host: two guests, neema singh guliani with the aclu, steven bradbury. should also add that neema singh guliani served in the department of homeland security. tom, sarasota florida. you oppose it. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: i oppose it because it is kind of creepy and it is against the constitution. we are snooping on other countries like germany and brazil. what we need to do is snoop on north korea and castro from cuba. i agree with that. it is just wrong, period. thank you very much. bye. host: "creepy" is how he described it. is there a problem with the perception problem? guest: there is a problem and it has engendered a debate and it is a healthy debate. it is important to understand we are trying to protect the country against attack. the president of the united states, president obama, agreed with president bush that this program, being able to check the numbers to see if there's is a connection between a terrorist overseas and someone within the u.s. working with that organization is a critical tool needed to help protect the

neema singh guliani, counsel american civil liberties union. jim harper senior fellow cato institute. and orrin kerr francis steven research professor of law at george washington university law school. when we were preparing for this panel i proposed three general areas of discussion. the panelists are not limited to these. but to give you an idea of where we're going with this. those areas of discussion are what is the current law, fourth amendment law regarding these

on tomorrow's "washington journal," neema singh guliani and author steven bradbury will be discussing the patriot act and its implications since 9/11. also amy harder looks at the decision to allow shell oil to begin drilling off the alaska coast this summer. we'll also take your phone calls, facebook comments and tweets. "washington journal" is live tomorrow starting at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. >> congress returns to session on monday and later next week the house will turn to several items including work on the highway trust fund which is set to expire at the end of may and 2016 spending for the legislative branch. you can see the house live on c-span. the senate also returns monday with continued work on the trade promotion authority with votes on a couple of amendments scheduled for 5:30 p.m. eastern. that measure authorizes president obama to enter into trade agreements by july 2018, and would need congressional oversight and apursuant to the rule. senators could amend the patriot act to end n.s.a. collection of americans' phone record. see the senate live on our companion network c-

neema singh guliani, counsel american civil liberties union. jim harper senior fellow cato institute. and orrin kerr francis steven research professor of law at george washington university law school. when we were preparing for this panel i proposed three general areas of discussion. the panelists are not limited to these. but to give you an idea of where we're going with this. those areas of discussion are what is the current law, fourth amendment law regarding these issues and where do we think it's going? looking at the court decisions that have come down to date. and a corollary of that is does the current analysis under the fourth amendment, reasonable expectation of privacy, does it really fit this subject matter? or is there another way to look at it, perhaps? another topic is how do we find out in our cases whether this technology has been used? you've heard from our last panel efforts that have been made by law enforcement to keep it secret. how do we determine that it has been used? and for instance, in the instance of the stingray d