heslin's -- -- but neil heslin testified last week starting about 2013 that he first heard about the sandy hook never happened. and that's about the time he says he also heard the name alex jones. later, in 2017, he appeared in an nbc news segment that also included an interview with jones about the conspiracy theories, mr. heslin comments about holding his sons, after he had died, with the bullet wounds were later picked up by jones and associate on his broadcast. they essentially called -- about their never being a mass shooting. on the witness stand, mr. hatchling was asked to go into detail about the wounds to his son. at the funeral, they were advised to touch not to touch jesse's head because it was so fragile. >> it was stated that jesse was fake. that was an indication that he didn't exist. he did. you did live. i was present with him for a six and a half years. he's been gone [inaudible] times. thank god. i cherish those days. those years. we have jesse. >> mr. heslin also testified because of alex jones, he has had people confront him in public with lies about sandy hook, e

listen, i imagine this has never been a lot about the money for neil heslin and scarlett lewis? >> but this is about, particularly for neil heslin, who i've interviewed at length, this is about getting alex jones to shut up about his dead son. getting alex jones who never again say his son, who was shot and killed at sandy hook elementary school, wasn't shot and killed and wasn't even a real person. this is about taking that stress, that emotional stress off his back and making sure that alex jones and all his followers realized that the sandy hook massacre was not a hoax, was not a false flag, it was a horrific terrible event. >> i've watched the parents speak in that courtroom, and it is beyond imagination what they have been through. drew, do stay with us, i want to bring in cnn legal analyst paul callan and the new york times elizabeth williams, who's in the courtroom today. she is the author of, sandy hook, an american tragedy and the battle for truth. paul, first legal answers to this. ten out of 12 jurors came to this decision. it was not unanimous, interestingly. what do

name is neil heslin and he claims defamation. that -- jury will voted the release for. $110,000. but for both parents -- for scarlett lewis and for neil heslin, the jury said, for the infliction of emotional distress, now and in the future, awarding them each $2 million each. as you say, that is far, far below the $150 million ask for. and jim, i just viewed an up noxious video by alex jones that he put out on his website as he begged for money from his viewers, calling this a major victory for truth, alluding to the fact that he thought this whole trial was a democratic party run plot against him. and he is going to be unfairly treated tomorrow's punitive damage phase. but again, alex jones trying to spin this as a major victory for truth. >> he's been consistent throughout. listen, i imagine this has never really been about the money for heslin and scarlett lewis. >> what this is about, in particular, for neil heslin, this is about getting alex jones to shut up about his did son. getting alex schoen's to never again say his son, who was shot and killed at sandy hook elementary

as for neil heslin, he took the stand and testified he lives in fear because of alex jones propaganda>> i can't even describe the last night and a half years of a living that i and others have had to endure, because of the negligence and the recklessness of alex jones. >>'s alex jones spread a conspiracy theory that the sandy hook shooting was a hoax and the dead children were crisis actors. his son is this play, jesse, among the 20 children and six school staff, murdered in the shooting. his photo displayed as you see in the courtroom today. his father, broke down in tears seeing his son's death was not fake. >> he did live. i was blessed with him for 6 1/2 years. i cherish those days, those years with jesse. >> jesse's mother testified as well today. scarlett lewis spoke directly to alex jones in the courtroom, and demanded accountability. >> it seems so incredible to me that we have to do this. that we have to implore you, not just implore you, punish you to get you to stop lying, saying it's a hoax. it happened. it's like, surreal what's going on in here. >> going on for years. bo

neil heslin, thank you so much. >> thank you.now, one thing i said when i filed that lawsuit was it came to a knock-down/drag-out fight in the travis county courthouse, that's what it was going to be. alex started the fight and i was going to finish it. and i did say that i would -- i would deal with him face to face. >> and you did. >> and i had words with him too. so, once that happened, i was -- you know, everything i set out to do was accomplished. and we were in the trial, and we had the positive outcome of the trial. and it -- i feel really good. i feel good to be back home. but it's -- i'm really good with it. comfortable place. thank you. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> coming up, in democrats' immigration policies, dozens of immigrants arrived in new york city sent by texas governor ababbott. we'll have more on that ahead. it lowers the cost of drugs and ramps up p production of american-made clean energy. that means lower energy bills for families, jobs for our communities, and the boldest plan to take on clima

