ndamentally, the defense is a sponsibility of government. government is forced. defense is what keeps us safe. that's why the entitlement programs weren't present in the constitution and as -- they made it nonetheless. the defense is a proper role of government. redistribution is not. >> let me do this. i'm going to throw this to you and put a picture up here of two different people. we are going to take surfer boy on one side. we are going to take a military guy on the other side. are we now handing over lobster and sushi to surfer dude at the expense of the military guys who, by the way, juan, they have to pay more for tri-care, military health syst, more for using and their pay is being frozen? is that fair? is that the america we want? >> this is so simplistic it is laughable. are you kidding me? even thon thon said our military budget is bloated. we have programs that even the military says that they don't want or need. when it comes to surfer dude, everybody says that guy looks like a bum. he shouldn't be -- we shouldn't be encouraging him. one out of six a