we also have neil franklin, a former maryland police state officer.ic of information officer from the chesapeake police. the shooter is dead now, but it seems that it was an active scene for at least half an hour. it was a lone gunman. there are fatalities, we don't know how many. there are injuries, we don't know how many. but it would seem that the police are still searching this large store to see if there are any other injured or dead. >> as leo kaczynski said, and this is what i figured. it's a super walmart, it's huge. people still may be hiding. it's going to take them a while just to make sure that they have located everyone in the store. then beginning the process of identifying evidence and everything else. this is going to take a while. it's probably going to be active at least into the morning probably late into the day tomorrow. and again, being able to locate, people who are made it to the hospital, people may be transported by other people in the hospital, maybe other people, and there may be witnesses, they got a lot of work to do. >>

we're back again with joey jackson, and we're also joined by neil franklin, a former maryland state policeand mary ellen o'toole, our retired fbi profiler. great to have all of you. so, neil, there is a relatively small police department there. they have not had a murder in that town in seven years. they are not obviously well versed in a murder like this. what's the first thing that they should have done? or what are you seeing in terms of opportunity is missed here? >> while, like you said, small police department. i think they have around 36 members in their police department. you also spoke to the lack of experience from -- a good, thing a lack of homicides in their city. but not just their city, the entire county in the past couple years there have not been any homicides. so, one of the first things they should have done, recognizing that they may not have the talent that they need, the skill sets that they need, whether investigators, is to reach out to a larger police department. maybe boise, maybe a larger city, that has dealt with homicides. maybe their state police. i think even

we also have neil franklin joining us, a former maryland state police officer. juliet and neil, we know now have the lay of the land. the gunman walked into that store a bit before 10:12 pm local time, and he opened fire. there are multiple fatalities, multiple injuries. police responded shortly after. we heard from the police spokesperson who said that the officers walked straight in. we don't know what sort of confrontation there was with the gunman, but the gunman is now dead. that was an active scene for about half an hour. neil, let's start with you. talk us through what would've happened. >> so, again once the officers would have arrived, and a half an hour active scene is a very long time. most of these shootings don't take that much time. it's just a matter of minutes. so if we had a think you said earlier less than ten hopefully deceased, we are pretty fortunate, but once the police officers arrived, they form a team, and they would enter the building. they would systematically go through the building trying to find the shooter to neutralize the shooter,

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