that was neil bennett talking to me earlier.from neil that, the 13 international drivers and five expert thai divers are now taking a necessary rest before they resume their operation to enter the cave once more and he got the final four boys. is hoped as well that the coach may emerge today but so far we have seen them all come out in groups of four. that is a decision, we have been told, of the divers leading the operation. the boys will be given a medical assessment before they start their journey and their rock points along the way where they can rest and they will be assessed and checked that they are strong enough to carry on. we can not tell you what time the divers will enter the we are told it will happen some point today. certainly there are rest time will be less than 20 hours. in the meantime they will continue to pump out water from the caves. water management he is crucial in keeping water levels as low as they possibly can so the boys can walk as much as of the way and not have to dive all the way back. in terms o

neil bennett there with his thoughts on the operation so far.holding off but it is raining now. there were huge downpours overnight and the men leading this operation have always said it is a race against time and the weather. it is monsoon season here and what they do not want happening is for the cave to fill up with water gain. they have gone to massive efforts to prevent that from happening. dams have been built around the mountain to divert the water but before the divers re—entered yesterday for the second phase, they spent time pumping out water so i imagine that is exactly what is going on in the cave behind me now. we expect the divers to re—enter later today to bring out the final five boys. re—enter later today to bring out the finalfive boys. all the re—enter later today to bring out the final five boys. all the way through that have brought out for added time and now there are five left one would hope that perhaps today, the final day is hope of this operation, that the coach will come out with them as well. meanwhile, a boys are al

let's now bring in neil bennett. neil the managing director at new zealand diving live this hour from auckland, new zealand. neil, you just heard the reporting from our correspondent on the ground there. it seems the rescue operation back under way. and i want to pose the same question to you. putting these dynamics together. so the weather seems to be cooperating. we do understand they pumped a great deal of water out. does this still create somewhat of an ideal situation, as ideal as you say it can be for this situation with these teams to go in and try to rescue the others? >> this is their best opportunity. they're not going to wait any long longer. they're going to maximize the window to try to get these guys out. so this is the best scenario they're going to get. >> let's talk about the actual process they have in place. it seems to be a relay system. essentially shuttling person after person through these dives, through the mountain caves, back out to the mouth of this mountain cave system. >> they'll pass the

let's now put this into context with neil bennett. neil the managing director at new zealand diving. joining this hour from auckland, new zealand. pleasure you have to on the show. neil, look, as david pointed out just a moment ago, this operation, it's been successful. the feeling around the world seems to be so far so good. but we're talking about the best of the best, people who have successfully rescued four of these children. explain how the rain or rising water levels either push or affect their process. >> the rising of the water levels is certainly going to delay them, may affect the decision of the numbers they try to bring out in one go. it creates extra difficulty for the students to try to swim through to get through. delays from starting this morning. >> as far as the actual process, let's talk about what they're doing because it seems similar to a relay system, essentially shuttling everyone through these dives, shuttling through the mountain and then back out to open air. >> that's correct. they've broken the cave into g

also via skype neil bennett he's a diver and managing director at new zealand diving will get to you all in just a moment but first let's talk to bill white house he's a spokesman for the british cave rescue council and has been in direct contact with the british divers helping with the rescue in thailand he joins us on the line now from buxton in the u.k. so bill is what a relief to hear that these first boys have been coming out and the head of shed jewel as well what are you hearing about the rescue efforts. yes increase in incredible. good news the operation to bring the mouse it was is extremely dangerous and frankly very risky. and there's been a lot of planning going on in the last few days. in preparation for if the tiles or if he's gave the go ahead to to try don't have rescue. to the way to do it well whatever way they have done is they seem to have got it right because if they were if they however many of come out now if this is the process is they use work for them then god willing there's a chance that it'll work for the others as well so it's excellent use. we were as w

over the next couple of days travel story scott thanks for bringing us the update that from china neil bennett trains diving instructors and is director of new zealand diving limited and joins us live now from skype from the town of walk with me it really is an incredible story isn't it what's your assessment of the situation how can these boys be brought out along with the governor a very big challenge and concerns are so young and probably a lot of them canceling. each other but he took them in the water is immense normally up to three although you will still be her schools are going to be like you know he's thirty seven and you know so the curator of the message board deal is it a better option to do that though and to attempt to teach them to swim and scuba dive is that better than leaving them for months. because you are a lot of what the weather conditions are going to be who's the mountain will be like. you know every time we run into the ball through those those cases the and the danger is that the safety area will go one in the case that they're in an emergency and you're going to get

also via skype neil bennett he's a diver and managing director at new zealand diving will get to you all in just a moment but first let's talk to bill white house he's a spokesman for the british cave rescue council and has been in direct contact with the british divers helping with the rescue in thailand he joins us on the line now from buxton in the u.k. so bill what a relief to hear that these first boys have been coming out and the heads of shuttle as well what are you hearing about the rescue efforts. yes increase in incredible. good news the operation to bring the mouse it was is extremely dangerous and frankly very risky. and there's been a lot of planning going on in the last few days. in preparation for if the thai authorities gave the go ahead to to tried on a rescue. to the way to do it well whatever way they have done it may seem to have got it right because if they were if if they however many of come out now if this is the process is they use work for them then god willing there's a chance that it'll work for the others well it's the it's excellent use. of we all record