to pay damages to these two parents of a murdered 6-year-old, but it's only a fraction of what neil heslin scarlet lewis were asking and it was in the damage phase of this trial and they have been just awarded a little more than 4 million, $4.1 million. this is the moment alex jones chose not to be in court when the jury returned. this is the moment when the judge read off the questions on the monetary damages that this jury awarded. >> question 1a, $50,000. question, 1b, $10,000. question 1c, $50,000. question 1d, no dollars. question 2a, $1.5 million. question 2b, $500,000. question 3a $1.5 million and question 3b, half a million dollars. is this your verdict, the ten of you who signed it so say each and all of you, all ten of you? >> yes. >> all right. would the attorneys care to inspect the verdict? >> no, your honor. >> no, your honor. >> all right. then i will accept this as a verdict of the jury and order that the clerk enter it upon the minutes of the court. >> this case is not over yet. there is a punitive phase which begins tomorrow which would actually punish alex jones for the

on top of the $4.1 million they had already ordered him to pay to scarlett lewis and neil heslin, the of 6-year-old jesse lewis, who died in the sandy hook elementary school shooting in 2012. >> i don't know what really happened with sandy hook, folks. we've looked at all sides. we play devil's advocate from both sides. but i mean, it's as phony as a $3 bill. >> reporter: this is what the defamation lawsuit was all about. alex jones' regular rants on his infowars website that sandy hook was a hoax, staged, that none of the 20 dead children or their parents were even real. >> sandy hook is a synthetic, completely fake in my view manufactured. >> jesse was real. i am a real mom. i know you know that. that's the problem. >> reporter: the road to a reckoning for alex jones has been as ugly and wild a ride as last week's trial turned out to be. >> i can't even describe the last 9 1/2 years of the living hell that i and others have had to endure. >> reporter: heslin described the harassment, the death threats he and other sandy hook victims' families have faced because alex jones' followers

. >> the main jones is calling slow a manipulative, jesse lu says father, neil heslin. >> >> [inaudiblethose days. those years. with jesse. >> in all, families of seven victims and one fbi agent have successfully sued alex jones for deformation in three different trials, taking place in both texas and connecticut. jones testified he was simply trying to get answers to questions that others were asking. >> i never intentionally tried to hurt you, i never even said your name until this case reached court. i didn't even know who you were until a couple of years ago when all of this started up. the internet had a lot of questions, i had questions. >> based on a separate legal filing, families of sandy hook victims allege jones is using bankruptcy laws to shield tens of millions of dollars from any possible liability. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> lots to discuss, joining me now is elizabeth williamson of the new york times who was in the austin courtroom today. she's the author of an extraordinary book called sandy hook: an american tragedy and the battle for truth. elizabeth, what happ

. >> reporter: emotional testimony from neil heslin. he's the father of 6-year-old jesse lewis, killed at sandy hook elementary in 2012. >> when you lose a child, you're losing part of yourself. those feelings don't go away. >> reporter: heslin and jesse's mom are suing conspiracy theorist alex jones. jones on his infowars program told his audience of millions that the massacre was hoax, calling the victims and their families crisis actors. >> they staged sandy hook. the evidence is just overwhelming. >> reporter: parents are asking for $150 million saying they've endured years of harassment and threats by jones' followers. >> alex started the fight -- i'll finish this fight. >> reporter: heslin called jones a coward for not being present for his testimony. jones was in court as scarlett lewis, the boy's mother, took the stand and addressed him directly >> my son existed. you're still on your show today trying to say that i'm implying that i'm an actress. >> raise your right hand -- >> reporter: jones took the stand in his own defense.

. >> reporter: emotional testimony from neil heslin, the father of 6-year-old jesse lewis, who was killedmassacre at sandy hook elementary in connecticut in 2012. >> i cherish those days, those years. >> reporter: heslin and jesse's mother, scarlett lewis, are one of several families that have already successfully sued "infowars" host alex jones for defamation after jones claimed the sandy hook shooting was a hoax and claimed the victims' parents were actors. >> sandy hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors. >> reporter: now heslin and lewis are in court seeking $150 million in damages from jones, telling a jury that jones and the conspiracy theorists he enabled made their lives miserable. >> i can't even describe the last 9 1/2 years of the living hell that i and others have had to endure because of the negligence and the recklessness of alex jones. >> reporter: heslin says his family has received death threats with people even firing shots at his home. >> my home was shot up, vehicles were shot up in my yard. >> reporter: jones was not in court when heslin testified. heslin call

