani walked off with $500 million. we have to determine, and you know how difficult it is in afghanistan to determine truth and fiction, we have got to determine that, because congress has asked us to do it. give us time, and also give a support, you know? we have got to get access to that data. we have got to get access to those people to talk to and to see what we can do to answer all of the questions. >> thanks for doing this. i am james with abc news. i went to drill down on one

even the ndaa is stuck in limbo. the defense authorization bill is our most basic opportunity to shape security policy. it is a core duty for the senate majority, the bare minimum. but democrats have completely neglected the ndaa and the traditional robust and real floor process that it will need. they're too busy debating how much socialism to unleash on the country, to look out for our troops, our veterans, and our national security. this unseriousness will leave americans less safe. it's just that simple. the presiding officer: morning business is closed. under the previous order, the senate will proceed to executive session and resume consideration of the following nomination which the clerk will report. the clerk: nomination, the judiciary, omar antonio williams of connecticut to be united states district judge for the district of connecticut. a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. murphy: thank you, mr. president. i come to the floor today to seek unanimous consent to

>> i believe in the house version of the ndaa there are deadlines on the report in march or april and those may pushed back because it hasn't passed yet. we will start reporting as soon as we get the information. it also depends, really depends on how much we get access to a lot of this stuff. i set up the teams and this is all we are working on step we have a couple of more audits we are finishing but that's all we are irking on full blast. i'm hoping we will start releasing stuff as soon as we can put together and analyze it step there is a lot of allegations out there and i am want to clarify one thing stuff there are allegations that some senior officials including presidentghani walked up with $5 million. these are allegations that we been asked to look at all step we have to determine and you know how difficult it is to determine was truth and fiction in afghanistan, we have to determine that. because congress has asked us to do it. give us time and give his support. we have to get access to that data in get access to those people. we have to see what we can do to answer all the

and house version of ndaa, increased spending a real increase of 3%.t would be moving from about 715 billion to 740 billion. does the department now agree with what in a very bipartisan way this committee and house armed services committee said, we shouldn't do that? that's a bad message to the chinese. do you agree with what we did here on this committee? are you going to change your budget submission? >> it's within congress's prerogative to do what you did. i would say from the department's perspective, china is the number one pacing challenge. the secretary of defense has been laser focused on it. our budget-- >> but i'm asking. do you agree with it? do you agree with it? do you agree with what we did in the committee? >> i know it's our prerogative, of course. >> i agree we should be spending significant resources to get after china as the pacing challenge. >> general, what about you? i know it's difficult you have to support the president's budget. i know that members of the uniformed military don't support it, but they have to constitutionally,

the senate should be passing its version of the ndaa hopefully before thanksgiving, and then it willt to preserve as many of those reforms as possible. we owe it to our service members. we owe it to vanessa guillen and her memory. and we owe it to the american people to make sure that we are doing right by our military. >> yeah, it's so important to keep her name in the forefront of everything. congresswoman, it's a real pleasure to see you. thank you for your time this morning. >> likewise. thank you, jose. >> thank you so much. >>> coming up, we are expecting to learn more today about what happened on alec baldwin's movie set, the day of that deadly shooting. new details in the investigation, next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ re-entering data that employees could enter themselves? that's why i get up in the morning! i have a secret method for reme

democrats have left congress' most fundamental tool for influencing defense policy, the historically ndaan limbo. the latest public statement on the majority leader's spending policy did not mention the defense authorization bill. apparently he's content to let it languish behind the left-wing wish list. so america is staring down serious and historic threats. and somehow with unified control of government, the only actions democrats have managed to take on foreign policy have made them worse. the american people deserve a lot better than this. our service members deserve better, our allies deserve better, but washington democrats are proving they cannot deliver. now on one final matter. it's a small group of people who have become familiar faces right here on the floor of the united states senate. there are the senators themselves, the nonpartisan professionals on the dais, the capitol police and doorkeepers and then, madam president, you have the men and women of each party's cloakroom. these small and tight-knit teams keep information flowing from the senate floor to members' offices a

i helped pass a requirement in the fiscal year '20 ndaa that required both the fbi and the dhs to report data on this threat. yet both of your agencies took close to a year to provide roughly half of the response that we were looking for. a year to provide half. director wray, in the case of the fbi, half would be a very generous assessment of what the fbi provided. it's considerably less than that. if we can't get that kind of data, it's difficult for us to understand what the efforts are, what efforts are being made and how we might be able to support those efforts. you have reporting requirements under the law, and i would hope that you would comply on time and in full. can i get a commitment that we can get the rest of that information that's well over a year past the expected date? >> well, certainly you can have my commitment that we're going to do better and work with you as quickly as we can to get you the information that we can. part of the challenge that we're not happy about is of course the pandemic hit and many of the people that we're involved in pulling together the infor

