welcome back to worlds apart because neil joseph oh they're over this story and the shield their revolution their real lives and marks. is a just of the last train to your book because i think it all present. on that you are a good job caring and. a mix and. i miss you a good doctor you can use this glorify me all nonviolence and peaceful largest while malcolm x. is an apologist for arms and. jogging from your book i guess it was a little bit more complicated than this. well yeah i think one of the things that i argue with malcolm in martin is that dr king has talked about radical black citizenship and malcolm x. is talking about radical black dignity and initially they are converging but over time they converge and they converge on this idea of human rights they converge on this idea of connecting radical dignity and citizenship together by dignity with malcolm x. men was an end to police brutality and to racial oppression where more of the gene jr met by citizenship was really both an end of racial segregation and jim crow oppression but he met more than just voting rights jane argues tha

. >> leading off our discussion tonight is professor neil joseph, the founding director of the center for the study of race and democracy at the university of texas, austin. and kristin clark, the executive director of the lawyers committee for civil rights under law. professor joseph, let me begin with you because i want us to consider with president kennedy on this very day in 1963 in what turned out to be the last year of his life addressing the issues that are before us today that the president of the united states failed to address in your state of texas today. it's an indication of how long we have been at this and how much ground we have not covered in the progress we wish we had made. >> absolutely, lawrence. i think it's a great comparison between what happened on june 11th, 1963 and today because i have argued and i have written before that that's president kennedy's finest moment. and i think as time proceeds, he's going to get more credit for that speech. but the revolution that he talked about in 1963 was similar to what we have experienced in the last two weeks. i'd say

. >> university of texas the neil joseph on his book the sword in the shield about activism and convergingideology and martin luther king jr. and the importance of the thinking on the fight for civil rights in america. q&a, sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. next to look at scams, profiteering during the pandemic. victims of disinformation campaigns and legislators discuss the challenges they are facing. hosted by george washington university institute for data, democracy and politics on tuesday. this is one hour and ten minutes. >> welcome to our continuing conversation about the big social media platform in response to the disinformation campaigns around the covid-19 pandemic, very serious situation where lives are literally in the balance. i'm the director of the george washington university school of public affairs

neil: it is indeed. hopefully, cooler, calmer, mature heads will prevail here. joseph esposito, thank you very much. maybe in the mix, bring in more military, guard men, more military types all together. hillary vaughn exploring that in washington, d.c. reporter: hi, neil. the military show of force is on display today. you can see police forming essentially a human barricade between protesters here and the white house, that is just half a block away. that's different than yesterday. because as you can see yesterday at the white house there is a black fence in front of it. that is where police, what police were behind yesterday. today, they're out in front. about half an hour ago we saw this line of law enforcement move back several feet towards the white house, making room for more protesters. as protests begin to start their ninth day of protests around the country, 74,000 national guard soldiers and airmen were activated for domestic operations. here in d.c., national guardsmen from 10 states, at least 3600 troops are here in d.c., supporting law enforcement to contain civil unrest but also protec