they can look at what as a rule nebility was -- vulnerability was passed. that's something that goes into the equation. at the international botnet task force meeting in virginia in 2008 when we announced the patch m0s87, i still remember the number, we said, hey, guys, let's look at this. we had security researchers from 45 countries in the room. we got rid in the last session, spent an hour natch with everybody. folks from the msrc in the room with us. we had stamps of malware and the exploit codes, and we started to shift it around, but we knew, you know, it was definitely a warnble vulnerability, need the patch out there, and there were people in the room patching their machines over the wifi at the coordination center. we probably should have planned ahead for that, but, i mean, it was one of those things you can't avoid. people who are curious look at, you know, what did they update? i have friends that do that. >> six weeks later? >> it was a really short amount of time, but i have friends that do -- mob their cars, and first thing they do is take a