the 5% increase for defense program, that's consistent with the national defense authorization act, ndaah was reported by the senate armed services committee on an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote, and it passed the house last month again with overwhelming bipartisan support. the labor, health, and human services education bill includes doubling fund for title 1-a grants for educational agencies, that program i mentioned is the foundation of federal support to schools across this country. it also increases funding for the child care development block grant by 23%, and we do this to provide high-quality child care and education to working families across the nation. it provides a 24% increase over last year for the centers for disease control, to strengthen u.s. public health infrastructure. we know we have to do that in the wake of a global pandemic that has created terrible problems in that area. the commerce, justice, science bill provides historic funding levels for the department of justice violence against women act programs. that's a 48% increase over the last fiscal year. it's the l

these provisions are included in this year's ndaa that has passed the house. i also believe the previous administration missed an opportunity to begin a process of working to diversify our supply chain out of china. during the trump administration's u.s. china trade disputes, i'd ask business leaders visiting my office how they were doing in china. were they making money? are the chinese rules easy to navigate? many of the countries in my informal survey answered in the negative. so there's work to be done. building america's supply chain capacity outside china will take years, maybe decades, but american businesses have experienced two major disruptions in business in a short period of time between the trade disputes with china and the proliferation of covid-19. this is one way we can slowly and in small increments separate from china will building economic resilience in areas like central and south america or southeast asia. and certainly our recent scefl completion of the u.s. m.c.a. is a key component. let me agrez now the challenging subject that stephani

these provisions are included in this year's ndaa that has passed the house. i also believe the previous administration missed an opportunity to begin a process of working to diversify our supply chain out of china. during the trump administration's u.s. china trade disputes, i'd ask business leaders visiting my office how they were doing in china. were they making money? are the chinese rules easy to navigate? many of the countries in my informal survey answered in the negative. so there's work to be done. building america's supply chain capacity outside china will take years, maybe decades, but american businesses have experienced two major disruptions in business in a short period of time between the trade disputes with china and the proliferation of covid-19. this is one way we can slowly and in small increments separate from china will building economic resilience in areas like central and south america or southeast asia. and certainly our recent scefl completion of the u.s. m.c.a. is a key component. let me agrez now the challenging subject that stephani

these provisions are included in this year's ndaa that's passed the house. i also believe the previous administration missed an opportunity to begin a process of working to diversify our supply chain out of china. during the trump administration's u.s.-china trade disputes i'd ask business leaders visiting my office how they're doing, making money? are the chinese rules easy to navigate and many of answered my questions in the negative so there's work to be done. building america's supply chain capacity outside of china will take years, maybe decades, but american businesses have experienced now two major disruptions in business in a short period of time between the trade disputes with china and the proliferation of china. this is one way we can slowly and in small increments separate from china while building in resit tense in central and out south america and it's a key component. let me look at the challenges that stephanie put so much effort in capital flows between the u.s. and china. it outlines the infrastructures of two countries. capital flow where

president on down and the questions that are asked and the responses required and so forth, the 2022 ndaa has some very specific exercise requirements that the white house and other members are required to follow through. do you know if either president trump or president biden had the opportunity to do a tabletop exercise and actually listen to the questions that were going to be asked of them should there ever be the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons? >> i do not know if either one, president trump or president biden has gone through that tabletop exercise. >> thank you. once again, thank you, gentlemen, for your service to our country. >> thank you, senator rounds. senator hirono, please. >> thank you, mr. chairman. secretary austin, my colleague, senator duckworth mentioned the idea of an independent commission to evaluate what happened before, during and after the war in afghanistan, so secretary austin, are you open to such an effort? >> senator, i will always -- as you would expect, always cooperate with my oversight committee. >> yes, because i, for one, very much agree th

in fy 2019, the ndaa provided for waivers under catsa, specifically, i think, with india in mind. given india's importance as a partner in the indo-pacific, they note that sanctions would do significant harm to our relationship. does india meet the waiver requirements congress passed three years ago, and why is it taking a very long time to reach a decision? >> senator, that is a question that's driven by a foreign policy decision that i'm not in a position to make, but we can forward this and move forward. >> you're sending me to the state department? >> i'm saying this is a question that the secretary of state is well positioned to answer along with those in the administration. >> a similar circumstance arose in regard to turkey, and it highlights for me that countries are making decisions that regardless of our sanctions, they are continuing the behavior that the sanctions are designed to prevent or deter. turkey is an example of that. india now presents, apparently, a similar kind of outcome, and it then highlights again -- i would raise in the 16 seconds i have left there is