scarlett lewis and neil heslin asking the jury for 150 million dollars in actual damages saying jonesortrayal of the massacre as a hoax and the parents as actors to his millions of followers made it impossible for them to heal from their child's murder when it stated that, yes, she that is an indication >> do i was blessed with some have for >> perhaps the biggest shocking twist of the trial came wednesday when it was revealed that jones attorneys have mistakenly sent the parents attorney the last 2 years worth of text messages from joan cell phone. and as of 2 days ago, it felt pretty clear in my possession. and that is how i know by sunday when you said you didn't have text message about saying courts in texas and connecticut have already found jones liable for defamation for spreading his conspiracy theories. >> that was markie. martin reporting tonight. coming up, donald trump junior and trump have testified in a civil tax fraud investigation. why the former president is accused of >> illegal financial dealings and wnba star brittney griner found guilty of drug possession in a rus

on his radio show, jones accused jesse's parents, neil heslin and scarlett lewis, of being so called "crisis actors." they were subjected to years of harassment, violence, and death threats. >> i can't even describe the last 9 1/2 years of the living hell that i and others have had to endure. >> reporter: jesse's mother confronting jones about his lies. >> you keep saying it. why? why? for money? >> reporter: finally, a decade after the massacre, jones admitting that it actually happened. it was real. >> it was -- especially since i met the parents and -- it's 100% real. >> reporter: the parents were seeking at least $150 million in compensation for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. the jury's $4 million award falling short of that. and lawyers for the family say that jones will owe a lot more than that $4 million, and the jury isn't finished with him yet. they will now decide whether to award punitive damages. this is the first time he's been ordered to pay up for his lies. whit? >> erielle, thank you. >>> we're following major new developments in the dead

on top of the 4.1 million they had already ordered him to pay to scarlett lewis and neil heslin, theis is what the defamation lawsuit was all about. alex jones' regular rants on his infowars website that sandy hook was a hoax, staged, that none of the 20 dead children or their parents were even real. >> sandy hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors in my view manufactured. >> jesse was real. i am a real mom. i know you know that. that's the problem. >> reporter: the road to a reckoning for alex jones has been as ugly and wild a ride as last week's trial turned out to be. >> can't even describe the last nine and a half years of the living hell that i and others have had to endure. >> reporter: heslin described the harassment, the death threats he and other sandy hook victims' families have faced because alex jones' followers believed him. >> i have done things that are wrongnd a i didn't do it on purpose and i apologize. >> reporter: in one of several stunning moments in court last week a suddenly contrite alex jones admitted he had lied. >> especially since i met the parents

. >> neil heslin lost his 6-year-old son, jesse, in that shooting. >> alex jones puts a lot of livesdanger, a lot of families' lives in danger and at risk. >> he and others have sued jones over his lies. mark bankston is the attorney representing some of the families. >> at infowars there is a nearly bottomless well of hatred and cruelty. they don't care about the typical things you would expect a reasonable, rational person to care about. >> this is -- >> jones would hire pro wrestler dan ba dondi to cover sandy hook, and he harassed city employees. >> the sandy hook truth is coming out and you people are going to jail. >> looks like you were just trying to drum up conspiracies, kind of make a spectacle of yourself, really. >> it's not a spectacle. >> it's complete conspiracy theories. >> because most of the american public was thinking the same thing. >> most of the american public was not thinking it was fake. >> nobody was saying it was fake. >> crisis actors? >> i didn't say that. i know they're not crisis actors. i went to the grave sites, the memorial and everything, it was sa

so, remember, we were talking yesterday about when the parents, neil heslin and scarlett lewis, were addressing him. he wasn't there in court in the morning because he was doing his show, and, you know, railing on them and has been continually hitting a lot of this while all of these proceedings are happening, bringing up the judge, also railing on the jurors, a little push back from the jurors, too, calling them blue collar, basically trying to use terms and make the case that they are not smart enough to make a sound decision in this case when it comes to damages. it is remarkable just how open and transparent he has been in that respect and yet as you point out on the stand being fact checked in realtime. no, that's not her. yes, it is her. >> the sandy hook lawyer on hot mic says -- i'm paraphrasing -- the thing people haven't thought about yet is what happens when these messages -- when law enforcement gets these messages. two years on his cellphone takes us well before the insurrection and he was there on that day in washington. are you expecting that the committee, paul, is go

