there has got to be a --ndamental retooling in intellectually where the faith communities are in terms of how we engage, because on the one hand you have some forces in popular culture who are creative. they captivate the minds of this generation and we have nothing that is competitive. think about it from a business vantage point. in the marketing and merchandising of our vision, our worldview, our ideas, we have failed with breathtaking incompetence. there is an opportunity and we have got to think through new ways how we in the christian coalition, how we develop a new ,- in the christian tradition how do we develop a new skin with a new lion to speak to a new -- >> when you look at the cultural landscape, pop culture, we have tyler perry and that is it.-- roma downey and tyler perry. everything else is sort of inculcating a different value. to pick up on something that you mentioned earlier, this notion of the tyranny of secularism. as we see that looking forward, weaving its way into the government, how do you combat that, how do you answer that without being labeled as your fello