with imperatives quaid in the president's executive order as you mentioned as well as the last year's ndaa. they seek to further cisa's implementation of those requirement asks with respect to the eo in popular i'm pleased to know the cisa met the highly aggressive deadlines for each of the efforts we were charged to lead. that said we have a lot of work ahead of us and we need congress' help. as you know there is no single mantdry federal requirement for reporting of cyber incidents. and sharing is delayed leaving infrastructure vulnerable. incident reporting must be timely, broad based and not limited by incident type or sector impacted. it also has to provide enforcement mechanisms to drive compliance. finally, legislation should provide cisa with the flexibility to define the scope of requirements in consultation with our partners including importantly doj and fbi, balancing the benefit of reporting against the burdens to industry and government. finally, i'd like to thank the committee for the efforts of fisma reform. fisma is outdated a use said. the status quo clearly is not working

obviously the power of the purse is a powerful and bundled with the ndaa and the gains around that even it and pay raises from the troops but specifically every congress has to have an up or down vote to continue the post 9/11 aumf so do you think that would've source the political courage to ask those difficult questions and then conversely at least having the dod sharpen the pencils and where things are going? >> my sense is there could have been a lot tougher questions i think most people in the executive branch after a while start to view hearings because they think i know that about that subject matter and that's a good healthy attitude. i don't think the authorization itself would have brought forth the desired results because of what i said to the congresswoman. think the members of congress themselves felt that strongly about afghanistan but now iraq, yes. >> thank you secretary. i want to touch on the panelist as well. it strikes me that with general mcmaster to come to you on this, there is a belief that is more sustainable and if we look at it solely through the lens of ameri

. >> thank you and that's why offered an amendment to the ndaa that would address extremism not only in the armed forces but also to strengthen the transition assistance program and recruitment by extremist groups and i'd like to ask ms. butler and mr. plenzier as all of our presenters have mentioned this program is on senior test why and how else can the program be strengthen to help servicemembers be prepared against the threat of extremist groups and recruitment by those groups? it t the more we can provide transitioning servicemembers with information and guidance on jobs education housing health care all of these issues that tend to build and become much larger issues down the line the more the weekend help them and the better off we will be in combating extremism as well as mental health albums down the line. it's one of those areas where we continue to improve. >> working to the left of this issue in a preventative measures the best way to go and i think if we can stop them from considering joining these groups that's when we can apply that is pressure. once a day -- difficult

we finally got a [inaudible] subject to the ndaa legislation but there are still some gaps in terms of detail missing from 2009 to 2019. can you commit to helping clothes those data gaps in that report so that members of congress and other [inaudible] can have the understanding necessary about [inaudible] domestic terrorism in this country? >> thank you, mister chairman. yes, you can count on us to work with you and your chaff and the committee staff to try to produce more information. [inaudible] responses to those requests. certainly of [inaudible] some of the information requested as it gets overly involved for the study, involved information that at least wasn't maintained in earlier years, in a form that would be most useful. so we are trying to work through that with your staff, and certainly i recognize that the earlier report took longer to get to you than it should have. some of that in, all fairness, was in part due to the pandemic and the fact that the people that we really needed to rely on for that work were both [inaudible] by the pandemic, but also working on is signific

. >> thank you, and that's why i offered an amendment to the 50 or 22 ndaa that would address extremism, not only in the armed forces but also to strengthen the transition assistance program to defend against recruitment by extremist groups. i would like to ask mr. butler and colonel plenzler, you mentioned -- all of our presenters have mentioned this program in your testimony. how else can the transition assistance program be strengthened to help transitioning service members be prepared against the threat of extremist groups, recruitment by those groups? >> yeah, i'll quickly say i think the more that we can add to the t.a.p.s. program and make it more effective in providing transitioning service members with information and guidance on jobs, education, housing, health care, all of these issues that tend to build and become much larger issues down the line, the more we can set them up for a path to success out of the gate, the better off we're going to be combatting some of the other issues such as invitations to extremism as well as mental health programs down the line. the t.a.p.s.

