much more positive slogan in the previous historians attested to so to give you a good example for neal joseph among his books waiting until the midnight hour and his new biography of still to come. he sees black power and with a number of other historians but begins to see it in a new frame. he pushes to think of in terms of its positive aspects and uplifting aspects in and the way it shapes the whole movement. >> host: can you speak in a little more detail about women's role in the movement itself and women's role responding to the movement particularly white women? >> guest: when we are talking about grassroots organizing you have to look at the key roles of african-american women particularly through the institutions of local communities. how do he get people involved in the movement? you have to get them into a church. who does the work for the church? who is it that one of the church in and the community? who is making -- it's very often families. who is the center of the family? it's the mother so women become key connectors between families as well. the social network becomes the polit