neil: you could be right. your brother jeb bush, former florida governor, republican convention. >> where did you hear that? neil: earlier today. >> i haven't heard that. neil: they didn't know you were a backing ted cruz but what i am going to ask in light of that, is there still just bush family angst toward donald trump and maybe in your brother's case in case he is correlated at that convention at the republican nominee? >> i can't speak for brothers or my mother or father. i personally have a great deal of angst about donald trump. he is the most flawed candidate. he has alienated so many constituents in the united states and he would lose disastrously and even hillary clinton under indictment would peak donald trump, honestly. it would be a terrible thing for the republican party to have as the head of its ticket donald trump who doesn't represent the values of america, is not even a republican, his views align with bernie sanders and he is trying to realign his used to sound like a republican but he is no philanthropic a com

they are running ted cruz's campaign, neil bush spent millions of dollars invested with common core andese other special-interest groups like goldman sachs, this is going to be a very serious problem if ted cruz goes down this path and neither donald trump nor ted cruz become the nominee. >> in terms of the 1237 number, that is what you have to get in order to lock in the nomination at the convention. you agree with that. >> absolutely. donald trump is the only candidate to date who still has a plausible way to get there. >> if he falls 40 short in that neighborhood you are not going to argue he should be given the nomination. >> if he falls short this is when we will go to that convention and the voters are going to have their say with the rnc. when you have someone with the most delegates in the most votes that should be taken into consideration rules could be added as well. >> let's play a soundbite from newt gingrich, his thoughts on where the trump campaign needs to go now. >> he has to flip the campaign back together again at a more inclusive level and more professional level. he

neil: although why you'd ted never came rolling off the tongue. >> or little marco. orwell energy for jeb bushneil: they do in a weird way stake. >> i wouldn't want him to label me. this is what it does. it is work so far this election cycle. especially the low energy one. that's been particularly damaging to him. ted cruz started putting trust that in the banners in the background as part of this. with hillary clinton there is truth to the crooked hillary thing. if you look among the democratic contest, one third of voters listed trust as their top concern, their top issue in only 16% believe hillary clinton is. look at new hampshire out of voters, trustworthiness is a top issue. they went for bernie sanders 92% to 6%. this is a big issue hunting hillary clinton brought the process so far. neil: when i talk to people who might not be as into this stuff as i am because i am a nerd. >> so am i. neil: you are just a more savvy nerd. there is a lying ted or low-energy bush. i'm always thinking that high school thing that is fixed. >> it is sort of a schoolyard holy mentality. it has worked so far

neil: do you think that a lot of your pals and those you work with in the bush 43 and beyond would actuallybe more in favor of hillary clinton running foreign policy than donald trump? >> well, there are certain things that trump has said that even people like myself who think that -- that hillary clinton would be a terrible president. and it would be terrible to give effectively obama a third term. but even people with those views i think are horrified at the idea that we would have a president like trump who says things like, well, you have to expect that the south korean's and the japanese and the saudis are all going to get nuclear weapons. he says things that suggestions he could do even more harm in many of these extremely important areas. neil: so it sounds like you actually prefer hillary clinton to donald trump? >> well, it's -- it would be an extremely unpleasant choice. let's hope we don't have to make that choice. neil: but it's looking like you will. who do you vote for? >> well, at this moment, one would have to say the likely candidates are going to be clinton and trump and t

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this number is the highest since before george bush's tax-cut go into effect. neil: essentially you don't pay any federal income tax, people do pay tax on gasoline, suffice it to say it is hard to support bigger government if fewer are paying into it. everyone should pay something, 35%, 40%, if you have skin in the game you are more interested in the cost of the game. charles: the psychological study of homeowners versus renters, the homeowner cuts the grass and pick up newspaper and a cup that might have flowed onto the lawn where the renter walks past that all day long, you want skin in the game and some ownership and that gives you a greater voice. bernie sanders is talking about raising taxes on everyone. neil: all the proposals for bigger government, free college, he has realized socking it to the charles paynes of the world won't do it. i got to go down and always explains with middle-class tax-cut you will get a lot more back than you are putting in. many can argue with that but he recognizes socking it to the rich won't do it. charles: his plan would be way

neil? we've been fighting for justice and accountability for 15 years and we've been thwarted every step of the way between the bushdministration and obama administration who ran on transparency and managed to keep things suppressed anyway. the fact of the matter is the legislation that would allow us to bring the saudis into court is a very narrowly document that has been vetted. it merely lifts immunities to bring them into court. they then have the tounlt to defend themselves. it's not the end of the fight or brings a verdict of guilt. it just brings them into court. the fact that my president is thwarting that it's unconscionable and i'm disgusted to hear it and see it. senator lindsey graham, he's a co-sponsor of the bill and has been a strong supporter of it for nine years and he has recently come out and said he was not for it any longer. he's now opposed and putting a block on it. this is unconscionable. this is on the heels of his trip to saudi arabia and that's when he comes out with this information. i find it suspicious he would say that. >> do you find we're also responding to saudi threats? they hold

experienced and more importantly, neil, look at -- there's a saying, basically stick with the winners. we have had a lot of bad decisions from the clintons and the bushesst don't think that we need to be bringing in the folks from this current administration from the obama administration. so, i think there's a lot of thing wes could do better. i think we need bring in the right folks. i don't think either campaign hays internalized the best folks possible to advise them and don't see folks in hillary's campaign all that much better on this one. >> no straight strategy on this. thank you. we've watching donald trump very closely to see what is hi talk can. still talking about collusion in pennsylvania, talking to his followers, but forget about this collusion talk. was it something john kashich raised with me when we were live doing cost of freedom on saturday that got his goat even more? and propelled the view that the system is indeed rigged and out of control. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is

president, bill clinton, and then george bush for seven years between 1999 and 2006, and i was just at wto protests in seattle and n1999, now, those are some protests, neil. what we're seeing out front here is -- there are some disturbances from the protesters deciding to try to push through the barricadeses and see if they can disrut the mow tote okayed but a the are still fairly tame compared to what we have seen before. and republican convention in tampa, back in 2012, and new york city, the security precautions taken there, areas set up. in cleveland, it's part of the game. clearly, though, donald trump does invite more ted cruz and john kashich. i was at cruz's event in the nightstown, indiana, on tuesday night, where just before the end of his speech, protester came forward and said, you're from canada. you're not eligible to be president of the united states. that's as far as his protest went. so clearly a little more spice to the protesters who are out here protesting donald trump, and i think they were really emboldened, if i may say by the event in chicago they got a real taste of protest power when he shut down -- trying to come together to tr

either way, neil, as we have se with this entire cycle, pointing to the republican side, with mar rubio and with jeb bush, once thehispspers turn into loud questions of is your campaign vile? it is not something the ndidate or the campaign ever wants to tabout. the difference with bernie sanders is that he is inging inoney hand over fist by the te of millions, he is able to sustain campaignrom here until the convention, and d at exactctly what he said he is going too earlier today. he wasere in philadelphia campaigning fo moving on to st virginia where he is tonight,nd he s asked about whether or not he's gointo geout ofof the race, and he called that an absurquestion. he said he is gng to continue onto californiand he said try to pretty much influencehe plform there. il: i don't see any reason, know hisife saidhereas no reason for him to be the drout candidate. th is why the super delegates make such a difference. >> right. neil: he's only behind by ss th 300. you throw the super deletes. >> andou have the much larger delegate pollshan yodo on threpublblican side. neil: why would quit? >> t only reason

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