joining me now is mark neikrug, composer and artistic director of the santa fe orchestra. healing ceremony was written to help ease stress for patients facing serious illness. i am pleasedded to have him here at this table for the first time. >> thank you. charlie: how did this come about for you, this looking at healing through music. >> i been interested for quite a while in the research, following all the neuro scientists who have turned to experimenting, trying to find out what really goes on in the brain with music. then i was approached by dr. cheryl willman who was the head of a brand new cancer center at the university of new mexico. $100 million buildalling. she was a very or is a very interesting woman in that when designing this cancer center, she consulted with navajo healers. she consulted with healers from india. she built the cancer center so that there is no space inside that's more than five steps from looking outside. she designed the chemo suites so that they're almost like a spa on a balcony looking at fantastic view of the mountains. and she went to ar