because once you buy so many television commercials, at some point it seems to me that we become e necessanumbo. does it make that much of a difference? >> it makes a very good question because trump was not the candidate that spent the most money. hillary clinton spent more. >> don't get me started about jeb bush. >> other republican candidates had much more big money behind them. so you look at trump and you say maybe it doesn't matter so much, unfortunately it matter hugely in almost every election, all over the country, the candidate that spent the most money was the one that won. when you think about trump, he didn't need a lot of big backers, he spent $66 million of his own money with, a billionai his own right running. if there is point that i would really like to get across, it is that money matters in ways that's not just what you spend on candidates. what this book is about is the back story of how people with very right-wing agendas and a tremendous amount of money have subsidized a machine that is not just about elections. they have subsidizing programs, universities, pushing their