she came in very sick, and never executive at nehring director saved her life. met her that day, today he was released onto that island. i was on the boat with her. i was trying to comfort her, because she must have been worried. it was me that she came. if you remember that footage, she climbs out of her crate, she climbs onto the top, she looks around. then she does a double take and comes back and embraces mate, it was the most moving thing that has ever happened to me. i said, how does that chimp know that this lady is responsible for it all? of course, she didn't. >> it was an extraordinary moment and i encourage everyone to see it. i hope we can put a little connection to that. just we get to the close, you said two things. our dangerous -- greatest danger is apathy. you have said there are many ways to move in the right direction, i would like our viewers and listeners to hear from you, what are some of the ways jane goodall things we can move in the right direction, and avoid apathy? >> i think apathy comes when you lose hope. when you lose hope you do n