first of all, you are on a hedge fund anil today with neil chriss who is just year. days, sand several low and warren buffett have been meeting up in the industry. what is your view? cliff: we started beating up on the industry 15 years ago. we wrote a piece -- i got yelled at every hedge fund manager. i was young once, i was young when i wrote this. it was called the hedge fund pledge, they are too correlated to markets. they move with the market is too much. and they charge too much. so they called me to yell at me, sorry, sorry. now i lean the other way to little bit. i still believe they are too correlated, they charge too much. but people are turning to negative. take warren buffett, he has a famous debt, hedge fund portfolio against him. he is winning, and he is smart. but that is whether the stock market will go up. hedge funds don't hedge as much as i think they should, but they do hedge. they are half as long as the stock market. we have had a bull market for many years. if you compare hedge funds to the market, they will lose in a bull market. people should