anti-kleptocracy bills were recently included, bipartisan bills, included in the house a version of the ndaave to see that continue on the senate side. but yeah, these pieces of legislation are moving. host: sean in ohio, a republican. you are on with josh rudolph. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. i have a question when it comes to, when you happened to do the research of these papers, you mentioned trump's old house. has anything come up about the stuff with the bidens or soros, or with hunter biden, you know, his history and the millions in china? has anything looked into that? same on the republican side, the american oligarchs with their money getting involved? guest: a great question, and i appreciate the way that you are asking it, asking about both sides and asking it as a genuine question. it's important to know. it's important to live in a country when we are asking questions, not just accusing the other side. one of the reasons why data leaks and careful investigations like the "pandora papers" are important, is because we do not want our political discourse to be based on

most of you know that the 2018 ndaa required that state, dod, and usaid develop a strategy toward preventing corruption. there was a report due in june 2018 over three years ago and we have yet to receive it. i have raised this matter on multiple occasions and it has been highlighted by the special inspector general for afghanistan reconstruction. we are still awaiting that. corruption is undermining our efforts and must be addressed. you also made an observation that one of the reasons we failed to leave afghanistan perhaps sooner was the result of political fear of losing a war. quoting you, that the instinct to keep up the fight one over the need to review our interests and the interest would have benefited from more intense congressional oversight. i agree with you. with that in mind, what do you think congress should have done 10 or 15 years ago to address that political cost, especially amongst those who campaigned to be tough on national security and what additional oversight should congress be pursuing prospectively as we move forward? >> i might be a victim of my past i'm sure you a

which is why just last week the house passed the fiscal year '22 ndaa. so i was extremely disappointed to see the policy which opposes the overstated extremism. not a single section talked about how toie eliminate it. congress has given $68 billion to the department, more than $28 billion of the budget request, yet they need data collection to counter the threat of extremism as onerous? we heard the same pushback when it came to sexual assault for 20 years until they finally realized they were failing and they needed better tools. the department is making little, if any, progress to address that. whether it's sexual assault or racial injustice, they repeatedly tell commanders, we can handle it, we are studying it, we are ready to fight tonight. we cannot wait years, let alone decades, in the face of object -- obstinance before meeting this. there is many to address in terms of the evacuations and the anticipation in the rise in operations. we have to care for our troops and the families, and that includes combatting extremism in your formations in a way

the 22 ndaa has specific requirements of the white house and other members are required to follow through you know if either president trump or president biden had the opportunity to do a tabletop exercise and listen to the questions that were going to be asked of them and should there ever be the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons? >> i do not know if either president trump or president biden did that. >> thank you and once again thank you gentlemen for your service to our country. >> senator hirono please. >> thank you mr. chairman. senator austin my colleague senator duckworth mentioned the idea of an independent commission to evaluate what happened before during and after the war in afghanistan so secretary austin are you making an effort? >> senator i willl always cooperate with my oversight committee. >> yes because i for one very much agree this was a 20 year war and there were four presidents involved that i would like to ensure that there is some assurance of the 20 year forever war and at the same time i feel republicans have made -- about the war and i thought they wante

our troops deserve better and i am calling on leader schumer to bring the ndaa to the floor. our american heroes deserve better than this, and we need to get my amendment as soon as possible. i want to thank senators cruz, lankford, tuberville, kramer, senator rick scott, kennedy and wicker for joining me in this legislation. i look forward to working with them once we submit it as an amendment to the ndaa. thank you, mr. president. i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from north carolina. mr. tillis: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, american families are hurting, and there's no relief in sight. we're facing skyrocketing inflation and families are feeling it every time they go to the grocery store. we're facing a supply chain crisis that threatens to deny families the food and the goods that they need. we're facing surging energy prices that are literally burning holes in the wallets of hardworking americans. just this week i drove up from charlotte, and i was amazed at how much more it took me to refuel my truck about halfway from charlotte to d.c. t

that is what the ndaa provides. and while we need a vote on the senate floor. so what does it say about leader schumer's priorities that passing our military authorization is at the bottom of his list? but investment in their military is not the only means by which china ask seeking to get ahead. we have increased our efforts by china to infiltrate our economy. we have seen this. to undermine our free market values and to steal our intellectual property. in recent surveys, a greater number of americans said china is more powerful economically than the united states. this is a reversal from two years ago when most americans said the united states had the economic upper hand. and when it comes to taking over the economic upper hand china has no rules. the chinese companies definitely don't play by ours. our country has already seen chinese companies backed by the chinese communist party attempt to invest and even take over companies. this grave national security threat will only grow if we allow china to invest in our critical industries. our government has a pro