. >> here with me now, ken cuccinelli, president of the senate conservative's fund, neera tanden, centerf american progress, bakari sellers, s.e., let me start with you -- >> what do you think -- >> he's another poll showing that donald trump is the front-runner. he is six points up from the cnn poll in june. indicating that the comments about mccain, didn't hurt him, possibly even helped him. >> right. i would point out his unfavorables are still significant. but, i think what this proves is that his supporters, people looking at trump, are approving of his style, right, not his substance? you just tried in a 15 minute phone call to pin him down on substance on immigration, on gun control. >> tried. >> yeah, yeah. you know, we'll see what we'll see i think was his most specific -- >> on path to citizenship. we'll see what we'll see. >> so i think there's no way to suggest that people are opposing of his substance or his policies because we don't know what they are. but they like his style. that's an indication of the great disaffection that most voters have for the rest of the political