neal katyal, former acting solicitor general of the united states. for coming back to talk with us. >> thank you. >> we now have this new round of reporting about the seriousness of the fbi investigation, the closeness to the president in terms of this person of interest. if the president is freaked out by this new reporting, if he was reviewing his options to kibosh or screw up this investigation, what would be his best bet? >> just following your first guest, we think of checks and balances as being courts, but the real story this week is the press and people like devlin and the "new york times" doing that kind of reporting which is what our founders envisioned in the first amendment. that's actually the answer to this question which is sure, there are all sorts of ways a president can stymie a special counsel but the regulations were drafted with a lot of input from erica holder, janet reno, to try and say sunlight is the best way to avoid a president who's going to try to endear. all those options you mentioned like firing muller or ordering the

amy: that is attorney neal katyal. bob ferguson, attorney general of washington, your response? think he has it spot on. rudy giuliani, when i mentioned his quote that the president asking him to create a muslim ban, those words came after donald trump was president. these statements, it is not a one-off from one campaign event back many months ago. there is a pattern of comments from the president himself and his get visors making very clear what they want to do. and frankly, every federal judge so far has looked at this case from the original travel ban to the revised when, whether those scumepublican or democrat have all agreed the injunction must be -- or democrats, have all agreed the injunction must not go forward. amy: let's go to rudy giuliani, close ally of president trump picking on fox news. >> to tell you the whole history of it. when he first announced to be said, muslim ban. he called me up and said, put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally. i put a commission together with judgment casey, congressman mackall, pete king and a whole group of