neil bennett is a diver at the privately owned new zealand diving center joins us now on skype from oakland good to have you with us this tragic case of the death of a diver i guess highlights just how difficult it is to get people in and out of this cave complex. in the early going. very near. we will go to that other with the. cloud of the world world making it would go back but we thought it was going down with you and so the only. the flow of the war to that feeds doc i understand it's a few kilometers long given all of that can the boys realistically be expected to be trained enough to scooba their way out. do you think you mean the. only a couple of go wrong with the rule not to worry about whether it doesn't going to happen. if you try to get them and they're going to do a crash through the front load the donkey in front of them and they're relying on the rescue dogs with the people who performed. but now the current u.s. is saying that they don't think the boys have a lot of time to stay in the cave as they initially thought what options do they really have then if if staying put is

also via skype neil bennett he's a diver and managing director at new zealand diving more get to you all in just a moment but first let's talk to bill white house he's a spokesman for the british cave rescue council and has been in direct contact with the british divers helping with the rescue in thailand he joins us on the line now from buxton in the u.k. so bill is what a relief to hear that these first boys have been coming out and the head of shuttle as well what are you hearing about the rescue efforts. yes increase in incredible. good news the operation to bring the mouse it was is extremely dangerous and frankly very risky. and there's been a lot of planning going on in the last few days. in preparation for if the time for it is gave the go ahead to to try don't have rescue. to the way to do it well whatever way they have done is they seem to have got it right because if they were if they however many you come out now if this is the process is they use work for them then god willing there's a chance that it'll work for the others as well so if it's excellent use. we were as we

two weeks and one day after they went in ok as scott thank you for that update let's speak to neil bennett he's a diving expert at new zealand diving joining us live from new zealand vi. thanks very much for speaking to us or as we now get news that four boys have been rescued just just give me your initial thoughts and initial reaction and talk to us about the risks for the divers themselves and what they might be going through right now as they pursued this operation it's an amazing achievement for both the first but she is still having success of most of. the rights of them so well imagine the trauma probably those eternal policy group that always go along with all of the got probably a little bit with the pay very there were even. probably not just. that was gone over one guard and one of the other probably doesn't take them along with the workers so this is. in the works really well so their head of security and . they are supposed to be going through but the response it's really trying. to get it routed rove is going to report that the problem. is that when further boys most of whom

about mueller the get the white house talking about other things and there were much more to the bennett. neil fall and how soon should he be with him? >> i thought it was interesting that there are reports that vladimir putin is not particularly excited about coming over. neil: it might not happen at all. >> and i hope it doesn't. there was little accomplished at that meeting other than a photo opportunity and between now and november if that happens before the november elections it will hurt the republicans and if it happened after he could but the democrats will be talking about it. again, that's not helpful in the president should be talking about other things. meet with putin and talk with him but only meet with him when you have constructive things that you can achieve them unless the in ministration has a better sense and described the american people what it wants to achieve and has a better opportunity to explain that in the aftermath is a mistake. neil: karl rowe, thank you. the president at 94 years young veteran that made the day in a moment. we will give you an update on the marke

neil hamilton is standing again. he's up against carolinejones and another assembly member, gareth bennett, who wants to abolish the assembly have one am. kirsty williams has been the welsh party leader, she doesn't want her old job back. and she's the only one of the 60 assembly members who isn't involved in a leadership election this year. now for a look at some of the other westminster news in brief. the dup's ian paisley made an emotional apology to the commons forfailing to register and declare two free trips to sri lanka in 2013. the family holidays, worth an estimated £50,000, were paid for by the sri lankan government. the commons standards committee recommended that mr paisley be suspended from the commons for 30 days. it is to my constituents, mr speaker, who have sat me here since 2010, that i make the profoundest of all apologies. they have honoured me with unwavering support to be their voice and i hope they will continue to have that confidence in me in the future. the brexit campaign group vote leave was fined more than £60,000 and referred to the police. the electoral commission said the organisation exceede

neil gorsuch. we'll see how it plays out with the big reveal on monday at 9:00 eastern. >> and geoff bennett with that up of the four we believe to be in consideration. thank you for sticking around for that at the white house. >>> let's bring in justin walker, former law clerk for kennedy and kavanaugh and assistant law professor at the university of louisville and still with me kimberly and kevin. and the interesting thing about you my friend, is you are a law clerk for kennedy and one in contention right now. what can you tell us about brett kavanaugh? >> well, thanks so much for having me. i could tell you that brett kavanaugh has two things that i think are going to be specially appealing to president trump. the first is his record and the second is his character. his record on the court is 12 # years long and written 300 opinions and on 11 separate instances he's staked out a bold and conservative written opinion that the supreme court thought was so important and controversial they decided to hear the case and on 11 times of the 11 times the supreme court vindicated kavanaugh. with character, i

. >> neil: that means having a careful written judicial record to go on, opinions and dissents. that would favor a brett kavanaugh, not amy coney bennetts only been on the bench six months. why do you think the conservatives want that opinion? >> obviously the experience of the justice souter has seared many conservatives to those with a light record. a written record comes in many forms. as you mentioned, judge kavanaugh has a long track record of originalist texturalist opinions. judge barrett was an educator. it's putting your name to something. it's not taken lightly like justice souter was. >> neil: and that raised some concerns for judge barrett, her arguing in support for supreme court justices voting to overturn precedent when they fundamentally disagree with it. did that or do you think that put her in conflict with chief justice roberts who we're told is not such a big fan of re-visits present? the only reason i mention it is the context of roe v. wade. what do you think of it? >> all of the supreme court justices vote to overturn precedent based on a series of considerations. just this last term, the chief justice in his opi