us about whate learned in the trial about the impact on these families come on scarlett lewis, neil heslinrents have jesse lewis and others as well? >> sure. within hours after the shooting, alex jones started to spread the lie that this was a false flag operation. meaning pretext but planned by the gernment to confiscate americans firearms. he liked to say he was oy echoing the claims of others or that he was only asking the questions that other people were asking. that is not true. he really did begin to talk about thisithin hour and he h a following of tens of millions of people. so that circulated. it only takes a small percentage who are willing to confront the families. so what started to happen was initially this was online. people started seeking out the family members who jones is implying and many hers as well were complicit in the government plot. they were calling them frauds , saying they did it for money, coming on to memorial pages that have been set up on facebook and elsewhere on social media and a recognition and honor of the victims, and then they kind of crossed that vi

case, the plant -- the parents of six-year-old jesse lewis were asking for 150 million in return, neil heslin2 million for his part and his mother sandra, excuse me, scarlet, got another 2 million. a penalty phase ago, it is a punitive one. that is tomorrow. it could be a lot more. we will just have to see. but again, this is a payment and he did have to apologize in court. this is a win for these parents, and that's what they wanted. they wanted face to face alex jones to be forced to tell the truth and in this trial he had to tell the truth, and he was also many times caught in a lie. >> 150 millions as what they wanted. they got 4 million. what do you think of the jury's decision? >> i was surprised, don, that the award by the jury was so much less than with the plaintiffs had asked for, but the plaintiffs lawyer expressed he is happy with the award. he says look, this is not everything we wanted, but this does send a message that although you have a right to free speech, you don't have a right to spread lies and vicious lies like the ones that alex jones engaged in. as drew said, there's

>> scarlet lewis and neil heslin.arents who are nearly $50 million in lost damages to get conspiracy theorists alex jones. and what did they show us? they showed us that you can beat back the disinformation warfare of jones and other people with a very simple element. the truth. >> yes. absolutely. and you know what? people forget, this guy is not just another conspiracy theorist. he's like the uber conspiracy theories that has been doing this for a long time and was involved in january 6th. my choice for who won the week -- the state, but the matter with kansas? not a thing. they won the week. they beat back this draconian attempt to rewrite the state constitution to take away women's rights, women's freedom. the celebration, we're gonna play a little bit of that celebration after kansas voters and not just democrats, democrats, republicans, and independents got together to take down this. sorry aledo, you had a bad week. joan walsh, david cohen, thank you very. much that's tonight's read out, happy, weekend all in w

so first, let's begin with this award, $45.2 million awarded to neil heslin and scarlett lewis today. how did the jury come to this decision? >> well, the jury was given a bunch of financial information, the net worth that they thought that alex jones was worth and more importantly, as you said, this is the punitive phase. this is the punishment phase. not what damages emotionally did alex jones put upon these two parents, but how should we punish him for what he did to these parents and to make sure he never does it again, jim. which he has done over and over again to other people. so the jury was asked that question, three different questions. they came back with their sum and is the sums added up to this pretty big punishing blow. this would be about 75% of the generated income from alex jones' media empire in a year. so it is a big hit. if it holds, as you said, there are caps in texas on these punitive penalties. >> just that figure, as you say, not even all that he earns in a year, shows that there's money in the business of disinformation. can you explain what happened earlier

scarlett lewis and neil heslin asking the jury for 150 million dollars in actual damages saying jones portrayal of the massacre as a hoax and the parents as actors to his millions of followers made it impossible for them to heal from their child's murder. when it stated that, yes, she that is an indication >> the key he did i was blessed with some have for >> perhaps the biggest shocking twist of the trial came wednesday when it was revealed that jones attorneys have mistakenly sent the parents attorney the last 2 years worth of text messages from joan cell phone. and as of 2 days ago, it felt pretty clear in my possession. and that is how i know by sunday when you said you didn't have text message about saying courts in texas and connecticut have already found jones liable for defamation for spreading his conspiracy theories. >> that was markie. martin reporting for us. >> let's check on the thursday night forecast heading into our friday. a live look outside of san francisco's embarcadero tonight. and only about an hour and a half from friday. kron >> would be reflected in your i ap

