they are saying neil kinnock would have been a picnic compared to thejeremy corbyn regime, and yet inre corbyn regime, and yet in 1992 they were claiming everyone would leave the country. if they were saying as they did in 1992 it was the sun what w011 they did in 1992 it was the sun what won it, other papers as influential 110w won it, other papers as influential now as they were then? we will come back to that, because it is tied up with the debate. yes, they are influential, whether or not journalism is trusted as much as it used to be, whether it faces whole new challenges with social media, they are big questions that have come out of this election. rightly, the yorkshire post is saying we need to be thinking about that. and i wa nt to to be thinking about that. and i want to turn to the daily mirror, and much as you would have expected the front page of the sun to say what it does, you would expect mirror to say what it does. for them, vote labour. it highlights the nhs, tv licences, schools, poverty. they underscore the point we are making before, that the stakes are very, very

|j person who seemed to shine for me was neil kinnock's son! ou are not one of them? i am not planning to stand, no. stephen kinnock saying it can't be somebody who supported a second referendum. by who supported a second referendum. by his definition, you would be ruled out, clive lewis. are you considering it? i am thinking about it. why are you considering it? we will see when i stand. what can you offer? you have to reach out to both sides of the discussion on both sides of the discussion on both sides of the argument. we still have remainers and levers in the electorate. my seat was a 60—40 split and i came back so there is a message that you can still come back. i stood on what i believed in. looking at what happened, it will be different for different wings of the party. some will blame jeremy corbyn and some will blame the second referendum position. the reality is it isa referendum position. the reality is it is a more complex thing than that. under the first past the post syste m that. under the first past the post system it will alway

you, and i don't want to get too stuck on brexit but let me quote you the son of lord kinnock, neil kinnock in a time of crisis, his son stephen sits in the house of commons, he said the decision to back a second referendum rather than ultimately go with theresa may's deal, perhaps finesse it a little bit to ensure the customs union was very much a part of the deal, make it as labour—friendly as possible, but ultimately work with theresa may to get the deal over the line — he said the decision not to go with that but go for a second referendum was the worst political decision in the history of the labour party. this is exactly what i mean, by people who want in this aftermath to say that whatever it was they were advising way back, if only we listened to them, and i don't accept that. if the labour party had been ‘the‘ party viewed by the public as having delivered theresa may's deal, the idea that would have been electorally sensible politics for labour is utter fantasy so i'm afraid, stephen's a very old friend of mine, we're very old family friends, but i think this is a self—serving non

john major's of unexpected victory over neil kinnock in 1992 left him with a slender majority, whiche conservatives argued about europe. in 1997, tony blair led to a landslide win, ending 18 yea rs of led to a landslide win, ending 18 years of conservative dominance with a staggering 178 seat majority. new dawn has broken, has it not? blair's new labour was based on what he called a third way, a blend of free—market economics and social justice policies. he promised a country for the many, not the few. two more election victories followed for labour, 20012005, despite support falling after the iraq war stop gordon brown took over as prime minister and had to deal with the fallout from the financial crisis. a hung parliament, the first since the 70s, was the result of the 2010 election. david cameron, supported by nick clegg, in a conservative lib dem coalition which lasted five yea rs. dem coalition which lasted five years. it was a surprise to many when mr cameron won the election in 2015 with a modest majority. he stuck by the party's manifesto promise to hold an eu referendum. the

but also to have their sheer courage to do it, i was reminded when neil kinnock that this in the wakeo take on the left in his party. you are looking for someone who is pretty unique. people can grow into thejob, you can develop, but wow, it must be the ha rd est develop, but wow, it must be the hardestjob in politics, really. norman, thank you very much. so much to talk about, one of the things that we must not neglect as events in northern ireland. there are talks on their way to die in a hope of getting the power—sharing at stormont back under way. let's talk to our ireland correspondent, chris page, who is at stormont for us. nine the main parties... stormont back up and running, there have been no politicians, no ministers in office for almost three yea rs now ministers in office for almost three years now since the coalition collapse. there have been several rounds of talks over those four yea rs, rounds of talks over those four years, but none have produced a breakthrough. however, there are some sense at this time the dynamics may be slightly different. the parties have acknow

if we go back to neil kinnock, 1982, even then, 271.. well, they have done it again. you have to go back to 1935 to find was one. after the war, they then had some years as leaders. he made some progress in this election but we had to go back to 1985 and atley was a ca reta ker to go back to 1985 and atley was a caretaker leader. this is how bad this is for labour. this will stand out for years and years and years. let's bring it on here. this is a really, really. .. if let's bring it on here. this is a really, really... if we are... bring on that last one. 2019, 203. if that is where they are, it is almost the worst in a century. pretty much the worst in a century. pretty much the worst since the very start of the party. that is something to think about. i wa nt to that is something to think about. i want to force for a second to give full credit to someone who willjoin us now fault the third or fourth time during the night, sojohn curtis with his marvellous team of a nalyst curtis with his marvellous team of analyst because john, of c