invited to this hearing will be russell george, the inspector general and lois lerner and also neil roland the deputy treasury of the treasury. and the former irs commissioner will also be invited to testify at that hearing on wednesday of next week. they're going to announce that later this morning. that will join a long list of other congressional hearings, house, ways and means is expected to look into this, as well as over on the senate side, the permanent select committee on investigation. so now we have at least three committees here that will be digging into this irs hearing and what i am told about this oversight committee hearing is that aides will be looking into the question of where did this all begin?

russell george told neil roland about the investigation. that's their line right now. i talked to congressional republican, they will push this issue and they want to know about the i.g. report and the i.g. investigation. >> do you believe your treasury source? this is one of those stories, especially to the irs, everybody lies. i'm not willing to make that statement about the treasury, but a lot of people have not told the truth. >> that's exactly right, larry. no one on capitol hill seems to be buying what stephen hill said today. the deputy secretary won't. the secretary will have a lot of questions to answer when he comes to capitol hill next week. if the obama administration knew about potential corruption at the irs, and they did not talk, they will by a cuesed of playing politics. stephen miller today was defiant. >> very good, robert costa as always, time for your wrap-up. >>> our next guest chief deputy peter roscum of illinois had heated exchanges. here's one example. please listen. >> what day did the conversation take place? >>

invited to this hearing will be russell george, the inspector general and lois lerner and also neil rolandommissioner will also be invited to testify at that hearing on wednesday of next week. they're going to announce that later this morning. that will join a long list of other congressional hearings, house, ways and means is expected to look into this, as well as over on the senate side, the permanent select committee on investigation. so now we have at least three committees here that will be digging into this irs hearing and what i am told about this oversight committee hearing is that aides will be looking into the question of where did this all begin? it was one of the questions that wasn't necessarily answered in the report from the inspector general last night. why was this effort politicized very early on and focused director on tea party groups and groups with a bend to them. where was that decision made? who made that decision? that will be one of the things that they'll try to get to the bottom of in this hearing next wednesday, carl? >> okay. thank you very much, eamon. >> we

roland not the fox situation but the irs situation. i went back after -- >> the conversation we had was that ryan himself suggested that neil knew what itut i reread the transcript. the question is how much roland knew. and i think the answer is he may have known there was an audit, but i don't think he knew the extent of it. >> clearly he said he was briefed that this investigation was going on. as were other people in the treasury. they were not told any of the details. they did not know the targets. they don't tell. >> you they could have put two and two together. >> they could have. but arguing that he misled congress is a big step to take, you know, for someone to allege that. when it's clear he said we knew about this. we were briefed on it. we didn't know the irs was allegedly targeting conservative groups. that's been consistent with what he said. >> when we return, i have a special recipe for mutton that involves fox, rat meat. >> you're not joking? >> no. this is one of the ways they make mutton. and they can make honey with no pollen in it whatsoever. breaking economic data at 8:00 a.m. 340,000 this week. first quarter gdp ex