in the morning his father neil heslin was speaking and the attorney played part of alex jones, he didn't, but played part of his show during that testimony. just saying, look, they are here testifying. he's doing this. and when scarlett lewis had the opportunity after lunch to speak directly to him one of the things she said to him is she said i'm real. my child was real. i gave birth. there are records to all of this. she said i want you to stop doing it to him and directly said to him you're going to do this again and he shook his head no and she said but you just did it this morning. you just did it today. >> when she's talking about the pain of being -- having a child shot in the forehead and then the pain compounded by someone saying it's a hoax, it's unbelievable to hear her have to say that. >> yeah. >> you just can't get away from this stuff but the parkland shooter's trial is continuing today and we heard tearful testimony from grieving parents. this is some of it. >> i still look over at the passenger's seat and reach over and pretend i'm touching his cheek or putting my hand o

neil heslin and scarlet lewis, who lost their six year old son jesse, say they're paying was made evenrse because of years of harassment from jones. they are seeking at least $150 million. the former info wars radio host has already been found liable for defamation and other lawsuits in both texas and connecticut in san francisco, people packed into a special school board meeting last night as the board voted to admonish commissioner and shoe for her remarks about the families of black and latino students. the vote by the san francisco unified school district board to admonish commissioner shoe was unanimous last night. she came under fire for her previous remarks about black and brown students, she wrote in a questionnaire. i see one of the biggest challenges as being the lack of family support. it's insulting and appalling to say that latino families do not care about the education of their children. the reason for many latinos, even traveling to this country was in search of a better life for their children. this admonishment vote is symbolic. it does not mean shoe has to resign in

plaintiffs actually telling oliver that he was thrilled with the decision that scarlett lewis and neil heslinth the decision here and that they did note there are other defamation lawsuits pending. the punitive damages, that part of the trial, will be decided -- will start, rather, today so there could be more damages coming in just this trial alone. but you bring up an interesting point when you talk about other families because there are other cases pending and this is a point that one of our legal analysts made last night was that the jury may have taken into account that there are other defamation cases pending, and that perhaps they are thinking about the other families who may potentially be compensated and that may have figured into how they came up with this number. >> so potentially $4 million times 20, potentially. >> well -- >> oliver, i want you to put the $4 million in context. alex jones is a conspiracy entrepreneur, so how big a bite is $4 million out of the amount of money he's made over the past few years? >> $4 million is a lot of money obviously. >> yes. >> but it is a drop

and neil heslin, whose son jesse lewis, died in that attack that left 20 children and six educators dead. the austin, texas jury will now decide how much to award in punitive damages. the jury and the parkland school shooting trial traveled outside of the courtroom to the scene of the crime. right now, the jury is deciding whether or not nicholas cruz should be sentenced to death or life without parole for killing 17 people. the jury made up of five women and seven men walked the halls. of marjory stoneman douglas high school in florida. the jurors followed the path cruz took through the school. the building has been preserved as a crime scene since that shooting four years ago, jurors were told not to touch anything and their phones were taken from them before entering , according to reports they spent about an hour and a half there on campus. we are entering the heart of wildfire season, but will there be enough crews to battle the flames more on the shortage of federal firefighters coming up? and it's become a battle in most school districts how to get and retain teachers when they ca

>> i think for scarlett lewis and neil heslin this is sort of a moral victory.nt against him, but as they said in court, this is really a victory for truth and also a message sent to others who might, you know, be tempted to harm vulnerable people by spreading lies of this nature. >> so has this really -- is this really going to stop alex jones? as you've watched him even doing his show throughout the trial, what do you think? >> no. i mean, for someone like alex jones, as we know, there's really no bottom. he was on his show claiming victory, saying that this family loves him now and that their lawyers are using them as pawns. if anyone has used these families as pawns, it's been alex jones, who for ten years has fomented this lie that the shooting was a pretext for gun control planned by the government and that these families were complicit in the plot. he has -- he has been responsible for a lot of damage here and, you know, he's more symbolic, he's really emblematic of the spread of disinformation and false narratives over the past decade since sandy hook. h

