to visit iraq to see what it would look like when the fighting had ended and as part of that i ned jarrett on the trip and when i play it back that is all i hear is her voice -- the voice. [laughter] it was in 2009 we began reaching out to to silicon valley to have a conversation about how technology was in the immediate core business area where the extraordinary impact on technology was felt and iraq was on that list and syria and certain parts of russia and so the very first fortune 100 ceo from a technology company to be in baghdad was a big deal because we tried to connect to the world of expertise of psychology with geopolitics. >> what was interesting andy initial conversation where does the money go? but may be making cell phones illegal so we're not cross connected the most important thing to do to rebuild communication and that was the conclusion and one of the first observations the threats against americans were the itt's to put up the of life by tower meant to put cameras on then to see your the ideas are going it is a lack of ideas because of the lack of the infrastructure doe