. >> i want to get your take from neil ferguson writing over the weekend. mr. supporters like nothing better than to portray him as the peacemaker to the warmonger. people havemore died violent deaths in the middle east during his presidency. is this the legacy? depends on how you look at it. yes, people are dying of violent deaths in the middle east. the question, are americans involved in all of that? there is turmoil in the region. that is killing people. some of it is because bitcoin has been overthrown. certainly a more volatile region than when the president took office in some respect. less americans getting shot at at the same time. >> when was the last time we saw a defense secretary have to effectively remake and redefine the role of the u.s. military to the extent that the secretary is having to do right now? >> i think you have to go back to the last drawdown, which started in the late 1980's and through the end of the first bush administration. the cold war ended. away.ent the u.s. military had to figure .ut what it is going to do now >> how did th