neil heslin and scarlett lewis's six year old son was killed during that 2012 shooting.they say their pain was made even worse because of years of harassment from jones and death threats from his fans. i've never intentionally tried to hurt you. i never even said your name until this case. tend to court. the internet had a lot of questions. i had questions. we fix you. jones has since acknowledged the shooting was real. the family is seeking as much as $150 million in damages. today the senate passed the pact act, which expands medical care for veterans exposed to toxic burn pits in iraq and afghanistan and now heads to the president's desk for his signature. some veterans told fox's madeline rivera. today's vote is a victory. after protests and sit ins, the veterans who have been staged at the capital for days scored a win 86. the nays are 11. the motion is agreed to a bill that would extend medical coverage for veterans exposed to toxic burn pits past 86 to 11 in the senate bill puts us on a path to finally paying the cost. over war. its approval marks the largest expa

it's 100% real, neil heslin and scarlet lewis, who lost their six year old son, jesse, say their pain was made even worse because of the years of harassment from jones. they're seeking at least $150 million. jones the former info wars radio host, has already been found liable for defamation in other lawsuits in both texas and connecticut, helping kids with special needs get around more easily. how a nonprofit is supporting inclusion by modifying find toward cars. modifying find toward cars. for years, california's non-gaming tribes have been left in the dust. wealthy tribes with big casinos make billions, while small tribes struggle in poverty. prop 27 is a game changer. 27 taxes and regulates online sports betting to fund permanent solution to homelessness. while helping every tribe in california. so who's attacking prop 27? wealthy casino tribes who want all the money for themselves support small tribes, address homelessness. vote yes on 27. modify toy cars for children with cerebral policy. the nonprofit go, baby go is customizing store bought toy cars, all in an effort to help kid

scarlett lewis and neil heslin say they suffered harassment from alex jones' followers, saying that the shooting was for tougher gun laws. around the globe, if you can send a message to various media in the world not just alex jones, but to all of them saying you can't to this to private people and torment lies, that you know are lies, to fit an agenda. >> jones' lead attorney says at that state cap would limit the award to 1.5 million and he plans to appeal. >> his reaction was that, you know, he'd been found guilty before he ever had a chance to defend this case on the merits, that the, you know, the first amendment is undersiege and that he looks forward to continuing the fight, freedom of expression. >> one of the lawyers representing the sandy hook parents told the jury, quote, speech is free, lies you pay for. aishah. aishah: jonathan serrie, thank you for that update. griff: just a tiny fraction of migrants crossing our tiny border have been bused to cities like new york city by texas governor abbott. it's causing quite a stir in the big apple. an update ahead. age is just a numb

. >> reporter: jones went on to claim that's why he wasn't ordered to pay even more neil heslin and scarlett compensation, the jury's $4.1 million falling short of that number but still far more than the $8 offered by jones' attorney a dollar for each claim. >> it's really, really nice to be able to turn and look at my clients and say he can't get off scott-free for this. he can't. >> and this could be the beginning for legal problems, this is just one family suing. >> he's got other lawsuits that he's facing from the other families he also has two potential areas of real trouble from this case one of the potential a perjury charge for lying on the stand and the other the attorneys for the family said that he had been contacted by the january 6th committee, which is looking into jones' role in the rally and riot that happened at the capitol, they want those text messages that his attorney mistakenly turned over >> perjury is potentially a criminal charge. >> exactly. >> ann, thank you. >>> coming up, we'll take a bit of a turn here we have that breaking news yesterday, roughly around this ti

liable of inflicting emotional distress by repeatedly calling jesse's parents, scarlett lewis and neil heslined harassment, violence and even death threats as a result. >> i can't even describe the last 9 1/2 years of the living hell that i and others have had to endure. >> reporter: jesse's mother confronting jones in court. >> you keep saying it. why? why? for money? after the tragedy that claimed the lives of 20 innocent children and 6 staff, the infowars founder acknowledging the mass shooting happened. >> it was, especially since i met the parents, and it's 100% real. >> reporter: then there was this bombshell moment that stunned even jones himself. the revelation that his lawyers sent an entire digital copy of his cell phone to the other side. >> and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you didn't have the text messages about sandy hook. did you know that? >> this is your perry mason moment. >> you know what perjury is, right? >> reporter: now questions about whether jones could face criminal perjury charges and more potential fallout is looming. the family's attorney saying